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Old 02-25-2014, 05:24 PM   #51 (permalink)
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but I like his strategy in this thread. As an SEO, this is linkbait as its finest. I do this same thing daily.

This thread should serve as a case study for others interested in how to get high quality backlinks using content and content marketing.
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Actually dear chap - could I ask one thing more please? When did you speak with him?
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I am new here so dont really know who Jon is, but I like his strategy in this thread. As an SEO, this is linkbait as its finest. I do this same thing daily.

Come up with an epic story (In Jon's case and epic inside lead), create the full story and have it ready to go live. In the meantime, shop exclusivity around to top sites/news outlets. Giving some one exclusives is a great way to appeal to their ego.

They run story. You post the full story on your (client's) site. Boom, every one is a winner. This thread should serve as a case study for others interested in how to get high quality backlinks using content and content marketing.
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Wfexclusive Raw chat log on irc..

My full unedited conversation with Mark...

I removed the channel name and my IP info along with the person who created the channel that does not want to be on record for this.

This conversation took place on 02-25-2014 at 10:39am EST.

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[10:39] == JonWickedFire [IP REDACTED] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:40] == mode/CHANNELNAME
[10:47] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Hey Mark.
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Thanks for coming in.. I know you're a bit.. shaken up and stressed..
[10:51] <MagicalTux> hi
[10:51] <JonWickedFire> Are you doing okay?
[10:52] <MagicalTux> more or less
[10:52] <MagicalTux> it's 1am and tomorrow morning first time I have a lawyer appointment
[10:52] <MagicalTux> things couldn't be better
[10:52] <MagicalTux> (well, not tomorrow but today, now)
[10:53] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, you're in the future over there in Japan, lol.
[10:53] <MagicalTux> guys in NZ are even more in the future
[10:54] <JonWickedFire> Yeah two places I've wanted to visit but cringe at the flight time alone.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> So I just wanted to talk to you on here, no pressure, you don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I'm not a journalist.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> We've chatted before briefly. So you know a lil something on me.
[10:56] <MagicalTux> yep
[10:56] <JonWickedFire> And with all of what happened yesterday, even though I knew all of that, I didn't let me contacts at FOX Business publish it, because I didn't want to see bitcoin or gox going up in flames if it could be salvaged.
[10:57] <JonWickedFire> Obviously holding that info back and not publishing a tumblr or leaking docs first allowed someone else to stake a claim on it first.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> But you win some you lose some.. and honestly, I'm not a fan of people posting things that are rumors or bullshit or not verified just because it damages the shit out of someone or a company... and it really cannot be taken back afterwards.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> Is that Crisis Strategy Draft even legit?
[11:04] <MagicalTux> more or less
[11:05] <MagicalTux> as the name suggests it's a draft, and it's a bunch of proposals to deal with the issue at hand, not things that are actually planned and/or done
[11:06] <MagicalTux> this said this document was not produced by MtGox
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I saw some strategies in there that I had shared with you, but also saw some things in there that I would have never suggested anyone ever go through with as it would make you look horrible..
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I think a lot of people ignored the draft part.
[11:08] <JonWickedFire> It was just really surprising to see that being "leaked"..
[11:10] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general?
[11:13] <MagicalTux> [01:09:51] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general? <- I have some doubts
[11:14] <JonWickedFire> Heh, I bet.
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> Are you stepping down as CEO and away from gox too?
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> (If you can't legally disclose, then just say so)
[11:20] <MagicalTux> can't disclose that yety
[11:20] <MagicalTux> yet
[11:20] <JonWickedFire> K np.
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> The reason I'm asking is because after yesterday's events of you removing yourself from the foundation and deleting the Twitter account/posts and all.. right away speculation within the bitcoin arena went into hyper chaotic mode, and the word on the street was that you were closing up shop and running away with all of their monies and bitcoin...
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> How does that make you feel to hear or see people you bailed out yourself and stood up for over the years, turn on you like that?
[11:22] <MagicalTux> not good
[11:24] <JonWickedFire> Mark, I know you're not one for expressing yourself, but here's your chance at it, because you really have stepped up before, and done things NO ONE else ever had.. or probably will again.. and it seems like all of it has been quickly forgotten and instead you're being labeled as the Madoff of bitcoin.
[11:25] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right?
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> Look Mark, you took mtgox and ran with it, built on it, stuck with it and took it to a level no one ever thought possible. When other exchanges were crippled, you stepped in and bailed them out or absorbed them to save the bitcoin market in general. In exchange it brought you a massive surge of customers and press that made you look like the hero of the day and then some.
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> But what most people forget too was that you weren't set up to handle this from the start..
[11:35] <MagicalTux> [01:25:02] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right? <- at home, with my cat being a pain sleeping on the keyboard
[11:35] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, doesn't sound like someone on the run with bags of money...
[11:37] <JonWickedFire> What's the plan now for you and mtgox?
[11:37] <MagicalTux> can't comment on that yet
[11:37] <JonWickedFire> Alright.
[11:37] <MagicalTux> (mostly because doing so could compromise our current efforts)
[11:38] <MagicalTux> imgur: the simple image sharer <- my cat pushing my keyboard, me pushing the keyboard back on the desk
[11:38] <JonWickedFire> So you guys are still actively trying to save it though?
[11:38] <MagicalTux> We haven't given up
[11:40] <JonWickedFire> You could have given up and walked away a bunch of times previously, but you always stuck it out... even though others have closed up and walked away, why have you continued to fight and work at it and not give up?
[11:41] <MagicalTux> "Giving up" is not part of how I usually do things
[11:42] <JonWickedFire> Do you want to tell your side of this a bit more?
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> Like what you've sacrificed or given up, personally? I have to imagine it's taken quite a toll on you.
[11:43] <MagicalTux> well, first I would guess is my health
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> What do you mean?
[11:44] <MagicalTux> took on more than 30kg since handling MtGox
[11:44] <MagicalTux> (compensating for stress by eating)
[11:47] <JonWickedFire> I'm guessing stress from lack of sleep too, like now..
[11:48] <MagicalTux> heh
[11:48] <MagicalTux> and drinking liters of coca cola
[11:48] <MagicalTux> how american
[11:48] <MagicalTux> (almost american, actually, since some people see coca cola as being non-american)
[11:52] <JonWickedFire> lol
[11:54] <MagicalTux> anyway
[11:54] <MagicalTux> I should try to get some sleep
[11:55] <MagicalTux> already 2am
[11:55] <MagicalTux> waking up in 4 hours
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> Err
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> One more thing..
[11:55] <MagicalTux> and starting to be tired of pushing my keyboard so it stays on the desk
[11:56] <JonWickedFire> Do you still believe in the viability of an unregulated digital currency like bitcoin tho?
[11:57] <MagicalTux> difficult
[11:57] <MagicalTux> tbqh the pressure we got from banks and governments makes things very hard
[11:58] <JonWickedFire> Do you think if it were regulated it would make it easier to work things out?
[11:58] <MagicalTux> partially
[11:58] <JonWickedFire> How so?
[11:59] <MagicalTux> well, first avoid being blocked by banks and governments around the world
[11:59] <MagicalTux> if regulated, it means that as long as you follow the regulations you're fine
[12:00] <JonWickedFire> The biggest question people really have asked though is are you personally vested in mtgox with your own btc?
[12:01] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events?
[12:01] <MagicalTux> [02:00:59] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events? <- any BTC I own personally were on MtGox
[12:02] <JonWickedFire> How much did you lose yourself?
[12:04] <MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable
[12:05] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux]
[12:05] == realname : Mark Karpeles
[12:05] == channels : CHANNELNAME
[12:05] == server : calvino.freenode.net [Milan, IT]
[12:05] == account : magicaltux
[12:05] == End of WHOIS
[12:05] <JonWickedFire> Well, how much is unavail for you?
[12:06] <MagicalTux> I'm not even sure
[12:06] <JonWickedFire> Guys on Reddit and WickedFire are running around posting screenshots of horror stories about how much bitcoin they have lost from this..
[12:06] <MagicalTux> didn't check my wallet before pushing the site offline
[12:07] <MagicalTux> anyway
[12:07] <MagicalTux> maybe I should go to sleep now
[12:07] <JonWickedFire> Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] <MagicalTux> not really
[12:09] <MagicalTux> maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
[12:09] <MagicalTux> well, we'll see how this one goes anyway
[12:16] <JonWickedFire> Well, I'd like to chat more, but I know you're pushing to go to sleep.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> And so long as you are saying you're not disappearing from this.. that's okay.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> I still think you should say something more to all these people or at least reveal how much you've taken a hit for, personally..
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> It would show them that you are still on their side.
[12:19] <JonWickedFire> By the way, that whole removal from the foundation, did you decide to leave that before or after the chats with them to help save gox versus let it fail?
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So he is not in hiding... is that all or am I missing something?

I mean, yeah, he said he lost money of his own, however did not say how much. 0.01 BTC vs 1000 BTC would make that part relevant, but as it stands, all I got from it is; he isn't hiding in a cave, only his apartment.
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So to confirm now....

Mark said your bitcoin isn't lost... but it's not there.. nor do they know where it is... Nothing is. They should have come out and said that from the start. But they didn't.

I tried to get other answers from him, but like I've said, he's a tough guy to chat with...
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Thanks Jon.

If i understood that means

- the draft is legit (but not official)

The coins ARE gone, their cold storage is harmed and gox complete insovency and they did not handled that legally (because even the draft is official or not, its not a fake. They did not added such a point without its ture).

Ok, i removed the "coins are stolen"...

The draft is clear - coins are lost. Official or not, the draft is very clear there, its the core of it.
And "we have no idea where the coins are".

Coins are there or not. And when they are not "there" then you don't have them.
Thats the nature of bitcoins??

If the coins are not in their wallets then they lost them.
You can't get them back normally.
When this is really going on over a long time you can complete forget it.

He is just blurring the fact the coins are gone.
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Wait I am supposed to have sympathy for him?

Nope.

But I do have pity for him. His life is going to be a living hell from now on.

For a very long time.

(Note: Did have 1.5 bitcoins in mtgox account which I assume is now gone. But that's life, and I didn't think I was investing in fucking government bonds or anything safe)
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Jon, you said in the OP that you didn't own any bitcoin... now after talking to Mark did you change your mind and decide to buy some BTC or no?
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Wow. I feel kind of bad for the guy, but the one problem that keeps showing up is that he should have got more and better help to help him run the exchange.

How could the transaction problem have gone on for YEARS? Do they have no accounting system?

Did he say he was going to talk with a lawyer for the FIRST TIME tomorrow morning?

The statement on the website right now makes almost no sense.

Why would you confirm a document that is just a draft and says your company lost 400+ million dollars before talking to a lawyer?

He should have been paying for good programmers, accountants, lawyers, etc...

This is so crazy, wow.
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Nope.
Not even a little bit?
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Not gonna lie... I'm kind of shocked.

It sounds like Mt.Gox was being run like a 5 year old's lemonade stand.
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Wow. I feel kind of bad for the guy, but the one problem that keeps showing up is that he should have got more and better help to help him run the exchange.

How could the transaction problem have gone on for YEARS? Do they have no accounting system?

Did he say he was going to talk with a lawyer for the FIRST TIME tomorrow morning?

The statement on the website right now makes almost no sense.

Why would you confirm a document that is just a draft and says your company lost 400+ million dollars before talking to a lawyer?

He should have been paying for good programmers, accountants, lawyers, etc...

This is so crazy, wow.
Keep in mind that mtgox was originally designed for trading magic the gathering cards, running a neighborhood card shop and an international exchange are 2 very different businesses and they just weren't ready for it.
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lol. Coins aren't lost, but we don't have them and don't know where they are. Sure sound lost to me.
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Thanks Jon for posting this discussion with Mark. It seems MT Gox was actually run like a hobby business and not like a real business which is in my opinion the responsibility of the Bitcoin Foundation.

Also is there actually any entity right now independently auditing Btc actors?
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Internet Chat Reveals Mt. Gox CEO Hasn't 'Given Up' | Fox Business

Glad this turned into a thread that provided some useful info. Kudos Jon.

Also, please tell me this Kathryn Glass character owes you a favor for this story.
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Nicely sourced scoop Jon - with the connections we talked about a couple years ago it makes sense that you could get in touch with this guy
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Fox??

Story?

Its not really even a story its a "could have been a story" story if the subject hadn't wanted to get rid of his cat or wanted to go to bed.

With all these odd threads I think Jon has blown a fuse or something.
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How on earth this guy ever thought he could run a business with that much money flowing through it is beyond me. Meeting with lawyers for the first time? I`m absolutely stunned by that statement.

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Anyway, thanks for posting this Jon (and thanks for trying to get more out of him, even though he wasn`t saying much).
That part jumped out at me as well. He has lost hundreds of millions for customers and is just meeting with lawyers? LOLWUT?! Does he still think he is dealing in Magic the Gathering cards or something? Reading the threads on bitcointalk makes my stomach ache. There a number of people who literally went from multi-millionaires to broke in an instant and this guy is worried about his cat and getting a little beauty sleep.
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The funds are there, just "not there" and "temporarily unavailable".

Hmmm... he should have used the "funds are in motion" line like Chris Mallick from ePassporte did. That line bought him a good 6 weeks before everyone realized they were getting fucked out of their money.

"temporarily unavailable" just doesn't have the right ring to it. The "funds are in motion" line on the other hand is quite catchy!
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Glad this turned into a thread that provided some useful info. Kudos Jon.

Also, please tell me this Kathryn Glass character owes you a favor for this story.
Oh, now it's all good and I'm not an egomaniac, so you think it works like that... no.. You'll have to kiss your own ass a bit more before I take anything you say seriously again. Prick.
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Never had any cash in mtgox but fingers crossed this doesn't affect negatively my $xxx,xxx in cryptos too much

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Not sure this was already posted, but its a good read.

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