ubaidabcd

I'm wondering if I should start purchasing more tools and software to help with internet marketing. It's just that those sales copies are so hyped up, it makes me skeptical.

I think the only software I've bought is Keyword Elite, which worked well. recently they changed up some stuff which is making it difficult.

Most of these programs do offer refunds so that's good.

How many of you think these tools are necessary? some examples: Niche Inspector, Nichebot, Keyword Analyzer, traffic equalizer.

The reason I need software is since I would like concrete research if a niche and keywords are going to be profitable before I start investing into landing pages, articles, etc..

Thanks

beejeebers

90% of IM Software is shit and not needed to succeed. They prey on your laziness in seeking the shortcut or easy way to riches beyond your wildest dream. Don't fall for it.

Put your head down and work, EVERY DAY and you will succeed. If you find some software that speeds up your work, (allowing you to do more), then buy it. But concrete research before jumping in is just an excuse.

Want to find out if a niche is good or not? Test it. You don't need software for that and if all those niche finders are so great, why isn't everyone succeeding? I mean all they have to do is by the software right? Bah.

ubaidabcd

I'm not trying to say that if you just purchase the software it will make you succeed.

That's what I want to do is test the niche, but there are so many variables. I just need some research beforehand. Example: Google wants your landing pages, display ads, keywords targetted. If I can find some software that will let me research the numbers beforehand then I can start working on the next step.

I need to know which keywords will be profitable before I invest into those landing pages, domains, articles, waste time on those keywords. etc..etc..

Are these numbers I need to figure out on my own?

illkity

Like many others before have said.... JUST FUCKING DO IT!

Seriously stop buying and start doing. Who cares if you fail a couple times. You will learn more than any tool you could buy will teach you. Also please figure out if you are doing PPC or SEO. They are different and require different tactics. With each post you make it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing.

Sorry to be so harsh. But just pick a smalll project, make a todo list and JUST FUCKING DO IT!

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ubaidabcd

I have been "FUCKING DOING IT" for 6 months. I'm starting to see that with my method of "just see what sticks", isn't working that well. So, I need to research my numbers before I start a campaign. There are a million affiliate offers out there if I was to go with "FUCKING JUST DO IT" just going in blindly without any concrete numbers, I'm going to end up losing too much money. I want my research done so I can invest in all my landing pages and articles on what's going to succeed.

This isn't a fucking casino, I want to have my research done before I start investing into my campaigns.

P.S.

I'm working on PPC.

P.P.S.

I've only bought one software since I started, I'm starting to look into more to help me out. Due to the research that I would like.

P.P.P.S.

I'm not failing, I'm trying to improve at what I'm doing using logic instead of your gambling technique of, "JUST FUCKING DO IT". Which is a technique that I use, but like I said it's a waste of time and energy for the number of times you try this method. What's wrong with spending some time to do some research before you start your campaigns?

illkity

Whatever dude. There are plenty of threads here that tell you exactly what to do. Good luck with the excuses though...

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ubaidabcd

Do you have any links to these threads?

ubaidabcd

I'm not making any excuses.

Is there anybody that can't understand what I'm saying?

I just want to properly research a niche beforehand to see if it'll be profitable before I get into it? Is that too much to ask?

If really you all believe there's no other way then I'll continue with what I'm doing.

I use seobook.com with their tool to see how many searches a keyword gets per month. I'm just looking for something more indepth.

I have been suggested a couple softwares by a trusting member here, in a similiar post I made, so I guess I should just wait and to hear from more people like them instead of arguing with losers that think they know everything.

ubaidabcd

ok sorry, i shoulda mentioned i'm kinda drunk.

sorry i'll take a reread over this thread when i'm sober.

sorry if you tried to really help and i got stupid.

apologies.

ScottDaMan

#1 tool: Wordpress - Its free.

Wordpress does a lot of amazing things like trackbacks, pings, and encourages other blogs and sites to link to you.

I'm not saying use Wordpress blogs everywhere you run a site, but a solid network of blogs in any niche will do fucking wonders. And its free.

But nevermind all this, go spent your thousands on tools that might work.

I'm telling you what DOES work. Problem? Yeah, you need to hire content writers and shit if you don't want to make your own posts all the time.

Contrary to popular belief, Wordpress doesnt make a site popular, the constant freshness blog software promotes is what makes a site do well. That and most Wordpress themes come preoptimized for SEO.

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illkity

I wasn't going to reply again but I really think you might be trying. The problem is you've been around here for almost a year and you sound clueless. No offense, but that's how it appears from here. Have you followed all the advice you got in this thread? It seems like you are going in circles. I think you have all the info you need. You just need to put it together for yourself.

What could I be doing wrong?

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ubaidabcd

Thanks for the quality post, recently what I've been doing is getting articles written and downloading a free "web template" that looks like a "blog-style" and pasting my article on there since I don't have anything beyond basic html skills.

I'm only promoting with PPC at this time, but now, that I know that wordpress is SEO optimized, I can now use them to SEO my site at the same time correct? I know there are content writers that will update your blog for you automatically I'll speak to them ASAP.

Thanks!

ubaidabcd

I know I have been here for a while, and I'm doing much better since I got here, than what I tell everybody. I'm not the kind of person to brag about my success. I'm a pessimist. I'm always trying to get better. I'll never give my self respect unless I'm satisfied enough to retire. I'll always treat my knowledge like a 2 year old until I figure this out 100&#37;. I'm sure this thread will make more sense when I'm sober.

I guess I just need to realize if I keep asking the same dumb questions and get treated like an idiot, just need to accept it and not argue it.

That thread "what could I be doing wrong" that I created is why I created this post, people said you need to change your ways if the same technique isn't working. They said only the insane keep doing the same thing expecting the same results - (regarding my "see what sticks method") so that's why I thought that I need to change my ways.

What I thought was to research my niches and keywords before I start my campaigns. That's why I've recently started creating these threads asking which tools and software can help me with this.

Lucidity

Some advice I've heard that makes the most sense to me is to start out with doing your niche / keyword research manually with existing free tools. Then once you find a system that works well, build your own custom tool that streamlines your methodology.

Perhaps it goes without saying, but do keep in mind that preliminary market research can at best only indicate potential. There's always a shitton of other variables not reflected in the numbers that can make or break actual performance. This is true for any business endeavor. Still, doing research first is far more sensible than putting a list of niches on your wall and throwing darts at them.

ubaidabcd

Thanks, I'm glad somebody understands what I'm trying to say.

This is what I'm trying to find out how to do. Most of the free tools suck. fucking seobook.com has a good tool but it works only half the time. It's better than nothing, dont' get me wrong, I use that tool all the time, at least try to when it's working.

Just trying to find something else that is more reliable, I know the numbers are not going to be exact, but an estimate is enough.

webninja

AMEN! Very well put beejeebers.

To the OP: Sounds like you don't know how to do basic research, or perhaps you just miss the good stuff? Here is what I do. Besides using google and regularly reading my favorite blogs I read forums like WF nearly every day.

There will always be a ton of noise but every now and then I will come across some very valuable info. Every time I find something really good I either save the html file, or paste the best parts into a plain text file, and give it a very descriptive name. I have a whole docs dir neatly categorized into hundreds of categories (started doing this some 15 years ago). That way finding quality info for future projects is quick and efficient:

find ~docs/comp/www/niches -type -f -name "*research*"

For example not too long ago I came across a thread here on WF which was exactly about what you are asking for now. There were two posts that were very good, so I pasted them into a text file and now found it for you:


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I also analyze my competition for a given keyword like this:

1) Do a regular search on keyword and take note of the number of results. Less
than 5 mill. results is good, 5-10 mill. is decent. 10+ million can be
quite competitive.

2) Do another search on the same keyword, but this time with allinurl:keyword
Take note of how many results you get this time. I consider less than 3k
very good, and more than 10k very competitive.

3) Do a third search, this time with
allintitle:keyword
Take note of the number of results. Less than 70k is good, more than 100k
is competitive.

Of course, don't take my numbers here 100% literally as you should do some
testing for yourself in the niche and play around with different long-tail
and short-tail versions of the word. This will however give you indication
on what sort of competition you are facing for that keyword.

source: imagesAndWords (post on wickedfire.com)

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Doing your keyword research before even starting your site is a big aspect
for me, I sometimes take a week of work before deciding on creating the site,
this is because I spend the time to search and find those new niche areas
which are starting to bring in traffic but haven't peaked yet, this means
low competition and with a few creative link building strategies you can
score #1 and stay there before the bigger traffic surges come, here are a
few steps that you can do.

1) Think of a niche that has the potential to become hugely popular or at
least be popular enough to earn you some cash, think of one which will last
a longer period of time, I usually stay away for short term sites, when I
build a site I like to build it for the long term.

3) Once you find a niche think of the broadest keyword for that niche and
use keyword tools to help you find related keywords, build up a list of
keywords starting from the most popular (One that brings in the most amount
of traffic so far), write that down, then find 9 other keywords which bring
in less traffic then the main keyword. Another good tip to keep in mind here
is to try and have the main keyword name inside of the lesser keyword names,
so for instance if my main keyword is Cars then my lesser keywords in the
list should be something like Car Audio ect...

4) After that go to Google and Yahoo site explorer, two tabs in firefox is the
best, now start on your keyword list type in the first keyword into google,
so if my first keyword was cars I'd type that in and take a quick note of
how many results it returned, if the results are under 5 million then that is
good, as stated above over 10 million can get quite competitive, next take a
quick note of how many domains there are in the list, I'm not talking about
sites I'm talking about domains, to explain this better a domain in this term
would be "Buy New & Used Cars, Research Prices, Sell My Car, Find Auto Dealers"
[link to cars.com front page] and pages will be www.cars.com/caraudio.html the
more pages there are on the first page the better because this means the less
domains there are ranking for that term, everyone knows "Buy New & Used Cars,
Research Prices, Sell My Car, Find Auto Dealers" will be much harder to beat
then www.cars.com/caraudio.html

5) Now for each 10 sites in the search result type those into Yahoo's site
explorer and keep note of the amount of backlinks each site has, do this for
every single keyword in your list, once you get the backlink numbers for say
10 domains for your first keyword divide that by the number of sites you found
backlinks for so an example would be if I found out the number of backlinks
for 10 sites I'd add all those up and divide by 10, that way I can get a rough
idea of the amount of backlinks will be required for me to rank in the top 10.

6) Now go back to Google and for each keyword type in allintitle: Keyword
and allinurl: keyword this will give you how many sites have that keyword in
the title tags and in the url tags, you'll recieve extra points for having
that term in your title tag and in your URL so make sure its there if this
is your main keyword.

7) If the main keyword is fairly competitive don't start trying to rank for it
right away, first rank for a couple lower end keywords then build backlinks
for the main term, this will very your sites anchor text in the backlinks
and it will help you get into a better position for the main keyword take over.

8) Repeat over and over until you find a niche with the lowest competition and
the highest search volume, some will tell you none exsist but tell them they
are stupid and don't listen to them the internet evolves extremely quickly
and new niche markets are created every time something in life happens,
a new movies comes out, a new product is released, the apple Iphone hits
the market, ect..

9) Don't ask me how I do this because I've been doing this for so long it
just comes naturally to me now and I can do it very very quickly.

10) I hope all this crap makes sense to someone other then myself.

source: Aequitas (post on wickedfire.com)
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sampunk

I did the same, but i use Google desktop for search, it is more powerful than MS windows' search

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sampunk

Springer, would you mind explaining how that facebook application works? I am kind of lost. Thanks

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Uh, no... I have no idea, but I suppose you could go to the post and ask the original poster.

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illkity

That's just not true.

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ashleybaker

Some keyword tools are quite handy i think. (keyword expert is what i use, i believe the free trial is at Keyword Expert - Reviews and free Keyword Expert downloads at Download.com )

ubaidabcd

Can somebody recommend some free tools to search keyword statistics? besides that overture tool and the seobook.com keyword search tool

Also What numbers should I be looking for to see if a particular keyword or niche will be profitable?

I downloaded that software above and seems it could work, I see categories such as:

Google searches, Google Results, Google Ads, Google Results/Searches (?).

I should look for keywords with high searches and low google results correct?

What about all that KEI and R/S, I've read articles on them that it's all over the place and too many variable and aren't concrete numbers.

What are the important numbers I should be looking for?

Thanks for everybodys help.

springer

Y'know... when it comes right down to it, there is no one single best anything. If everyone liked the same thing, there'd only be one.

Tell ya what, why don't you pick out a couple niches you think you might like to work in. Then pick out one keyword tool. Any keyword tool, free or paid, just pick one.

Make a keyword list and look for what gets searched for a lot and what the SERPs look like. Then, look at some of the top listed sites. See what they're doing and decide if you can compete. If you can, jump in. If you can't, pick another word, term or niche.

Make your site and see what happens. If it works, rinse and repeat. If it doesn't quit it and move on. That's how I do it and, I'd wager, a lot of others here do too.

In some niches 10,000,000 results is not much competition because the listed sites are so fucked anyones grandma could make a site that can float to the top. In other niches 1 or 2 results is too much competition.

We've been on this topic for a couple days now and I don't believe you're any closer to a decision than when the thread began. It's time to shit or get off the pot.

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smaxor

seriously if you plan on being in the this business get a keyword tool subscription. It's well worth it. Just makes life easier. Sure you can spend a bunch of time writing one or try an use the free ones but usually you're going to be hindered if you need large effective lists. For example I was throwing together a campaign today on PPC and wanted a keyword list so I went to my service I use and pulled 8500 very good words in only a minute. Now keep in mind I'm the guy that says write your own apps.... this is very true however when it comes to data collection and management I think paid keyword tools are the way to go. Not saying don't collect your own data but keyword tools are a great place to start.

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ubaidabcd

I have keyword elite to create keywords, but it doesn't seem to work well with statistics, on how many searches a keyword is getting, search engine listings, r/s, kei, etc.. I always get, "n/a", I guess I'll just try every program out there for a week or 2 and if I dont' like it just get a refund. I've been thinking of wordze.com. Hell like I said just try all of them and find the program I like.

[quote]Make a keyword list and look for what gets searched for a lot and what the SERPs look like. Then, look at some of the top listed sites. See what they're doing and decide if you can compete. If you can, jump in. If you can't, pick another word, term or niche.[quote]

I made a note to work on that tomorrow, I'll see what the competitors are doing based on those keyword stats and see if I can compete.

I suppose if it was that simple to get the required concrete keyword research beforehand, then everybody would be making money. I should be able to have a program that I can type in: "I want this software to find a keyword that gets a 1,000,000 search a month", " with 0 competitors".

ubaidabcd

If you don't mind me asking, what subscription do you use? I have keyword elite, but looking to something webased such as wordze.