How important is it to have all these tools and software for IM? - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 12:18 AM

I'm wondering if I should start purchasing more tools and software to help with internet marketing. It's just that those sales copies are so hyped up, it makes me skeptical.

I think the only software I've bought is Keyword Elite, which worked well. recently they changed up some stuff which is making it difficult.

Most of these programs do offer refunds so that's good.

How many of you think these tools are necessary? some examples: Niche Inspector, Nichebot, Keyword Analyzer, traffic equalizer.

The reason I need software is since I would like concrete research if a niche and keywords are going to be profitable before I start investing into landing pages, articles, etc..

Thanks

beejeebers · 10-03-2007, 12:29 AM

90% of IM Software is shit and not needed to succeed. They prey on your laziness in seeking the shortcut or easy way to riches beyond your wildest dream. Don't fall for it.

Put your head down and work, EVERY DAY and you will succeed. If you find some software that speeds up your work, (allowing you to do more), then buy it. But concrete research before jumping in is just an excuse.

Want to find out if a niche is good or not? Test it. You don't need software for that and if all those niche finders are so great, why isn't everyone succeeding? I mean all they have to do is by the software right? Bah.

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by beejeebers

90% of IM Software is shit and not needed to succeed. They prey on your laziness in seeking the shortcut or easy way to riches beyond your wildest dream. Don't fall for it.

Put your head down and work, EVERY DAY and you will succeed. If you find some software that speeds up your work, (allowing you to do more), then buy it. But concrete research before jumping in is just an excuse.

Want to find out if a niche is good or not? Test it. You don't need software for that and if all those niche finders are so great, why isn't everyone succeeding? I mean all they have to do is by the software right? Bah.

I'm not trying to say that if you just purchase the software it will make you succeed.

That's what I want to do is test the niche, but there are so many variables. I just need some research beforehand. Example: Google wants your landing pages, display ads, keywords targetted. If I can find some software that will let me research the numbers beforehand then I can start working on the next step.

I need to know which keywords will be profitable before I invest into those landing pages, domains, articles, waste time on those keywords. etc..etc..

Are these numbers I need to figure out on my own?

illkity · 10-03-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ubaidabcd

I'm not trying to say that if you just purchase the software it will make you succeed.

That's what I want to do is test the niche, but there are so many variables. I just need some research beforehand. Example: Google wants your landing pages, display ads, keywords targetted. If I can find some software that will let me research the numbers beforehand then I can start working on the next step.

I need to know which keywords will be profitable before I invest into those landing pages, domains, articles, waste time on those keywords. etc..etc..

Are these numbers I need to figure out on my own?

Like many others before have said.... JUST FUCKING DO IT!

Seriously stop buying and start doing. Who cares if you fail a couple times. You will learn more than any tool you could buy will teach you. Also please figure out if you are doing PPC or SEO. They are different and require different tactics. With each post you make it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing.

Sorry to be so harsh. But just pick a smalll project, make a todo list and JUST FUCKING DO IT!

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by illkity

Like many others before have said.... JUST FUCKING DO IT!

Seriously stop buying and start doing. Who cares if you fail a couple times. You will learn more than any tool you could buy will teach you. Also please figure out if you are doing PPC or SEO. They are different and require different tactics. With each post you make it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing.

Sorry to be so harsh. But just pick a smalll project, make a todo list and JUST FUCKING DO IT!

I have been "FUCKING DOING IT" for 6 months. I'm starting to see that with my method of "just see what sticks", isn't working that well. So, I need to research my numbers before I start a campaign. There are a million affiliate offers out there if I was to go with "FUCKING JUST DO IT" just going in blindly without any concrete numbers, I'm going to end up losing too much money. I want my research done so I can invest in all my landing pages and articles on what's going to succeed.

This isn't a fucking casino, I want to have my research done before I start investing into my campaigns.

P.S.

I'm working on PPC.

P.P.S.

I've only bought one software since I started, I'm starting to look into more to help me out. Due to the research that I would like.

P.P.P.S.

I'm not failing, I'm trying to improve at what I'm doing using logic instead of your gambling technique of, "JUST FUCKING DO IT". Which is a technique that I use, but like I said it's a waste of time and energy for the number of times you try this method. What's wrong with spending some time to do some research before you start your campaigns?

illkity · 10-03-2007, 03:48 AM

Whatever dude. There are plenty of threads here that tell you exactly what to do. Good luck with the excuses though...

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by illkity

Whatever dude. There are plenty of threads here that tell you exactly what to do. Good luck with the excuses though...

Do you have any links to these threads?

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 04:03 AM

I'm not making any excuses.

Is there anybody that can't understand what I'm saying?

I just want to properly research a niche beforehand to see if it'll be profitable before I get into it? Is that too much to ask?

If really you all believe there's no other way then I'll continue with what I'm doing.

I use seobook.com with their tool to see how many searches a keyword gets per month. I'm just looking for something more indepth.

I have been suggested a couple softwares by a trusting member here, in a similiar post I made, so I guess I should just wait and to hear from more people like them instead of arguing with losers that think they know everything.

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 04:13 AM

ok sorry, i shoulda mentioned i'm kinda drunk.

sorry i'll take a reread over this thread when i'm sober.

sorry if you tried to really help and i got stupid.

apologies.

ScottDaMan · 10-03-2007, 04:20 AM

#1 tool: Wordpress - Its free.

Wordpress does a lot of amazing things like trackbacks, pings, and encourages other blogs and sites to link to you.

I'm not saying use Wordpress blogs everywhere you run a site, but a solid network of blogs in any niche will do fucking wonders. And its free.

But nevermind all this, go spent your thousands on tools that might work.

I'm telling you what DOES work. Problem? Yeah, you need to hire content writers and shit if you don't want to make your own posts all the time.

Contrary to popular belief, Wordpress doesnt make a site popular, the constant freshness blog software promotes is what makes a site do well. That and most Wordpress themes come preoptimized for SEO.

illkity · 10-03-2007, 04:23 AM

I wasn't going to reply again but I really think you might be trying. The problem is you've been around here for almost a year and you sound clueless. No offense, but that's how it appears from here. Have you followed all the advice you got in this thread? It seems like you are going in circles. I think you have all the info you need. You just need to put it together for yourself.

What could I be doing wrong?

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottDaMan

#1 tool: Wordpress - Its free.

Wordpress does a lot of amazing things like trackbacks, pings, and encourages other blogs and sites to link to you.

I'm not saying use Wordpress blogs everywhere you run a site, but a solid network of blogs in any niche will do fucking wonders. And its free.

But nevermind all this, go spent your thousands on tools that might work.

I'm telling you what DOES work. Problem? Yeah, you need to hire content writers and shit if you don't want to make your own posts all the time.

Contrary to popular belief, Wordpress doesnt make a site popular, the constant freshness blog software promotes is what makes a site do well. That and most Wordpress themes come preoptimized for SEO.

Thanks for the quality post, recently what I've been doing is getting articles written and downloading a free "web template" that looks like a "blog-style" and pasting my article on there since I don't have anything beyond basic html skills.

I'm only promoting with PPC at this time, but now, that I know that wordpress is SEO optimized, I can now use them to SEO my site at the same time correct? I know there are content writers that will update your blog for you automatically I'll speak to them ASAP.

Thanks!

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by illkity

I wasn't going to reply again but I really think you might be trying. The problem is you've been around here for almost a year and you sound clueless. No offense, but that's how it appears from here. Have you followed all the advice you got in this thread? It seems like you are going in circles. I think you have all the info you need. You just need to put it together for yourself.

What could I be doing wrong?

I know I have been here for a while, and I'm doing much better since I got here, than what I tell everybody. I'm not the kind of person to brag about my success. I'm a pessimist. I'm always trying to get better. I'll never give my self respect unless I'm satisfied enough to retire. I'll always treat my knowledge like a 2 year old until I figure this out 100%. I'm sure this thread will make more sense when I'm sober.

I guess I just need to realize if I keep asking the same dumb questions and get treated like an idiot, just need to accept it and not argue it.

That thread "what could I be doing wrong" that I created is why I created this post, people said you need to change your ways if the same technique isn't working. They said only the insane keep doing the same thing expecting the same results - (regarding my "see what sticks method") so that's why I thought that I need to change my ways.

What I thought was to research my niches and keywords before I start my campaigns. That's why I've recently started creating these threads asking which tools and software can help me with this.

Lucidity · 10-03-2007, 04:48 AM

Some advice I've heard that makes the most sense to me is to start out with doing your niche / keyword research manually with existing free tools. Then once you find a system that works well, build your own custom tool that streamlines your methodology.

Perhaps it goes without saying, but do keep in mind that preliminary market research can at best only indicate potential. There's always a shitton of other variables not reflected in the numbers that can make or break actual performance. This is true for any business endeavor. Still, doing research first is far more sensible than putting a list of niches on your wall and throwing darts at them.

ubaidabcd · 10-03-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucidity

Still, doing research first is far more sensible than putting a list of niches on your wall and throwing darts at them.

Thanks, I'm glad somebody understands what I'm trying to say.

This is what I'm trying to find out how to do. Most of the free tools suck. fucking seobook.com has a good tool but it works only half the time. It's better than nothing, dont' get me wrong, I use that tool all the time, at least try to when it's working.

Just trying to find something else that is more reliable, I know the numbers are not going to be exact, but an estimate is enough.

10-03-2007, 12:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
ubaidabcd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,037 iTrader: (3)	How important is it to have all these tools and software for IM? I'm wondering if I should start purchasing more tools and software to help with internet marketing. It's just that those sales copies are so hyped up, it makes me skeptical. I think the only software I've bought is Keyword Elite, which worked well. recently they changed up some stuff which is making it difficult. Most of these programs do offer refunds so that's good. How many of you think these tools are necessary? some examples: Niche Inspector, Nichebot, Keyword Analyzer, traffic equalizer. The reason I need software is since I would like concrete research if a niche and keywords are going to be profitable before I start investing into landing pages, articles, etc.. Thanks

10-03-2007, 03:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
illkity n00b13 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oz Posts: 352 iTrader: (0)	Whatever dude. There are plenty of threads here that tell you exactly what to do. Good luck with the excuses though... __________________ NicheBot Keyword Tool - www.nichbot.com

10-03-2007, 04:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
ScottDaMan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 943 iTrader: (2)	#1 tool: Wordpress - Its free. Wordpress does a lot of amazing things like trackbacks, pings, and encourages other blogs and sites to link to you. I'm not saying use Wordpress blogs everywhere you run a site, but a solid network of blogs in any niche will do fucking wonders. And its free. But nevermind all this, go spent your thousands on tools that might work. I'm telling you what DOES work. Problem? Yeah, you need to hire content writers and shit if you don't want to make your own posts all the time. Contrary to popular belief, Wordpress doesnt make a site popular, the constant freshness blog software promotes is what makes a site do well. That and most Wordpress themes come preoptimized for SEO. __________________ Gay Webmaster Forum

10-03-2007, 04:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
illkity n00b13 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oz Posts: 352 iTrader: (0)	I wasn't going to reply again but I really think you might be trying. The problem is you've been around here for almost a year and you sound clueless. No offense, but that's how it appears from here. Have you followed all the advice you got in this thread? It seems like you are going in circles. I think you have all the info you need. You just need to put it together for yourself. What could I be doing wrong? __________________ NicheBot Keyword Tool - www.nichbot.com

10-03-2007, 12:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
beejeebers Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 541 iTrader: (1)	90% of IM Software is shit and not needed to succeed. They prey on your laziness in seeking the shortcut or easy way to riches beyond your wildest dream. Don't fall for it. Put your head down and work, EVERY DAY and you will succeed. If you find some software that speeds up your work, (allowing you to do more), then buy it. But concrete research before jumping in is just an excuse. Want to find out if a niche is good or not? Test it. You don't need software for that and if all those niche finders are so great, why isn't everyone succeeding? I mean all they have to do is by the software right? Bah.

10-03-2007, 04:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
ubaidabcd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,037 iTrader: (3)	I'm not making any excuses. Is there anybody that can't understand what I'm saying? I just want to properly research a niche beforehand to see if it'll be profitable before I get into it? Is that too much to ask? If really you all believe there's no other way then I'll continue with what I'm doing. I use seobook.com with their tool to see how many searches a keyword gets per month. I'm just looking for something more indepth. I have been suggested a couple softwares by a trusting member here, in a similiar post I made, so I guess I should just wait and to hear from more people like them instead of arguing with losers that think they know everything.

10-03-2007, 04:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
ubaidabcd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,037 iTrader: (3)	ok sorry, i shoulda mentioned i'm kinda drunk. sorry i'll take a reread over this thread when i'm sober. sorry if you tried to really help and i got stupid. apologies.

10-03-2007, 04:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Lucidity Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 133 iTrader: (0)	Some advice I've heard that makes the most sense to me is to start out with doing your niche / keyword research manually with existing free tools. Then once you find a system that works well, build your own custom tool that streamlines your methodology. Perhaps it goes without saying, but do keep in mind that preliminary market research can at best only indicate potential. There's always a shitton of other variables not reflected in the numbers that can make or break actual performance. This is true for any business endeavor. Still, doing research first is far more sensible than putting a list of niches on your wall and throwing darts at them.