turbolapp

So I get this email that a Marcia Johnson (whom I don't know) has posted something in my inbox from facebook:

If you said I don't believe in traffic and walked in front of oncoming traffic then does that make the traffic go away because you said you don't believe in it?
If you were to look at a building then you would see there was a builder because the building exists. When you look at a painting then you would see that there was a painter. Now when you look at creation then you must see see there was a creator.
Go to The Way of the Master and take the Good Person Test.
You can choose not to believe in God but that doesn't mean He doesn't exist.. think about it.

What The Fuck. IF YOUR GONNA FUCKING SPAM ME, AT LEAST BE DOING FOR THE GOOD OLD AMERICAN CAPITALISTIC WAY NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WHO CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELF. ooooooohhhh this shit pisses me off. I"m not even sure how she found me. I think it's be cause I'm apart of an atheist/agnostic group on facebook. Get a fucking life. (cause this is the only life you got and then it's snuffed out. heheheh)

I just BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhed at her.

Now we are in this email battle of her wanting me to go to her godamn site and I just keep baaaahhhing at her.

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Deliguy

ooooooooo you took the lords name in veign. He's gonna strike your ass down hebrew style!

I've met a lot of atheists and they all hate the same thing. Locusts!

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turbolapp

I know. After I posted, i realized the total irony of my title. ( I love good irony)



SMITE ME!!!!!!!!!!

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seocracy

the way of the master is good shit.....get stoned first and then watch it. It will seriously fuck with your mind.

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LazyHippy

Spamming in the name of the Lord... ffs.

The logic of that is so fucked up, not exactly a very convincing argument. "Look at creation..." doesn't make sense - those who don't believe in that shit wouldn't view the world as creation, so have no need for a creator.

Believe in God, join the army, let other people do the thinking for you.

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wesley

wtf is that guy from that 80's tv show doing on that website

popeye

Yes thier are over the top freaks in any religion. Rather than bashing stones on young girls heads..the overzealous members of the Christian religion spam you with thier web sites (for the most part).

You gota expect it though. If you place your beliefs on the Internet for all to see you gota expect some harassment from the fringes. Just be thankful you live here rather than in Iran.

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turbolapp

Seriously, I would appreciate it if you would back-the-fuck-off.

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nickycakes

evangelist idiots like to spam
welcome to the internet

LazyHippy

Too right. Homer Simpson can go to work without the worry that some crazy foreigners might drop bombs on him.

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Supergeek

I listened to that site for a couple minutes. "It's the art of bypassing the intellect..." that made me laugh out loud. Yeah, you have to bypass your fucking brain to believe in that wishing for a better world after we die bullshit.

I would be thankful, but there's no one to thank. I'm just happy it worked out this way, that I live in the laziest and wealthiest society in the world.

turbolapp

I know what you mean. I'm often times grateful and wonder if it's a paradox to be thankful and grateful to...no one in particular. Really, I don't think it is. For example, I celebrate thanksgiving and christmas because I think they represent family, reflection, and time to celebrate the joy of being alive.

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BeerHat

So Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains is now a spammer? Good for him I'm impressed!

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Supergeek

Exactly right. There was a brief period where I was very "anti religious" and felt bitterness about all the commercialism and hypocrisy around the holidays.

But I'm a little older and a little wiser now, I think, and I look forward to the holiday season for the positive influence it has on people, and on me, and I ignore the negatives.

DruSam

All of you infidels shall feel the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. His Noodliness is not pleased with your lack of faith.

rAmen.

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Grafix

That is what you get for spamming the forums

seocracy

"...and he rasied his noodley appendage...."

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JamesTrap

Nice irony

MyOwnDemon

I apologize, Turbo. It was clearly meant as a joke. That's what we do around here - joke around with each other. I didn't know you would take it so seriously.

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Grafix

It's very nice of you to apologize but there's certain things that you just can't say to ladies.

We are ladies

Deliguy

lol look at the similar threads listed below. It's all the ones that match with the word goddamn.

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Blessed are those who do not take the name of His Noodley Appendage in vain. They will be rewarded with beer volcanoes and stripper factories. rAmen.

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turbolapp

Thanks for that. As far as I'm concerned, we're cool.


LOL. It's like you were trying to distract people from an uncomfortable moment. "hey everyone...look over there!!"

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JamesH

Religion is something thats kinda interested me, however I hate talking about it. Some people get way to serious about it, and then it becomes fucking impossible to have an intelligent conversation. They just don't fucking listen. But yea, this kinda talk aggravates me, so I'm done.

Xrproto

Ah what a rip. I thought the "way of the master" was going to be some Bruce Lee shit.

Fuck.

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springer

I thought it was all about the food... and the beer. That's it, I'm there for the food and the beer. I'm thankful to the goddess of food and beer.

I'm hungry now.

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But what if its true........?

turbolapp

Then I'll see you in hell.

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LazyHippy

Hahaha! Nice one.


Buddhism makes a lot more sense to me that Christianity - the original teachings, not the bullshit religion that's built up around it - a personal quest for Nirvana. I can accept that all suffering comes from desire, but I seem to have eliminated my desire to eliminate desire... I doubt I'll find Nirvana... but I've seen the Foo Fighters a couple of times - does that count?

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Supergeek

I used to think Buddhism was cool, but I like wanting things. We're just animals, and being without desire means having no purpose.

Wanting things is what drives me to become better. A better person, smarter, wiser, healthier, more informed, more educated, more accomplished, more skillful, more sensitive, more caring, more perceptive.

Without desire, what remains? Peace? Peace is just the absense of conflict, it's not a tangible goal.

I'm happy the way I am. I am not going to sit in a cave for 20 years and eat offerings from villagers impressed by my inner peace. I like having desires and goals and ambitions. I like the feeling of achievement.

Enlightenment doesn't equal detachment.

spazdr8cr

i agree with you supergeek, i got into buddhism for a while, but i started to wonder if suicide might not be a lot easier for the same result.

E-graffiti

L O fucking L... thats pretty good

And to me religion is just fear based bullshit. I believe in something higher and more powerful than myself.. but it sure as hell isn't something as humanized as religion.

katoved

Well said, if you want to read some great books on Budhism and eastern thought, check out "The Book":

Amazon.com: The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are: Books: Alan Watts

A fascinating read.

BradM

My wife is christian and I am athiest. We have some heated debates. I always win because her answer for everything is "I just have faith."

There is no proof anywhere. Most Christians never have any way to back up what they believe in. It's pretty INSANE if you ask me.

Here's what I asked her mom one time:

Brad: God gave man free-will correct?
Her: Yes
Brad: So when human beings out of their free will create cures to diseases, God can not be given credit?
Her: No, God gives the gift to the people who create the cure, so he essentially cured the disease.
Brad: Oh, okay... makes sense. So when a man rapes and murders his 8 year old daughter, he didn't do it out of free will. He was given that gift by God, correct?
Her: Errr... well no.
Brad: Aren't tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, volcanoes etc all created by God?
Her: Errrrr.... yes.
Brad: So if God is capable of killing people by natural disaster, why is he not capable of killing people through his vessels?

Basically the argument went on for 20 minutes but she stopped talking after being clearly defeated.

She claims God can cure cancer etc by using humans as the vessel. Yet humans have free will that allows us to do anything WE choose. So when I brought up the rapist/murder scenario she realized the flaw in her (and her religions) logic and how it may be a tad (100%) hypocritical.

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turbolapp

Let me replace your mother inlaw with my mom:

Me: So when a man rapes and murders his 8 year old daughter, he didn't do it out of free will. He was given that gift by God, correct?
My mom: No, that would be Satan's influence.
Me: But he will still go to heaven as long as he repents?
My Mom: Yes
Me: But... I am still going to hell for not being a christian.
My Mom: Yes.


Lesson: You can't argue with insanity.


We take the mother/daughter relationship to a whole new level.

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LazyHippy

God, it's frustrating trying to have an intelligent discussion about anything with people who have "beliefs".

I think it was in the film Dogma someone said "don't have beliefs, have ideas".

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lol

xecutech

We really shouldn't criticize people's religions. I find it hard to attack a person of faith, any faith and in all reality your spirituality is between you and who you worship. It doesn't matter if you believe in what I believe, nor I believe what you believe, I will still have faith.
As far as debating if there is a God, it doesn't matter what we conclude, as the outcome would be the same. There either is a God or there isn't. That's what faith is, believeing in something you can't see.
I am a Christian. I like and get along with everyone, even atheists. You wouldn't know what my religion was if I didn't tell you, so it shouldn't matter to you anyway. I can't make you believe what I believe, nor would I try.

The reason I replied to this was that before you start insulting people of faith, you may want to consider that you may be saying something hurtful to someone you know and not know it. I agree that Christians shouldn't be spamming people, but neither should any industry or group. I am not big on church either, and I know alot of people have been abused by the church, especially the catholic church, but that's a different issue in itself.

Ok, flame away....

Supergeek

It's not the calm, quiet, confident people of faith that I have a problem with. I have a problem with:

- People who kill in the name of love (bombing a planned parenthood center, or an abortion clinic)
- People who stifle their child's ability to think for themselves
- People who don't even try to question the pablum they've been fed by society/their peers/their family
- People who kill in the name of their religion (kill the atheist, kill the foreigner, kill the nonbeliever)
- People who say they believe in a codified system of ethics but obviously don't practice what they preach
- People who go to church and dress sharp and thank God in public then go home and molest their children or beat their wife
- People who think the Earth is 10,000 years old and dinosaur bones were planted as a test of their faith -- and want to teach it as truth in schools
- People who start a religion completely cynically and it ends up hurting people (L. Ron Hubbard)
- People in their 40's and 50's "marrying" a woman for a short time to avoid violating the letter of the law in their religion (this happens in Middle Eastern countries from reports I've read)
- People in their 40's and 50's marrying multiple 13 and 14 year-old's and having multiple children with them and then having sex with their own children and having progeny by them as well (this happens with crazy Christian sects)
- Men beating their wives because their book tells them they are in charge
- Men killing women who don't wear their veil, or kill women who do the same thing men do (infidelity, fornication)

This isn't about being anti-Christian... it's about being anti-"you use the rules of your religion as an excuse to do intolerable things to other people".

I have no truck with the ones who don't use their religion as a club to violate the rights of others. I am very polite to the people who comes to my house every Saturday morning proselytizing their religion. I calmly tell them no thank you, I am not interested.

turbolapp

Good Discussion.

I do not mean to offend anyone. Or maybe I do, I don't know. I just get really fed up with it all and when I see red...well like anyone else I tend to step on some toes along the way.


Maybe it's that I'm tired of being offended by the zealots everyday but no one seems to think that that matters. I get these mass christian emails almost on a daily basis all from people that KNOW I'm an atheist but does that stop them? No, infact Im pretty sure that's their motivation. And yet when I reach the breaking point everyone else gets offended by my anger. It's like they are perfectly within their rights to tell me how misguided, clueless, or hedonistic I am. But heaven forbid (<--woah I had to come back to this sentence, total unintended pun) I point out that they are acting like sheep. Actually I've come across christians who take this as a compliment (God is the shepard they are the flock..blah blah).

I've probably just made any offending statments worse now, so let me just wind this up. xecutech, you seem like a smart reasonable guy and I don't have issues with people of faith that present it in your manner. I do have friends and an uncle that are hard core christians and I still have the utmost respect for them a) because they don't shove anything down my throat b) they aren't morons and do actually attempt to think about things, we just come to different conclusions (my uncle is against abortion AND the death penalty because he believes it's wrong for anyone other than God to take human life...see? thats not so bad at least its consistent and non-hypocritical, regardless of whether not I agree) and c) they REALLY DO live like they think Jesus lived. They are caring, positive, loving and really funny people.

So in conclusion, I don't have a problem with people of faith (maybe even a little envious sometimes but I can't stand the fanatics. They really do give the people of faith a bad name

I'd like to end this with one of my favorite Mahatma Gandhi quotes: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

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I just realized the irony of this image, in this thread.

Anyway, that gives me an idea for a hotlinking image service... Muahaha...

SUP3RNOVA

...logic?

something as beautiful as the universe wasn't created just from random energy somehow blasting into an expanding body of planets and such.

I will agree that people get too hardcore about things and take things like the Bible too literally, but I find it extremely hard to believe that there's no higher power where everything first came from.

plus the personal impact I feel it's had on my life has been well worth the faith.

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Ben

What's worse, a christain who pushes their views on you or an atheist that pushes their views on you?

Answer: Fuck off

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xecutech

First off, thanks for not flaming me. I had anticipated coming in here to find alot of bs.
I understand your frustration turbolapp about the church spam you get, but I don't think they did it intentionally, as who would know your an atheist. I didnt think you were until you just mentioned it. I get a ton of viagra spam, probably from some of you, but I don't need it, nor do I take it personally. I have never gotten any Christian spam, not a single one, so I would assume it may be from some of the sites you visit, or you could be correct that someone knew you to be an atheist, but we really don't know.

There are alot of "bad" Christians who really take Christianity way too far and from what I read in the Bible, they are way off, but arguing with them is like debating an atheist, so I live my life and let them live theirs.

The funny thing is is that everything alot of you say about church is the same problem Jesus had with churches. A few examples are making money in the church, acting better than others and putting too much burden on believers making them feel they have to do certain things for God... the list goes on and on. Jesus and his deciples were a radical bunch, unlike anything the Jews had ever seen. The church hated him for his views, as he only really wanted one thing of us... to love one another, even non-believers.

No matter what ever I would have faced coming into this thread this evening, I was not prepared to defend myself, as I wouldn't have done so. The Bible tells us to share the good news, but if no one wants to hear it to move on. So, I would think he wouldn't want us to spam or intrude.

Thanks for taking it easy on me, I know you all could have had fun at my expense.

I don't like where todays church is going. There seems to be alot of abuse of power, money and like it's an exclusive club to be in. The real church is for sinners, as we all are sinners and we all make mistakes. The church has gotten too far from that and that's why it looks so bad when someone in the church screws up. Then non-believers get to point back at those who criticize what we do wrong.

So to sum it up, love one another. If you don't want to hear it from Jesus, just about every other religion will tell you to do the same. It's really just common sense. I would also advise anyone to read the Bible themselves, something like an niv version they could understand and make their own opinions. I think too many people criticize what's in the Bible from being abused by other "Christians" and churches.

BlondeTM

This is a great post. To expand, there are also a lot of bad Muslims, athiests, pagans, etc. It's not so much the religion, it's those who do crappy things and use their religion as the scapegoat.

I have a very strong faith, and sadly it's become less comfortable to talk about it openly because of the acceptable christian hating.

For me, my faith is a part of who I am. It isn't a bad part of me, and I don't push it on anyone else. But I don't like to hide it to make others feel at ease either.

SleepyStarling

It's nice that there are people willing to have rational conversations about religion. Every time I go to my favorite writer's forum, there's always this urge to look in the equivalent section to "Shooting the Shit" and argue with the morons who post there are who have no problem seeing Muslims, GBLTs, and liberals as less than human. It's scary. Then again, there are too many idiots who think that anyone can be a writer, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me if said idiocy also extends to political thought.

As a devout leftist who is also incidentally Christian (and a former Pagan, former Athiest), I tend to take flak from both sides of the aisle, so to speak.

It used to be that standing up for reason, civil rights, peace, and justice, along with fighting poverty, were the staples of American congregations. You know, the whole 'do unto others' thing. I could blame Reagan, but I think that's way too simplistic an answer. We Americans are so strange about God, guns and government that I doubt anyone will be able to define when these subtle shifts in priorities occured. The more I see and know, the more I am convinced that most people need to go back to school and learn about civics and history before they try to teach others who's right or wrong and what model works.

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It was done intentionally. It was sent on Facebook. Facebook profiles list religion. Christian sheeple intentionally spam their crap to Facebook profiles listed as atheist or agnostic.

geekcognito

Best post in this thread BY FAR.

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