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turbolapp

LOL!!

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popeye

That is pretty funny. I would post a cartoon I have concerning Allah..but I don't want to offend any Muslims.

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LazyHippy

Haha.. he missed one thing about Noway though.. the women! Man... Norwegian Women

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turbolapp

Or start any riots.

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elime

Oh man, thank god I'm not the only atheist around here.

springer

Love the cartoon AND the poster. I used to think I was a dyslexic/agnostic/insomniac because I would lie awake at night wondering if there really was a dog. Now I'm thinking I'm more along the lines of an athiest.

I wonder, sometimes, if there might be a correlation between athieism or agnosticism and common sense. Things that make ya go hmmmmmmm. Nope, wait a minute... I'm now pretty sure... there must be a direct correlation. The more devoutly religious someone is, the less common sense they have.

I mean, think about it... (I'm talking about christianity here but all religions really apply, just change the descriptions accordinly) logical, rational thought precludes the possibility of believing in an old guy in a white robe living in the clouds and a guy who was nailed to a post coming back to life... well, kinda, before he went to live with the old man in the clouds. Before he got nailed, he could do really cool magic, almost as good as Criss Angel or David Blaine, another really evil guy (let's call him the google) who lives in the center of the earth and likes to set things on fire and just generally fuck with people (sounds like me in my younger days)

Need I go on?

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LazyHippy

That's the thing, a lot of people just don't think.

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Jondoe0069

Do you have to be an atheist to make money online?

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elime

Even though I think that was sarcasm, I'll answer anyways. No, of course not. Google for "christian dating." Though I wouldn't be surprised at all if a large number of the sites you come across are in fact ran by atheists/nonreligious.

Not to be a cock or anything, but I'd wager the heavily religious demographic is more gullible in general.

Damn, speaking of Christian dating sites, I wonder if they have NSA sections. All that pent up sexual frustration due to theistic brainwashing...I might have to look into this.

Atheist or not, I'm a sucker for those Catholic schoolgirl outfits.

Supergeek

There's a thread in the forums called "Damn Sheeple"... directly related to this theme.

springer

Nah, some people just get lucky.

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Dogs are real!

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popeye

Hmmmm...guess people didnt get it. Why is it that folks can totally slam Christianity yet you don't see many knocking Islam. The extremist of Christianity may spam you to death with their bullshit websites but the extremist of Isam will saw off your fucking head or worse rape your daughter and throw stones at her head till her brains seep out.

Fuck all of this hatred and bias. I guess Christians are the new "niggers". You guys need not worry about the Christians because they are not out to "spill your blood" because you dont believe they way they do. Worry about the other religions that want to kill your children in front of you then saw your head off and place it on a stick for all the other "non believers" to see and learn from.

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POPEYE



I am an atheist, I do not believe in ANY god.

This is just a cartoon I stumbled on. Rest assured, I will (and do) make fun of Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hare Krishnas, you name it, I think its laughable.

The reason I am not posting anti-Islam stuff in American forums is the rednecks and warmongers.

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Supergeek

Overreact much?

spazdr8cr

didn't god tell bush to kill 600,000 iraqis?

turbolapp

I think I remember him saying he prayed on the decision....so, Yes?

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SUP3RNOVA

Agreed.

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LazyHippy

Damn, you both beat me to it!

Popeye, there might be extremists in other religions stoning people to death and blowing themselves up, but when it comes to killing innocent people the Christians win hands down. From the Romans to the current war of terror, Christian extremists have slaughtered millions in the name of the Lord.

Given the popularity of their views amongst the powerful elite forgive me if I feel just a little bit more concerned about extreme Christianity than I do about extreme Islam. Bush and Bin Laden both want the world to be ruled how they want, Bush has been a lot more destructive in his efforts make it so.

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Given the inevitability of the death of the body, we're all going to find out one day, one way or the other.

Some people have direct contact with the spirit world while alive on the Earth. For them, to doubt it exists, is to doubt their own senses.

Some people have contact with those people who perceive these things. They choose to believe what they report.

The rest of us are gonna have to wait and see

Amusing story: An oriental and a westerner come to a fork in the road, with a sign post. One sign says "To God --->" and the other says "To lectures on God -->".

The oriental follows the one which says "To God". The westerner follows the one which says "To lectures on God".

That sums it up for me.

Suggest you don't bother debating religion. Find the living saints of your ancestral religion, and get to know them instead. There's probably one close by.

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SUP3RNOVA

how can you blame Christian extremists for the killing that's gone in the current war on terrorism?

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turbolapp

Yeah, on that note, it really annoys me that when I die, I'm not going to be able to do the "I-told-you-so" dance.

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LazyHippy

George Bush and co are Christians and in my eyes they are certainly at the more extreme end of the scale.

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That is implying that you can't have 'life' after death without God or some sort of higher power or even without religion. Why would you think that?

Personally, based on experiences, I have an idea (no beliefs) that there is some sort of existence separate from what we view as life and something exists in some way after death. No idea what, and no idea whether or not this existence may include or comprise of a higher power or god(s) and even if there is God then religion is still little more than social engineering at it's finest.

In my mind the issues are separate, but linked. Is there existence after death? Is there a higher form of existence (God)? Is religion bullshit?

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xecutech

Do you all really believe that the actions of Christians are condoned by all Christians? Basing your intolerance of all Christians on the actions of a few is a little ridiculus. Is every gun owner a murderer if a few gun owners kill with guns? That's like saying that everyone in the state of NY are Giants fans, when there are alot of folks who hate football, or maybe like the Bills or the Jets. You cannot categorize everyone in a group based on the actions a percentage of the group.
If that's the case everyone here in this forum is Christian, since some of us claim to be.

Supergeek

Has anyone stated that they hate all religious people in this thread?

LazyHippy

No certainly not, but when people choose to place themselves in a group associated with a certain set of values and a lot of attention is given to members of that group acting in ways that are contrary to those values (and that many people disagree with), it is natural for the group image to be affected - as popeye illustrated earlier with his comments about Islam.

Everyone is entitled to think or believe what the hell they like and no one should be discriminated against for any choice they make which does not affect anyone else.

For us, religion is a choice like any other. Like the choice to wear women's clothes or the choice to grow weed, some people will respect you, others will ridicule you. Look at the shit David Icke got for his religious beliefs... or Tom Cruise and co in the Scientology cult. (It's not a recognised religion here, hopefully I can call it a cult and be safe!)

"Tom Cruise won't come out the closet..." Funniest shit ever, yet mocking the religious beliefs held by thousands of fee-paying cult members.

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Nope, these were examples.... keep up!

xecutech

Perfectly fine, scientology is a cult and weed should be legalized!

My only issue is that as a Christian I can question sometimes get discouraged and question my faith, but atheists never seem to admit that there could be a God?

LazyHippy

I think there could be some form of higher existence, but a God in the Christian sense? Us made from his image? Impregnated a virgin? Going to come down and judge us all one day? No fuckin way.

Strip away all the theology and crap to leave the abstract concept of a supernatural form of existence that we probably aren't capable of understanding then maybe, but in stripping away all the stuff religions have added you remove the religion.

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LOL

No, to take this further, I do not only see myself as an atheist, but also as a scientist (that degree has to be good for something, damnit!)

So..present your case.

Be prepared tp have it ripped to shreds, as all weak theories are. That is what drives science and scientific advance.

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dragi

I dare you to post one of those Danish Mohammed cartoons. I bet you Muslims would set WickedFire on fire

The world of Islam is still living in the Midle Ages.

popeye

That is correct. It's recently became very popular for the under 40 crowd to be atheist. Kinda like being gay was cool a few years back. I find this is true especially for the far liberal left. I believe it's a lash back against the conservative right, the war etc.

I do volunteer work with the elderly a couple times a month delivering food to them and I have noticed one thing. I have never met a dying person that was an athiest.

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turbolapp

Woo Hoo, I'm Cool!

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xecutech

I thought you were married?

turbolapp

lol. I was referring to him saying being atheist today is considered "cool" like being gay was however many years ago. Honestly, I had no idea that either was considered a "fad".

It does kind of remind me of the idea that my mom is still waiting for me to out grow my "rebellion stage" and "see the light". I'm 31, how long does the rebellion stage last?

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LazyHippy

What a load of crap. Islam isn't living in the Middle Ages. Although some Islam countries are certainly not as technologically advanced as some Christian ones if you compare Islamic states to Christian ones in Africa for example Sudan then you'll find the Islamic states more advanced. Does that mean Christianity is still in the Middle Ages too?

There is a reason why the number of atheists and agnostics have grown and will continue to grow. Quite simply more people are realising they don't have to follow their parents religion, and they are teaching their kids the same.

If recent affairs have played a small part in that it is because it has made people think, nothing more.

You are right though to some extent, there probably is some correlation between liberal/libertarian views and atheism/agnosticism. That logical, you'll probably also find that the most authoritarian people are the most religious.

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I was 35, but didn't really consider myself a Christian until I was 37. I still have my faults, but do try to attend church with my family, try to understand the bible and love everyone. Some people make it hard to love each other, but i get along with just about anyone.

Remind your mother to read Matthew 7:6 the next time she gives you a hard time about religion.

xecutech

Isn't this one of the things atheists say that Christian parents are doing? teaching their kids a sense of false religion and etc. So, is it fair to teach your kids there is no God, when in fact no one can prove he doesn't exist anymore than one can prove he does? Do children deserve to have the same facts and make their own opinions? I ask this because I was an atheist and made fun of my children for going to church! How sick was that??? They actually got me to go to church. I learned something from them and realized that what I was doing was wrong.

LazyHippy

Cheers for the emphasis, although I meant:

"Quite simply more people are realising they don't have to follow their parents religion, and they are teaching their kids the same."

They are teaching their kids to think for themselves, make their own choices. That they don't have to follow their parents' choices.

No one can prove that we weren't created by a giant rabbit and that upon death we all become rabbits... does that mean it is right to teach that to children? Just because it can't be disproved?

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You can believe there is a God or you can believe there is no God. You can't prove either.

When is the last time you heard of a girl stoned to death in Europe? Any Christian country? Let me see, 1472?

turbolapp

You know sometimes I get lost in the argument and forget my bearings. I would never pass down atheist "teachings" (if there is such a thing) to my child anymore than I would pass down christian teachings. Everyone should be raising children as agnostic. In otherwords, we should constantly be saying to our children "we just don't know" and that's ok. My personal "belief" is that there is nothing out there, which is why I would fall under atheist. But I will still say I don't KNOW.

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LazyHippy

I'm sure there's a lot more recent examples, but two extremist Christian groups spring to mind... The KKK and the Nazis.... no need to elaborate, is there?

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This is true. I hear people state that moderate Muslims that don't live within sharia law do not do these type of evil things. My questions is are Muslims that don't live within sharia law actually really Muslims or are they a different religion all together.

Go to Saudi Arabia and state to the Muslims there that you are Muslim but you don't follow sharia law...well you might be holding your tongue in your hand.

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LazyHippy

Oh, come on... At least do a tiny bit of research before making comments like that!

I'm getting a bit lost between the two threads, but do you really think that Christians can pick and chose which bits to believe and follow, yet people of other religions cannot?

You're kinda right about Saudi Arabia, it is in many ways a cruel dictatorship.... and your taxes are helping pay for their new planes.. nice one Bush.

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