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Andrew

Why don't the suits at the affiliate networks work on the weekends?

Jon

Because they aren't entrepeneurs like us. They get paid on salary, and don't work the extra mile like we do. Even though most of the affiliate managers work off commission, they should work weekends too, but I guess since there are so many lazy affiliates to deal with they don't think it's worth it.

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How to effectively drive traffic to a new website without resorting to buying ads?

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Jon

That's a tough one, because buying ppc ads for cheap is by far the best way to start out traffic and revenue for a new site. But since there are so many good social networking sites out there, you may want to start there. It also depends on your niche. If you were making a video game site, then your best bet would be forum sigs, blogs, articles, and just constant networking with larger sites. Maybe strike a quick deal to write them some articles in exchange for a blog mention or a plug on their forums?

Most niches have blogs nowadays, which can work to your advantage. And most of the blog owners love getting feedback or free content help. Getting plugs on other blogs can not only get the word out about your new site, but it can also bring in some much needed links for seo purposes, especially if it's relevant to your page/site. Just write up some emails to blog owners and get plugs. Look for forums too, if there aren't any, maybe you should consider making one? If you really have no cash on hand, you can always go the route of creating your own blogs and getting them indexed by news sources like digg and shoutwire.

But again, buying quick cheap traffic is your best bet. Just use the revenue from that to re-invest in better quality traffic. Pay lots of attention to SEO for MSN instead of Google too, because MSN traffic is awesome and they will pick you up and list you quicker than the Google monster will.

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Are article directories a good way to get traffic?
Submitting articles to...

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John

It's a good way for a new site to get backlinks, in my experiance.

DanNicol

how is your adbrite campaign going?

emp

Another one, as I am unclear on that.
This is regarding the "finding a profitable niche" article hyped on this here forum a few days ago.

When I find a niche... err... for example "jailed affiliate marketers" which looks promising - not a lot of competition, good amount of searches, CPC cost is high.

How do I know there actually ARE ads with those keywords? Or is that a given
when using the google tool?

Reason I ask is that I found one such niche, but in google, no ads were present.

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I've never used article directories, but I'd say yes and no. I think they would be good for inbound direct links, and if the article is really THAT good, maybe some traffic too. But I think it's a fairly slow process to begin with. If you're in no rush then you should do the following:

Make a plan, and execute it in order. Come up with every possible way to drive traffic for free to your site, and utilize every available resource to do so. If it works, then you just found the first part of a blueprint that you can apply to any site you own or make from now on.

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Mill

When are you going to pay for the registration for me to the Adtech:NYC? I know you are right? On a serious note, Which is the best conference to go to ? Is it ADTech, Affiliate Summit , PubCon or SES? And where do most people go that tend to sway off the pansy ass white hat no income road? I want to go to one, and I live in NC, so NYC would be ideal, but looking for an honest unbiased opinion. My AM's told me to go to Adtech in NYC, but wanted a better idea.

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It's going okay. Nothing to brag about. But the service I'm advertising on it isn't the easiest sell in the world.

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John

When are we going to do a wickedfire conference?

DanNicol

are you building niche content sites or are you building around specific affiliate services?

Jon

I wouldn't go for that niche, only because it seems silly. There are so many others out there to go for. That article is great because it allows people to search for great new niches they never heard of before, and create blogs and stick on some adsense/ypn ads onto it and test the waters. Try something within the $3-$4 per click region that you can do some research on as far as writing some blog articles on, make a blog account at Blogger, submit it to directories, and ping it to the list of reputable sources. Maybe you'll get some traffic and revenue, maybe you won't, but you need to trial run it on your own first and see if it works before you start counting the number of Ferraris you're going to be buying with the revenue generated. It's all about trial and error, regardless of how easy or hard something seems to be.

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Jon

I don't think this industry has a "best conference" yet. Not like Adult with Internext or CES for the consumer electronics industry. It depends on what you want to do at the end of the day. Are you going there to learn or are you going there to network? For me it's all about networking, so I would choose AD:TECH NYC (which is huge) and Affiliate Summit West. You may also want to consider the PubCons in your area or somewhere closeby once, and SES too. I'd recommend going to at least one conference each year just to feel it out yourself and see which you like.

There is always the ecomexpo online which is free and you don't have to travel, but I don't know how great it is for networking/learning.

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Jon

One day I hope. I don't think it will be a conference. More like a one day social/networking event with some live Q&A's and a few topics covered. But that may never materialize either. If it's too much work on my part I'll either outsource it or scrap it. But it's funny you mention it, because I was thinking about it for sometime in 2007 or 2008. But I guess time will tell.

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emp

That niche was only an example.

The real question was: Will there be paid ads or will I be stuck with red cross and Amnesty international?
To put it differently: If the Google Adwords shows me a phrase, will there be ads for that?

The example "accused priests" in the article seemed as unlikely.

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Doing both. We are doing a 10 million niche site that will be nearly complete by 2008. We plan to avg $1m income per day by 2009 from it and hopefully be bought out by Google or Yahoo at some point. That's the goal at least, who knows if it will happen or not, but either way, I will become the largest producer of niche sites in the world. Our niche database is beyond huge already, and our programs find thousands of new profitable ones everyday. So there may never be a limit on them, but the goal is to provide solid content for everything being searched. Sort of like a search engine, but more like About.com, just done correctly the first time over.

We are also getting back into affiliate products because the market is just so untapped for specific products that I will not share much more on.

There is so much money to be made it should be a crime for people who are just doing nothing about it.

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DanNicol

do you like marketing products or services better

Jon

Well, with a niche like that you can imagine how many lawyers would jump at the chance to sue a priest. There's an incentive of cash and press in it for them. So if you can't attract good adsense ads, there's always the option of charging for ad space with law firms. Be creative!

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Jon

I prefer marketing services or even products that result in a PAY PER LEAD rather than Cost Per Sale/Action. It's easier for me, and there are little or no refunds on it. A hell of a lot more conversions too I may add.

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DanNicol

do you develop your own keyword/idea list or do you use commercial tools

Jon

We use custom tools only. A lot of them are loosely based on commercial programs on the market now, but we add in our own specs on top, and of course our goal is to keep it as automated as possible.

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chrislingle

on wordpress blogs that you create publishing content from others did you write the plugin or use someone elses?

emp

Can you recommend an ROI (Return on Investment) Tool for webmasters/AMs?

I am getting so fed up and confused with monthly/bimonthly/halfyear/yearly costs and monthly/quarterly, threshold bound or not profits that I am thinking of writing one myself.


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chrislingle

I am using the feedwordpress plugin but getting no traffic, any advice?

DanNicol

Monitized by YPN and Adsense? or subscription?

Jon

What are you referring to? Be more specific.

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Jon

YPN
Adsense
Tribal Fusion
Casale Media
MSN
CPA Networks for certain products

Just to name a few.

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chrislingle

what is your opinion on datafeed sites that focus on a nitche like say only golf balls? if you use datafeeds is there something you use to make the discription content unique?

chrislingle

you had a contest were you were giving away a blog setup that could be used to pull rss from other sites I am using the feedwordpress plugin is there something better?

Jon

Honestly, we've been looking for one of these too. We just commissioned someone to merge all of the really great tools found in a lot of the analytical programs out there and just create a custom one since we plan on using it on a much larger scale, and don't feel like paying an extra $20k for tracking per month.

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Jon

niche*

You can always go the route of adding in your own content to make it somewhat unique. Adding images always helped. You can always rewrite some great articles too, just so long as you are stressing the same main idea of the original then you may be able to get the same response.

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Jon

I only use what we have. If there is something better out there, I'd sure love to know. But we stick with WordPress because it has to be one of the best blog CMS apps out there. Very underrated too.

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Brad101

What's your most successful site (in terms of uniques/revenue)?

DanNicol

with this huge niche database - are you relying on natural traffic or are you turning around and buying traffic on ppc?

chrislingle

not sure if this is a marketing question so much as a search question so if you do not want to answer that is ok. I am having a problem with supplemental results in google lateley. I have sites with original content in the sup lists like 80 of all my pages are stuck there. well every 2 or 3 weeks I have 2 or 3 days were my stuff is not in supps and I get good traffic. I have know Idea why or what I can do about it. any advice or am I just sol?

Jon

Right now, or to date? I won't be releasing my domains, but maybe the niche.

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Jon

90% natural SEO
10% arbitrage

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DanNicol

are you using seperate independent blog postings to make sure your sites get indexed?

Jon

Not sure what you're asking.. my brain is fried from the Adderall, explain more in depth what you want to know and stop beating around the bush you copycat.

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chrislingle

would you be willing to show me your wordpress plugin? the one I have is here, http://projects.radgeek.com/feedwordpress

Brad101

Now... just the niche, daily uniques and revenue, and traffic source: PPC or organic search?

DanNicol

hahahaha - I'm just leading you on - how are you making sure that your WP sites get indexed.

chrislingle

how many people do you have working for you and how do you manage your day?

Jon

Not a chance buddy.. We gave out a stripped down but very good version of it, no one except maybe Jesus himself can see our new version.

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chrislingle

not your budy! here to learn and steal what I can as fast as I can!

Jon

Best thing right now..

Arcade. (we will be ending this site in a day or two)
Daily uniques: 11k+
Revenue avg: $4.2k/day
Traffic source: PPC/CPM + returning visitors

I was thinking about writing an ebook on how to make money with arcade sites for fairly cheap and selling it for about $1k. Any feedback? It would pretty much, well, 99% guarantee anyone who follows it will make at least $10k their first month. And it won't last for more than a year, so it's a short term type deal.

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Jon

As long as you're an honest cheater, you're okay in my book.

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