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I had to go back to look and I know what it looks like but the guy is closing an expandable baton (ASP Expandable Batons) on the floor, not hitting the guy with it. The camera angle makes it look bad.

The baton is held open by friction when it's expanded and it takes a pretty good shock, like stabbing it onto a hard surface, (the floor) to get it to release so it'll close.

If you'll watch very closely, you'll get a glimpse of it in the closed position (much shorter) just before he stands up then, just before the guy in the yellow shirt steps in the way, you'll see him reholstering it.

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There's an update on this: TheStar.com | News | Border service releases report on Taser case

To sum it up the cops won't be disciplined. Shame.

AdJumpCM

You're hearts in the right place but you don't know as much about the situation as you think you do.

First, that guy was yelling and screaming for hours before the police arrived. Second, the police were around a lot longer than 24 seconds. Don't believe everything you see on the news. Third, it's unfortunate that he died but it's a fucking airport- don't be a jackass.

Would it be any different if he were in the US or the UK? No, he would have been put to rest. Don't make me start reciting previous events from other countries, you forget all too quickly that people are still people and are going to act as such when thrown into a conflict situation.

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AdJump, you are not as thick as that, are you?

This makes me sick. A man dies and the officers are not even DISCIPLINED?

Great.

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God iv seen it all,

Was out the other night, at the bars people now when they see cops

are like so you going to Tazer me now.

Silly.

AdJumpCM

I was responding to the rather ignorant and fact-deprived OP who claimed the police tazered the guy in 24 seconds. In reality, the guy had plenty of time to chill out and relax. Now, the fact that he died is unfortunate (as Tazers are meant to be non-lethal), but it's not as if they rushed in and shot him.

Now, am I bothered by this at all? No, I'm not, because what if this guy wasn't content to keep smashing and yelling? This situation could have gone a lot of different directions, and at the end of the day I keep having to remind myself that he was in an AIRPORT causing shit. Should he have died? No. I think his death was way out of line and the officers in question should be disciplined, but I also have to keep in mind that the police have to look at this kind of scenario from all angles.

What if this guy escalated and become a serious threat?

What if this guy just relaxed, sat down, and waited for authorities to help him out?

What if this guy had sought proper assistance?

What if this guy took it too far?

There are way too many angles to look at, and for the last time, no one got fucking tazered in 24 seconds. Sorry about it, but he was there for HOURS, at an AIRPORT, causing a disturbance. It's the WRONG place, especially considering all of the crap that's happened over the last few years at airports. People are already afraid enough. What did he think was going to happen? The police were going to come in and give him a teddy bear to cuddle?

So yea, unfortnuate that he died but the writing was really on the wall that something was going to be done to restrain him. The fact that the tazer killed him is also quite sick, but I really don't see how the situation could have gone another way (save from the tazer NOT killing him, of course).

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Yes, he was there for hours, trying to get help. (You do not believe he was throwing chairs around for hours?)

And the 24 seconds are the time from "Special police team" arrives to "Special police team" decides to taser him.

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The fallout from all of this has been the public inquiry into the RCMPs use of Tasers, and also a massive inquiry into the RCMP as a whole. Public recommendations were made last Wednesday to the RCMP on the use of the tasers, and while not adopting all the recommendations they are reviewing them all and have started with others.

Its too bad this happened but this is also makes me proud to be a Canadian. We recognize and acknowledge there is a problem, it gets looked at and try to make it better. Be it through public inquiries, reviews, recommendations whatever. Theres a process to get better.
Maybe because we have a national police force this is easier for Canada to implement than the US, where the different state and city police forces don't seem to always be working on the same page.
From a Canadian perspective, its horrible what happened at the airport here, but its also good that something is being done about it to rectify it.\

How many horrible things worse than this happen with authority in the US everyday? How many go unreported? And even if there is outcry in the US it jsut seems that the political machine down there just stomps it out, or risk being a traitor to your nation. Its crazy.

AdJumpCM

The bottom line here is that he guy who died did a few things wrong (I won't list them since they're common sense) and the police team used excessive force. That's not being questioned.

What I find funny now is the public outcry about tazers within Canada, even though statistically tazers cause fewer deaths than fist-fights.

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If you like to compare apples and oranges sure. The people having the fist-fights are not the same people using the tasers. Give tasers to everyone in a bar brawl and see how that figure changes.

Besides, statistics say police putting handcuffs or an arm lock on someone there are far fewer deaths compared to when they taser the person first.

Tasers have been relabeled "less-lethal" from "non-lethal". The taser doesnt kill you directly, but it can trigger a problem that does.

And now that its a fact that tasers can be lethal, their usage can no longer go unchecked. Its a helpful tool in the right circumstance. Hopefully now there will be enough paper work and reports the cops need to fill out after using a taser that they will seriously consider if it is the appropriate tool for the situation.

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No, the bad thing is, IT IS being questioned. Not one of them got charged. They did not even get reprimanded.

And please, we discussed the "don't fuck with the cops and they will not fuck with you" .. ya right.

"Don't fuck with the Gestapo" has served us well, too.

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