juniodude

yumm.. i love pigs...and i love flies!

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Jon

Congrats on accepting the Moderator position Emp.. Welcome to the team.

I think newsletters are pretty underrated ways to monetize blogs. Newsletters are good because you know the people on your site like to read updated shit. Maybe targeting offline and local advertisers to drop some change and sponsor the newsletter itself may be a good route to go. If it's just blog shit you want, you can always approach other blogs in your sector to either cross promote with a link, or stick on some PPC ads. If it's a blog for webmasters, be careful, and just try and approach services for the industry that will sponsor a spot for $50 or $100 a month. For all other blogs, advertisers are plentiful, but make a media kit for them so you can oooh and ahhh them with nice graphics, and then make it cheap for them to advertise. Always compare your ads to offline advertising when approaching local businesses, because you know they spend a crapload and get a very shitty response, so make yourself look like the god of new business.

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dicetomato

What are your big plans for the future with the money you have?

katoved

This team doesnt work full time for you I assume, is this a group of consultants?

DruSam

I did my part. Now post those links buddy!

kyleirwin

You mention 7search and searchfeed on your blog as sources for cheap traffic. I've seen horror stories of clickfraud being through the roof on those smaller, lesser known engines... do you find the conversion rates from the traffic from those engines being comparable to the traffic from the big 3's PPC services?

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Jon

What the fuck are you talking about?

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katoved

I have been thinking of newsletters for a while. Jon, do you use Aweber often, and if so what have u used it for, and how profitable has it been for you?

Numbat

I'm trying to do PPC arbitrage on one of my sites, but I managed to confuse Adsense and now I have crappy, low-paying ads on my page. Is there any way I can fix that, and do you have any suggestions for avoiding it in the future?

Jon

My goal is for my company to be making at least $300M by 2010. With the money? Not sure. I'm big on giving cash to charities like USO, and things for dog sanctuaries (I'm a big fan of dogs). Maybe I'll buy Shitepoint. I never really thought about it to tell you the truth, my goal has always been, make as much as you can now, and think about it later.

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katoved

You might be stuck with those ads for a week or more, u need to do more keyword research and insure that those good keywords get picked up.

kyleirwin

I'm about to go take a shit and won't be back 'till after this is over so I might as well ask now...

Assuming that 7search and searchfeed convert well for you... care to share any other sources for arbitrage traffic?

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Jon

It's a group of some guys I have been good buddies with for many many years. When I need something done, they are there for me, and the same goes for me for them. I don't pay for the information, they supply it for free. That's what friends do, favors with no strings attached.

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dicetomato

How many companies do you own?

katoved

Jon you suck, 300 million, ha! Expedia.com does over 500 million in revenue every three months, and I own a small percentage of that company! But then again, their market cap is around 3 billion. So I guess that will make you almost a billionaire; like me, if you get listed on the NASDAQ too. Oh, I forgot to mention that I only own 100 shares. So I guess you don't really suck, hahahhaa.

juniodude

do you determine what adsense keywords will pay higher than others?

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If you go parachuting, and your parachute doesn't open,and your friends are all watching you fall, I think a funny gag would be to pretend you were swimming.

Jon

For arbitrage, the small engines are your friends, for anything else, except maybe newsletter signups, they suck a big fat dick. As for horror stories, yeah, I have some too from them, but that's also because I tried using them for CPA deals, which is horrible. Get a program that monitors clickfraud and talk to them about it, they are generally VERY good about refunding credits.

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Josh P

Hmm... Do you buy links from sites (Adbrite, etc) for arbitrage or no?
Also, what the heck happened to your MS train endeavors????

KSRothwell

Sorry I wasn’t clear there. I was wondering if you could give a good example of an adword ad. The blue widgets was just some random theme I came up with.

Jon

I signed up for it a month or two ago to use for members here, but never got around to it. I still need to get a template designed and figure out what the hell I can even write to update people on. All I know, is that it won't be for an ebook like other people did..

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emp

I read somewhere (too tired to look it up now) that google does not allow other contextual ads on sites with adsense.

How about the new Amazon - contextual ads? Are those OK?

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PS: With all the time wasted here, I might as well moderate if you deem me fit for the job

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That's because all programmers are also ninjas.(but not all ninjas are programmers) - LogicFlux

Blind Ape Seo

Jon

Um.. stop it I guess? I don't really know what you mean.

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dicetomato

I can answer that emp. No, those aren't allowed.

Brad101

Your thoughts on new and emerging niches...

katoved

Jon,

I own the following clickfraud domains:

AdSenseClickfraud.com
AdwordsClickFraud.com
ArtificialClicks.com
ArtificialClick.com
BogusClicks.com
ClickCheater.com
ClickFraudAbuse.com
ClickfraudAnalysis.com
ClickFraudBook.com
ClickFrauder.com
ClickFraudInformation.com
ClickFraudInvestigation.com
ClickFraudScams.com
CounterfeitClicks.com
etc.... about 40 more.

How should I develop all these sites into a click fraud niche? Interested in buying any of my domain names? I am a little lost as to what I should provide on the site? Also, I don't know why I registered so many domains, hahhaa, but what should I do with them all? They are pretty good names.

Jon

Thanks for sharing, don't forget to wipe and wash your hands tough guy. How's that for advice?

Those two are the best to use. Hands down. There are 100's of others too, but I haven't even scratched the surface with them. If you try something and it works, don't be a hog, and share it here. There is enough room for 20 million people to do arbitrage on a fulltime basis.

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emp

Arrrghhh...

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I thought so.. blargh....
On the other hand, it makes some other decisions easier.
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Blind Ape Seo

Numbat

Sorry not to be clear. Basically, I'm trying to do PPC arbitrage. I made my site targeting expensive keywords, but instead of showing ads for those keywords, Adsense is showing marginally related but much-less-expensive ads. I'm wondering what strategies you'd be willing to share for getting Adsense to display ads for the expensive keywords.

John

goddam that is sad.

Jon

Not many anymore. I just recently phased them out, so I'm down to 2 primaries and hope to keep it this way for a very long time. I found the best partner I could ever hope for, and there is no reason or drive for me to ever do business alone again. Without getting too gay, we are seriously the best team ever. I am great at everything he isn't, and vice versa, but we are both ex pro-seo's and we've both been in the game for a damn long time. We also share the same views both politcally and business wise. If he lived in NYC then I would make a huge office here, but I guess we have to have two, one in CA and one here. As time goes by I'll make my company more publicly known and the office locations so people can stop in when they are visiting and pickup some free shit or lunch on me. Remember.. I'm just a regular guy like you guys, but I took this business seriously and decided to put the effort and cash into it that requires me to make this my full time gig.

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katoved

Thats not sad, I have friends that would kill for the amount and quality of ass I get.

Jon

Alright.. now it's over. Everyone can still post, but no more questions. Thanks again for participating. I hope everyone gets some good knowledge out of these things, because they are a lot of fun and give me one hell of a rush.

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dicetomato

Thank you for answering all of my questions. It was much appreciated

juniodude

i know this might seem to be a stupid question...but just making sure.

if i made a PPC arbitrage site(simple and incorporated ads pretty well), would using wordpress in anyways play with my CTR's?

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Jon

I'm going out for a smoke, I'll be back shortly to answer the rest of the questions.

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Jon

VOID QUESTION BITCH!

But seriously, post it in a new thread please.

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Andrew

For anyone interested, read this post: http://www.shoemoney.com/2005/05/14/...-your-website/
and listen to the 06/13/2006 episode of shoemoney's net income show.

kyleirwin

Good read. The shows with the Pepperjam search guy are also good for those interested in arbitrage.

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Jon

I'm on that show too, as a caller though. Jeremy also plugged Wickedfire a few times.

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Jon

Finally Josh the designer joins.. about fucking time man! But you're still a one post wonder for now.

AdBrite is a good place for cheap traffic when you want to target entertainment style sites and that elusive demographic of 18-34 year old males in the US. I have tried them for telecom and it didn't do very well, but that's also because the offer isn't designed for the internet, which is why I dropped them altogether.

As for my huge myspace plans, it got scrapped. I quickly realized that there is more untapped cash in the projects I am doing now than with shitty sites like the ones made for myspace. I still have the sites, but I don't even use them anymore. I think I'll either sell them or give them away in a contest or some shit.

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Jon

Well, they are a huge company with lots and lots of smart people working for them. For my company, it's two people in charge, one US employee (just hired), and about 45 foreigners doing the grunt work for us. My goal is to become the largest private affiliate company in the industry. Also, unlike them, I will NEVER take my company public.

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Jon

We try to, it's pretty tough to guage which ads will do better than others since there is no realy way for us to tell who pays what. But we have some really sweet new custom programs being made to help us out in that dept, as far as monetizing goes at least.

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Jon

I really don't have anything to show you. Ask around, maybe someone else can point you in the right direction.

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Jon

Hmm.. well I think anything geared towards the gaming industry for consoles and games for PS3 is going to be huge very soon. Maybe doing a review site on the games that are going to be released, along with cheats, tips and screen shots for them would be a cool new site to make. But I'm sure people are already doing that.

This may not be an emerging market, but focusing on business to business services for arbitrage would probably be a sweet idea. Maybe even making a forum or more of an old school BBS for people to post industry ideas or maybe a news resource site for particular industries would be a very smart way to go. The B2B industry is fucking massive, and since affiliate networks generally don't target the major things out there, the market is pretty untapped from that standpoint.

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Jon

I'm not interested in buying anything in that market, but maybe what you should do is commission a script or software to a programmer and have them make a click fraud tool, and then just sell that through affiliates or clickbank. Similar to all of those "error fixing" and "spyware finder" apps that are all over the place. Just make every site a little different, and some cheaper and some more expensive. In turn, you'll be creating and dominating for your own niche.

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Jon

Try adding more expensive keywords to your content, title tags and header tags. If the niche itself is an expensive one, then you will figure it out soon enough. If it's not, set it aside, do something easier, and come back to it when you are more experienced with it.

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Jon

No. WordPress is one of the best platforms out there, because you don't have to follow the WP template rules. You can customize it anyway you like. Do some reading up on it, or outsource it for $30 or so for someone to make you exactly what you need.

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Jon

Alright, closing this thread now. Thanks again for all the questions and be sure to promote WickedFire and use the lightning round as a selling point, because let's face it, these things rock, and the more people means more questions, and that means more answers for some great information for the entire community.

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