themadpaddy

Yeah, so I know I'm probably opening up a big can of worms here, but this is something I came across:

Report Describes Systematic White House Effort to Manipulate Climate Change Science :: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform :: United States House of Representatives

PDF of report: http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071210101633.pdf


Anyway after reading this stuff, I figured the more people I could show the better. This basically offers proof that the White House is controlling the media and dumbing down America (big surprise huh?).

I'm hoping to hear what some Wicked Fire members have to say about this. Politics is something that interests me, so this is a very interesting topic and report to me, and the more people that know how the gov't is being run, the better IMO.

Deliguy

yeah we're predominantly ron paul fans here for the most part.

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themadpaddy

Phew.

That makes me feel a bit better about posting this then. thx.

Phre0nBurn

I believe it. I quit listening to the government, and trusting them, a few years ago.

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droplister

History shouts "the White House lies!" Not much investigation req. for that.

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Drake

I would be more surprised if they told the truth.

FreeKill

I believe it too. The government is nothing but lies. Hopefully enough people vote for Ron Paul to actually make a statement...

colts

i am surprised it took 16 months to figure it out. just go back to 2003 when there was no WMDs in iraq but the white house said there was... it was a lie! which means the white house lied, which makes them liars. 35 seconds is all it should have taken the investigation team.

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Drake

Not only do they lie but their administration are chosen for being stupid and not questioning the party line.

Here is a story about THE press secretary not knowing what the Cuban Missle Crisis is:
The Raw Story | White House press secretary admits she didn't know what Cuban Missile Crisis was

I know she was not born yet, but Christ she is the press secretary not a "Spice Girl". She needs to know these things.

I guess any smart person would not take the job of Press secretary.

themadpaddy

Fair enough, we all know we're being lied to.

The thing is though, now there is solid proof instead of just speculation.

And what they're lying about, Global Warming.

I honestly thought, according to all the recent scientific findings, that Global Warming was bullshit. Now I find out that it's actually probably true.

What a fucked up country I live in...

themadpaddy

BTW, is anybody reading PDF or links I posted, or are we just gonna' have a good ol' fashion Bush bashin'?

Either way I'm good, but the whole point of me even starting this thread was to PROVE to everyone here that the media is being controlled and we have to research shit ourselves, and QUESTION EVERYTHING.

steveyoung

The article is just more liberal propaganda. It only proves that Henry Waxman is a Democrat. Doing research yourself is not a bad idea if you are not an idiot. By the way, you don’t have to live in this “fucked up country.” There are plenty of countries you could move too. Why not try Mexico. I hear good things about that one.

Grafix

Good grief. It took some dumbass 16 months to figure this out.

Didn't POTUS tell us he was eliminating the friggen IRS? That's another lie

themadpaddy

What the fuck? Propaganda? Funny I was under the impression that the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform was "the main investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. It has jurisdiction to investigate any federal program and any matter with federal policy implications."

Huh, doesn't really sound like propaganda now, does it. And that's the typical answer, 'if you don't like it, leave'. Holy shit, if you can't see all the fucked up problems here, then maybe I'm talking to a wall. And believe me, if I could leave, I would. Perhaps I should have been more clear, I HATE the way our country is being run. There.

An investigation comes out from an incredibly credible source, and you call bullshit. Is it because you don't want to believe it, or because you just want to be stubborn?

themadpaddy

Yes, but this investigation isn't JUST about the lies. It's about the manipulation of the media to dumb down the American public. Much more severe.

And I think anyone would have to be extremely ignorant to call this an 'isolated incident.'

venrooy

No offense - but that committee is known for it's political attacks on both sides, and can not be considered "proof" of any kind.

As a matter of fact - here is the other side of this same committee:

Committee on Oversight and Government Reform - Republicans: Report :: Republicans respond to distorted draft Democratic CEQ report

http://republicans.oversight.house.g...orityViews.pdf

steveyoung

Exactly my point venrooy. Apparently, when themadpaddy talked about doing “research” he limited his “research” to reading one source before making up his feeble mind. As for his claim that the media is attempting to “dumb down the American public,” all I can say is, in themadpaddy's case, it appears to be working. Finally, again, themadpaddy says the country is “fucked up” and that “if I could leave, I would.” I suggested Mexico before. Do your thumbs work? Do you know which way is South? Are you a free person? If the answer to those questions is “yes” then LEAVE.

themadpaddy

Fair enough, perhaps I threw the word 'proof' out there a bit too loosely. I DID however read that report as well, and they are doing what anyone accused of doing anything WOULD do. The part that, to me at least, is funny is the very first sentence of the entire report:

This tells me that they recognized the investigation as being bipartisan, and after getting the results, turned it into a Democratic 'attack'.

The thing is though, that there are hard numbers, and actual testimony cited in the original report, which the Republican rebuttle admits in their paper.

The whole of both reports focuses largely on Phil Cooney and his influence on what went out to the general public, so hearing his testimony and seeing what ends up happening with this will be very interesting.

It seems to me that the original report also seems to be more direct with their quotes and exact numbers, you should check out some of the supporting documents:

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071212122744.pdf

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071212122810.pdf

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20071212122836.pdf

And another thing I forgot about, just for laughs, check this out:

I think it's hilarious that the CEQ notes say "Lead sentence is trouble, as it leans too much on science". Lol!

Anyway, thanks for chiming in and bringing that document. I'll be very interested in hearing what ends up happening.

DaveEMG

OF COURSE the whitehouse lies.

Now go back to earning money so you can shell 34% of it back to the govt.

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themadpaddy

LMAO! Are you going to continue this whole debate thing with you letting other people fight your battles, and then saying "exactly my point" or something similar like "that's what I was gonna say". Lol! Classic.

And just so you know fuck-hole, I DID read that report. Maybe you should read them both before posting opinions. It might be kind of tough though since you can't seem to read an entire post, let alone an entire report. God you're dumb.

Funny, I could've sworn I cleared that bit about leaving up, bit if you can't seem to understand it, perhaps you should finish up your high school education before posting.

themadpaddy

Hey Venrooy,

I also found this:

http://www.luntzspeak.com/graphics/L...earch.Memo.pdf

I think this sums it up pretty well also. Check it out and let me know what you think. It's by Frank Luntz who has done extensive work and advisement to the Republicans.

This is a pretty interesting source to be seeing the same stuff claimed by the Oversight Committee in.

steveyoung

This is not a “debate thing” and the comment I made of “exactly my point venrooy” was directed to Venrooy, not you. Venrooy’s claim that your source “can not be considered ‘proof’ of any kind” was essentially my point. I did not ask Venrooy to make his post but I was pleased to see others here who recognize blatant political bias.

I find it amazing that you read the report provided by Venrooy before coming to your conclusion. Even so, posting the contradictory report in your original post would have, at least, been “fair and balanced.” Even more amazing is your claim that the “supporting documents” you posted support your claim. They do not. The only thing one can logically conclude from your posts is that you attempted to spew you hatred for this country and its elected leaders where you thought no one would challenge you. You were wrong.

Finally, while I could tell you were a “man of letters” from your continuous use of profanity, this is the last post I shall make in this thread because I see no future in arguing with an idiot. Flame on!

themadpaddy

You mean all I had to do to get rid of you was to call you a fuck-hole? Huh, I'll have to keep that in mind...

I didn't post it because it's an expected thing. Of course the Republicans are going to turn a bipartisan study that doesn't look good for them and try to turn it into a 'race war'. I do see your point though, I COULD have posted it also, but I'm sure everyone probably knew the Republicans had their own story.

As far as hatred for the country, no, not at all. I am a patriot that just happens to hate where this country has gone by it's dumbass elected officials. Hating the way the country is run and it's leaders is NOT hatred for the country, and maybe you'll take a minute to put that all together in your tiny head and understand the difference for once.

BTW, maybe if you could comprehend all the things the reports are saying (don't worry, I know you probably can't), you might understand where the supporting links I posted are going...oh wait, that's right, I forgot you don't like to read. Silly me.

Get over your self-righteousness and do some research yourself to learn why your blind patriotism is ridiculous.