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elime

"So how does somebody who's an absolute genius at marketing - who wrote, literally wrote the book on it, create a platform for spamming the web?"

...Because he's a genius at marketing?

Not that I think old Seth is a genius, but what a retarded question.

I'm about 6 minutes into this, it's pretty interesting. A lot of whining so far.

elime

Ok, just finished watching Jason's presentation there.

All I can really say is that it seemed to be a sales pitch. "Here are all these sites - look at how ebil they are! Here's why...(blah blah blah spam blah blah spam). But...never fear! There's a solution! It just so happens to be Mahalo."

Come on.

He reminds me of the kid who always got picked on and hassled, and then became a hall monitor.

"We have to protect our (cyber) environment!" Well, fine, if you want to live in fantasy land. What do you think happens when you drive down the average street in any town? "Oh, there's K-mart, McDonalds, a Denny's." You think all those signs are out there to look pretty? Sorry bud, that's 'spam,' right there in your Real Life back yard. It's called business.

All in all, I found the presentation to be quite vague/opaque, slamming (more successful) business models leading up to a slick little finish to plug Mahalo.

geekcognito

His voice is exactly representative of what he is - a whiny little girl.

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MDSandB

Boooooorrrring ........

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Pheelix

Save teh intarweb for our childrens!

audax

"and you'd load an activex plug that would load a bunch of porn..."

...and your point is?

RuDeDoGg

Just took a look at maholo. It pulls results from other engines, what a spam fighter you are. Oh yeah, that's the only way people would use you're piece of shit search engine...

He's the hitler of the internets

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droplister

How dare you put yourself before others. Fascist.
How dare you make profit. Socialist.
How dare you make an open system. Totalitarian.

This guy is an asshole.

His youtube > hulu example is not an argument for his idea at all it shows how when you don't police things, the free market corrects.

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waraas

haha, he called Ted Murphy a dumb puppy.

Well, I use mahalo.com to *cough* build backlinks..

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Deliguy

did anyone else just swallow a huge loogie full of prostatism talk?

If you haven't seen the video yet I'll save you a lot of pain by summing it up.

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BeerHat

The Internet is something we have to fight tooth and nail to keep as free and open as possible. It is IMO one of the last great true democratic and laissez faire systems around. The moment we start regulating a bunch of stuff on here, it's going to fuck it all up. We've already started getting screwed with the whole gambling idiocy.

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Pheelix

I don't think it's even possible to regulate the internet, so this guy is just whining out of his ass.

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Right now this is not possible, but code is mallable and can be changed.
"Code" by Lawrence Lessig (a lawyer who does a lot of forward thinking on copyright law, internet, etc..) does a good job summing up the dangers.

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Fuzzo

Whine. Whine. Whine.

Who is this guy, and why should I care what he thinks?

Pheelix

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

This Calacanis guy will be the keynote at Affiliate Summit 2008.

I've been to this Mahalo.com-site of his (there's no way this shit gets a link) and noticed that there is no Mahalo-page for gay affiliate forum.

One can send a request, though. I think if they are flooded with requests for this, maybe it will work. I've been brainstorming some other things to request sites for:
viagra spam
Splogs
link spamming
blog scraping
free speech
2girls1cup
internet is serious business
mr. hands
pain olympics
...

jasoncalacanis

Slightly confused: are you guys are in favor of deceptive advertising/hidden affiliate links? Why not just disclose the links?

best jason

Stanley

I think our definition of "deceptive" is different from yours.

Phre0nBurn

I think its time for some Assassination Politics.

If you don't know what that is, google it and read it.

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Rob_TID

You use general attacks on SEOs, Affiliates etc to basically keep your own name in the spotlight. You create bogeymen of legitimate SEOs and Affiliates to keep your own name in the spotlight. Dare I say to make money. Your business model and public relations machine is based on fear that you create yourself in the first place.

Sure there are scumbags in those fields. Just nowhere near the amount you tell people there are so you can make a buck. You sacrifice a lot of innocent people and businesses with your broad brush strokes so that you can keep yourself in the spotlight.

You use your knowledge of the internet to bamboozle and scare people with a lesser
knowledge.

You then have the temerity to tell us that "hidden affiliate links" are your only problem.

That is disingenuous, Jason.

Your business model is every bit as scumbaggish as a spammer.

Hell, rewind a few years and your weblogs inc network even did the link spam thing that so many blog networks are famous for. Every blog linking to every other blog in the network, even if not relevant - what is that, if not spam?

People who don't buy links and disclose their affiliate links are still painted as bogeymen by your fearmongering garbage.

Rob_TID

How is this not spamming, Jason?

Mahalo, human powered scraping and the QDF algorithm | SEOptimise

Your remonstrations against guys who "allow spam" on their sites when it makes them money rings pretty hollow when it looks like you are doing the same thing.

audax

Wait a second, Jason.

You give out a speech like that, then come here trying to ruffle up some feathers and you're the keynote speaker at Affiliate Summit West?

You only care about "policing" the web to benefit Mahalo. Hypocrite.

Where on Mahalo do you disclose that the Google results benefit you monetarily?

Doubtful. I know better Jasons.

xmcp123

Seriously? If people like a page that happens to have affiliate links, they still like the page. They still enjoy the content. Who the hell cares.

Shawn Collins

There will be Q&A after Jason's keynote, so bring your questions.

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lubber

can I ask him why douche bags think he gives other douche bags a bad name?

gabibeowulfx

hahhaa .. what a little girl ... he should grow some balls .. and maybe focus on making some money

lubber

gab - 1 thing you can't say about the douche bag is he does not know how to make money

nachoninja

well, you're clearly uneducated

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Deliguy

Gotta say, I love the argument.

Are you in favor of crime? You must be if you're against me putting a camera in your home to help stop crime.

As far as large social sites profiteering from spam? hahaha idiot.

As far as social sites having a responsibility to not allow spam. Name one social site that can't be spammed. Just one All social sites are spammable, hell most are very easy. How much spam the sites get have nothing to do with how easy or hard they are to spam although it is a tiny factor. It's about priorities. One site becoming less worth it to spam will cause more spam on another site/medium/whatever. You think after all the laws, regulations, tools, and crackdowns email spammers have lost any money?

So even if you got your way to its fullest degree. It wouldn't make a bit of difference in the spamming industry. It would just make the web suck.

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RuDeDoGg

PLEASE at least choose someone before hand to debate with Jason at AS:W on this. Someone who actually disagrees, unlike the lady in the above video.

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lubber

deli - you don't really think that was the douche bag coming to this forum do you?

tombo100

Jason has been doing this stuff for years. Just before he has an announcement or major media appearance he ruffles some feathers so that people will be paying attention.

In reality it is all "nothing to see here folks, move along."

Shawn Collins

It's not a debate - it's Q&A after his talk here anybody is welcome to speak up with their wisdom to shoot holes in his argument.

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Rob_TID

And with such an obviously impartial host I just cannot understand why wickedfire members aren't jumping at the opportunity.

Shawn Collins

There is nothing to sign up for here - after the keynote address, it's an open Q&A.

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