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turbolapp · 01-11-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

ok then....

That isn't enough to get a pinky finger reattached!

Let alone cancer! Which 1/3rd of us will get in our life! and it isn't always caused by smoking, some people just get it.

Like Breast cancer. or prostate cancer... it just 'happens'

my 20 year old friend had testicular cancer

he lives in australia and could get insurance

Dude stop talking and start reading.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jared

Agreed.

I like how Hacker never addressed my post about privatized institutions and hospitals. Wait, it's because I'm right.

At the end of the day I think 77/78 is a pretty damn good life expectancy. You go ahead and live a couple extra years, but I'll be a lot fucking happier with 15% more of my money.

15% of your money hey?

I recon america having private health insurance and spending the world average on defence would give you more than 15% back alone!

I only earn money for security reasons, i rarely spend it.

If your one of those people that believes money makes you happy then either
a)you haven't earn't enough yet
or
b) your one of those lame people that always spends, and its always never satisfying.

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

I think they should set healthcare systems up like a reward system. The less you use it the more rewarded you are. I had this with a former company I worked for. Basicially I had a 2K allowance for all my small medical bills per year. And the amount left over would roll over into the next year. I could pay doctors bills, prescriptions, whatever with this amount. Basically it kept people from going to the doctor everytime they had a freakin cold asking antibotics or something silly like that. However there was the"catastropic insurance" benefit that if I needed to be hospitilized or whatever that my 2K would go directly to that, I would have to pay out of pocket like 2K more and then they covered the rest. So lets re exam this. If I maintained a healthy life style and conserved my benifits I was rewarded, but even if I got really sick, which can happen to anyone I was covered with very little out of pocket for me (in the scheme of things).

I wish the government would consider something like this.

You're not taking into account that women overall cost more than men. Not every woman wants to drink a bottle of schnapps and pop one out on the couch to save a few dollars. Nor do they want to skip doctors appointments in the first few years of their childs life.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

Dude stop talking and start reading.

You see thats the difference between me and those lame ron paul supporters.... i read!

or we can just take an Net IQ test and put a screenshot up and then winner wins the argument.

Deal? hehe

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

You're not taking into account that women overall cost more than men. Not every woman wants to drink a bottle of schnapps and pop one out on the couch to save a few dollars. Nor do they want to skip doctors appointments in the first few years of their childs life.

Where did you pull that statistic from? Your ass?

I can reference everyone of my statistics.

lubber · 01-11-2008, 01:46 PM

hacker since America has been asked to save the rest of the free world for the last 100 years if we don't spend the money on our military you will have to learn to wear a burka and remember Iran does not have homosexuals so you would be SOL

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

Where did you pull that statistic from? Your ass?

I can reference everyone of my statistics.

You ever dealt with insurance for employees at all? Ever wonder why full PPO costs more for women than men during their twenties? Ever wonder why that amount increases when the girl is married?

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lubber

hacker since America has been asked to save the rest of the free world for the last 100 years if we don't spend the money on our military you will have to learn to wear a burka and remember Iran does not have homosexuals so you would be SOL

ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Not the burka!!!!!!!!!!

Homosexuals!!!!! I must deny what i once was!!!!!!!!!

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lubber

hacker since America has been asked to save the rest of the free world for the last 100 years if we don't spend the money on our military you will have to learn to wear a burka and remember Iran does not have homosexuals so you would be SOL

America ignored the rest of the world dumbass, get it right, America didn't want a single thing to do with WWI or II. Several allies requested help but America ignored them.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

You ever dealt with insurance for employees at all? Ever wonder why full PPO costs more for women than men during their twenties? Ever wonder why that amount increases when the girl is married?

In a private health system, maybe.

But i know in public health systems men actually cost the most, because they are less likely to want to see a doctor, and therefore get more severe diseases...

like are less likely to get heart disease ditected earlier
less likely to detect cancer

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

America ignored the rest of the world dumbass, get it right, America didn't want a single thing to do with WWI or II. Several allies requested help but America ignored them.

No one asked for vietnam or iraq!

turbolapp · 01-11-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

You're not taking into account that women overall cost more than men. Not every woman wants to drink a bottle of schnapps and pop one out on the couch to save a few dollars. Nor do they want to skip doctors appointments in the first few years of their childs life.

Sorry I didn't realize I was going to have to get into my whole previous health care plan here :P

Everyone had diffrent allowances. Women got more than men, Families got more than single people. Also women's annual "well visits" were completely free as was each child's yearly visits.

I am a woman. Do you want to know how much I used of my yearly allowance? Usually no more than 500 dollars. Once they told me I would be financially rewarded for NOT going to the doctor I was like "yeah! I can do that" (I love being finacially rewarded for practical behavior) I would venture to think other Americans would do the same. And like said for the the ones that had no choice and are unhealthy they only had to pay up to 2K out of pocket (no matter how bad their issue was). That's really not that much to ask for and really does incourage people to only use the resources when they truely need them.

jared · 01-11-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

15% of your money hey?

I recon america having private health insurance and spending the world average on defence would give you more than 15% back alone!

I only earn money for security reasons, i rarely spend it.

If your one of those people that believes money makes you happy then either
a)you haven't earn't enough yet
or
b) your one of those lame people that always spends, and its always never satisfying.

Yes 15%. With all the social programs you are getting off on my taxes would surely go up 10-15%. I'd rather give that 10% to the charity of my choice than give it to the government.

I get tired of fucking supporting 18 year old girls who already have 4 kids (often with another one on the way) and live off my tax money. Let me decide where to sent that shit. And believe me, I'd much rather it go to our defense.

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

In a private health system, maybe.

But i know in public health systems men actually cost the most, because they are less likely to want to see a doctor, and therefore get more severe diseases...

like are less likely to get heart disease ditected earlier
less likely to detect cancer

I was referring to the US system, I might be an Aussie but I'm in Chicago. In public you are probably right, although the amount of time my lady friends in Australia spent at the gyno and doc is ridiculous. I used to only go to the doc for stitches, and even then, that was only if people started complaining to me about my wounds.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

Sorry I didn't realize I was going to have to get into my whole previous health care plan here :P

Everyone had diffrent allowances. Women got more than men, Families got more than single people. Also women's "well visits" were completely free as was each child's yearly visits.

I am a woman. Do you want to know how much I used of my yearly allowance? Usually no more than 500 dollars. Once they told me I would be financially rewarded for NOT going to the doctor I was like "yeah! I can do that" (I love being finacially rewarded for practical behavior) I would venture to think other Americans would do the same. And like said for the the ones that had no choice and are unhealthy they only had to pay up to 2K out of pocket. That's really not that much to ask for and really does incourage people to only use the resources when they truely need them.

Do you think people go to the doctor for fun? or when they are really sick?

The health industry wants to make you believe all this stuff about it being more expensive and pushing tax's up and people using the doctor for fun and doctors pay lowering

But you know, its all wrong!

read ANY and i mean ANY respected International Medical Journal and the scientific consensus is that socialized healthcare should be a human right.

there is empirical evidence for this.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

I was referring to the US system, I might be an Aussie but I'm in Chicago. In public you are probably right, although the amount of time my lady friends in Australia spent at the gyno and doc is ridiculous. I used to only go to the doc for stitches, and even then, that was only if people started complaining to me about my wounds.

Thats why men get more serious diseases and ultimately cost more later in life!

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jared

Yes 15%. With all the social programs you are getting off on my taxes would surely go up 10-15%. I'd rather give that 10% to the charity of my choice than give it to the government.

I get tired of fucking supporting 18 year old girls who already have 4 kids (often with another one on the way) and live off my tax money. Let me decide where to sent that shit. And believe me, I'd much rather it go to our defense.

America has a higher tax rate than most countries with socialized healthcare.

Go figure.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 02:01 PM

Anyway... i rest my case. I gotta do some fucking work!

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

Everyone had diffrent allowances. Women got more than men, Families got more than single people. Also women's annual "well visits" were completely free as was each child's yearly visits.

Sounds sexist to me.... j/k

jared · 01-11-2008, 02:04 PM

edit. nevermind. i need to do get some real work done as well

turbolapp · 01-11-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

Do you think people go to the doctor for fun? or when they are really sick?

The health industry wants to make you believe all this stuff about it being more expensive and pushing tax's up and people using the doctor for fun and doctors pay lowering

But you know, its all wrong!

read ANY and i mean ANY respected International Medical Journal and the scientific consensus is that socialized healthcare should be a human right.

there is empirical evidence for this.

People go to the doctors for the most benign reasons. Ask your doctor next time. People think doctors are god and will go to them when they have a cold or the flu, sure that the doctor can prescibe some magic pill to make it all go away. (It's a virius you morons there are no cures for viruses!) I also have a friend who is very educated but takes her children into the doctor ever week because of the latest toy recall or because one of her children is not speaking clear enough, or the other child is walking on their tip toes instead of flat on their feet....news flash! children are weird wonderful creatures they do strange things for no reason and they don't need to see a doctor because of it!!

I agree there needs to be changes in health care but you'll never get this country to agree to free health care. I'm merely suggesting a good alternative

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hacker

Thats why men get more serious diseases and ultimately cost more later in life!

Lucky we live shorter lives. My damn Aunt just turned 100, and my gran is turning 100 next year.

lubber · 01-11-2008, 02:09 PM

Insomniac - lol yes you are right, we had to be begged to come to the rescue. funny this thread started out about ron paul who is an isolationist and would like to go back to those times.

jared · 01-11-2008, 02:11 PM

*cough* yes, I agree.. back to the topic.... Ron Paul

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lubber

Insomniac - lol yes you are right, we had to be begged to come to the rescue. funny this thread started out about ron paul who is an isolationist and would like to go back to those times.

No shit right, I was in a motorcycle accident, my right shoulder and left hand were fucked, I shrugged it off, had some pretty twisted sex while in this condition, and completely ignored the problem. Back at work I was begged to go to the doc about what I figured was just bruising, turned out to be a big ass fracture in the shoulder and two fractures in me hand. Ended up getting pins put in the hand and taking a few weeks off work to recover from surgery (no one wanted me back at the office in my condition.)

Netphase · 01-11-2008, 02:13 PM

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guess what most of those countries have lower taxes too because they don't spend billions on defence!

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Originally Posted by Hacker

Remember this

America has a higher tax rate than most countries that have free healthcare! This is because america has a massive defence budget.
What are our priorities?

Please name some of these countries that you are talking about. Canada is taxed higher. All countries in Western and Northern Europe are taxed higher. Last time I was in the Netherlands sales tax was 19% and they were considering raising it to 21%. Gas tax was well over $2/gallon. Income tax was over 40%.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Netphase

Please name some of these countries that you are talking about. Canada is taxed higher. All countries in Western and Northern Europe are taxed higher. Last time I was in the Netherlands sales tax was 19% and they were considering raising it to 21%. Gas tax was well over $2/gallon. Income tax was over 40%.

Canada is taxed higher but only just! And thats only if you take into consideration personal income tax, if you include corporate AND personal tax then the US is taxed higher!

Australia is taxed lower + has socialised health, and once had socialised University
Japan is taxed lower + has socialised health
New Zealand is taxed lower + has socialised health
Ireland is taxed lower + has socialised health
S.Korea is taxed lower + has socialised health

the UK if you include corporate tax is taxed only 2.5% higher

this is just on comparison of TAX rates.

if you take total tax taken as a percentage of GDP,

the US blows the other nations out of the water

reference for all the above info is at Content not found

the OECD official site.

MORAL OF THE STORY! DON'T VOTE FOR GOVERNMENTS THAT WASTE BILLIONS ON DEFENCE.

thats about the only thing ron paul thinks government money should be spent on! not for invading but protecting boarders.

my real problem but republican conservatism

i don't mind conservatism, if its conserving the right things, but america has gone so far radically to the right, that whats "conservative" is actually pretty goddamn leftwing now relatively.

KGL · 01-11-2008, 03:17 PM

you, sir
are a dumbass

that is all

Insomniac · 01-11-2008, 03:20 PM

Australia is taxed lower? Errr.. 52% is not lower bro...

Andrew · 01-11-2008, 03:49 PM

These supposed quotes of Ron Paul's racism actually come from an article attacking black racism, which happens to say positive things about Japanese and Koreans, who were also victims in the LA riots.

After September 11th I heard lots of calls for a US nuclear genocide in the Middle East. I even heard racist jokes by certain candidates during the Republican debates just last night. Nothing in this Ron Paul newsletter (written by him or not) either calls for death to blacks or makes jokes about them (though it makes comments about *Korean* store owners who shot black looters.)

As for some of Ron Paul's supporters being truthers and neo-nazis; lets take a look at other candidates. John McCain gave a commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University (who died last year.) Jerry Falwell, who blamed homosexuals for September 11th. Other candidates too have also tried hard to pander to Christian extremists. If this is a guilt by association of your supporters, let us carefully examine all of Romney, Giuliani, McCaine, Huckabee, and Thompson's supporters.

lubber · 01-11-2008, 04:12 PM

Andrew, sorry but you are wrong, this is about many articles over a period of years not 1 article. also there is evidence that he said he wrote them. so witch is it, did he write the newsletter or pay someone who he now can't find who wrote the newsletter for years with all kinds of crazyness in them. REally? this is your hero?

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Insomniac

Australia is taxed lower? Errr.. 52% is not lower bro...

Do you want to read any report written by the OECD in the last 15 years?

i even directed you strait to the website above... go on click on it

do you want me to upload the .pdf perhaps?

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

These supposed quotes of Ron Paul's racism actually come from an article attacking black racism, which happens to say positive things about Japanese and Koreans, who were also victims in the LA riots.

After September 11th I heard lots of calls for a US nuclear genocide in the Middle East. I even heard racist jokes by certain candidates during the Republican debates just last night. Nothing in this Ron Paul newsletter (written by him or not) either calls for death to blacks or makes jokes about them (though it makes comments about *Korean* store owners who shot black looters.)

As for some of Ron Paul's supporters being truthers and neo-nazis; lets take a look at other candidates. John McCain gave a commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University (who died last year.) Jerry Falwell, who blamed homosexuals for September 11th. Other candidates too have also tried hard to pander to Christian extremists. If this is a guilt by association of your supporters, let us carefully examine all of Romney, Giuliani, McCaine, Huckabee, and Thompson's supporters.

just the republican party in general.... and a good section of the democrats.... hehe

Jon · 01-11-2008, 04:23 PM

My favorite color is blue.

Hacker · 01-11-2008, 04:24 PM

I like red because apparently i am a communist because i think people should have a right to free health care. I think the only people that are off side with this idea live in america. so naturally, we are all socialists. FIDEL FIDEL!

Andrew · 01-11-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lubber

Andrew, sorry but you are wrong, this is about many articles over a period of years not 1 article. also there is evidence that he said he wrote them. so witch is it, did he write the newsletter or pay someone who he now can't find who wrote the newsletter for years with all kinds of crazyness in them. REally? this is your hero?

Ok, did you read them all? I spent about 20 minutes reading the one I could find in its entirety. The other quotes I saw were statements about militias and some Mussad conspiracy; perhaps crazy but not racist. Post some links and I will read them.

jared · 01-11-2008, 04:33 PM

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I think the only people that are off side with this idea live in america.

Exactly.

And America is the most powerful nation in the world. It got like that with a government that didn't control people's lives or stick its nose into everything. Coincidence?

Face it, not matter what party is in office or who is controlling the congress the US is still the best country. Anyone who hates it that much should do us a favor and get the fuck out.

Deliguy · 01-11-2008, 04:40 PM

sorry to destroy the discussion.
both hacker and lubber are previously banned trolls. As if you couldn't guess (ehhh).

so they're banned again.

jared · 01-11-2008, 04:46 PM

haha o ic, it felt like I was having an argument with a brick wall anyways.

m0rtal · 01-11-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jared

Oh yes! Because loads of free health care to everyone in the country would solve everything! Our country would be perfect! Ummmm, no. That's not how it works.

If you want that sort of socialist bullshit you should move to Canada and then tell me how great it is.

Why the fuck should MY hard earned money go to pay for other people's shitty health care. If someone smokes 2 packs a day and get lung caner I don't want to give him a dime.

ffs people, look at both ends of the spectrum.

/me shakes head

I am in Canada and it is fuckin great. Yes, the wait times are long, there's no denying that. BUT if you can afford it fly the fuck out and go get whatever you need done somewhere else. If you can't afford to then waiting a few months is better than not getting treatment at all.

As for smoking we pay over 50% tax on cigarettes so we take it up the ass every time we get a pack. Yes it's our stupidity right but with all the smokers out there the government makes a shitload of money that goes towards healthcare on cigarettes alone. Same goes for alcohol which is taxed over 50% as well. And let's not mention all the other taxes we contribute as well.

I see you picked something easy though, smokers that get lung cancer. "oh you're stupid for smokign I'm not paying for your shit". Let's look at something else.

A little kid that gets cancer? You'd let him die wouldn't you asshole.
A little kid gets hit by a car? Fuck him, just bury them.

Don't even try to argue those points, your logic is "not my health problem, I'm not contributing". You are an asshole, end of story. Health care isn't just used by "smokers with lung cancer", genius.

As for "they will take you in anyways if you make only 20k" a year, that's great. But that person may be stuck with 50k or more in debt that they'll be paying off for 20 years.

Don't worry though, I do understand your overall logic. It's based on greed and heartlessness.

jared · 01-11-2008, 05:20 PM

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It's based on greed and heartlessness.

Listen here fuck face, there is no reason to get personal.

I'm not even going to argue your points because obviously you are ignorant and uneducated on how things used to be before the government did everything for everybody. But guess what, people got along just fine.

m0rtal · 01-11-2008, 05:41 PM

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Listen here fuck face, there is no reason to get personal.

I'm not even going to argue your points because obviously you are ignorant and uneducated on how things used to be before the government did everything for everybody. But guess what, people got along just fine.

You made it personal by singling out smokers as if we're the only ones that use health care and made it seem like we don't pay our share. We're easy pickins too.

Either way I won't argue this any further either. Our points of view are obviously different. I'm fine with my tax dollars helping other people and vice versa. (not to say they are always spent wisely but that's a whole different topic and every country has problems with money being spent "wisely")

jared · 01-11-2008, 05:47 PM

I only said smoking because I was trying to give Hacker an super-simplifeid example he could try to understand.

Bringing the thread back on topic for the 3rd time...

I just saw this on digg:

YouTube - Ron Paul SC Fox News Debate 1/10/2008 - on Electability

While I am not denying Ron Paul definitely did not respond well at all to the question regarding the Iranian speed boats, I think he handled this one good.

barman · 01-11-2008, 07:42 PM

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Wtf did you even watch the debate?? He got laughed at by the entire audience over his response to the Iranian speedboat question, the focus group unanimously said he lost the debate, and the only noise the crowd made for him the whole night was from his cheerleading section grouped together in the back of the auditorium.

YouTube - Ron Paul rants about Iran; Brit Hume and Romney smack him

Listen to them LAUGH at him. In the first Fox News debate, he was BOOED! Is this how you define Fox getting their ass kicked?

See this is the problem with most Ron Paul supporters I encounter. You're weak. You bury stories about competing candidates or negative stories about Ron Paul on Digg. You all at one start referring to him as "Dr. Paul"... you're like the ACLU with these coordinated index card talking points. You boast about fund raising records he sets, and then complain that elections are all about who has the most money. You storm every online or cellphone poll you can find to stack the deck for him. When there's a poll you can't swing, it's everybody else's fault. Fox is biased, the pollsters are against you, blah blah blah. There's a botnet sending out spam emails in support of him.

Do you NOT realize that you alienate people from your candidate with that shit? What that says to everyone who doesn't spend 2 hours a day on Digg is A.) Ron Paul's supporters must be immature or dishonest, B.) Ron Paul's ideas must not be strong enough to stand on their own (or against conflicting opinions) without these maniacal supporters of his and C.) Any positive poll numbers for Ron Paul must have been artificially inflated by his minions. It's to the point now where he'd probably be better off without the enthusiasm of his own supporters. Half of you come across like poster children for teenage angst, like an army of Howard Deans, you're the new "9/11 Truthers" or Area 51 conspiracy theorists. America... maybe not on your favorite social news site... but America... is LAUGHING at you. Why don't you just go to a debate and hold up signs that say "LOLFAG" or "STFU N00B", people might take you more seriously.

You've probably got 101 reasons why Fred Thompson, someone who is hardly taken seriously and took his sweet ass time with campaigning and participating in the debates, STEAMROLLED your guy last night. I don't even LIKE Fred Thompson, but at least I'm not in denial about what happened. The fact of the matter is that your conspiracy theories and Digg rings are not going to get this guy elected any sooner than denying he fell on his face last night and in the first FNC debate.

Well, that's just like... your opinion man.

I guess you watched the same debate, and you're entitled to your opinion... but Paul swept the floor with those assclowns. Yes, I love Ron Paul... No, I do not give two fucks about phone polls and digg stories (although I'll digg the occasional story or two...), but do you know who Frank Luntz is? This assclown is notorious for fixing his "random focus groups" (for example, the same guy showed up in 2 groups in two different states) He wrote the book on manipulation.

I don't get how you can say Fox is not biased? Are you out of your fucking mind? Did you read about the fiasco where they did not invite him to their forum a few days ago? Paul is the only true republican on that stage.

I will agree that a lot the internet supporters need to get off their ass and do something. Phone polls and digg stories don't mean shit.

Phre0nBurn · 01-11-2008, 08:17 PM

God, I can't read this whole thread... But let me chime in, with my "I dont give two shits who the fuck I piss off" attitude.

Who gives a shit if there were semi racial comments? So fucking what?

And someone said the word "asians" and thats racist? Shut the fuck up already...

Jesus... Get the fuck over it... Yes, Im white, and you know what? From what I see on the streets, WHITE people have less fallback from the government than ILLEGAL aliens (that's right, I said it, people that ILLEGALLY cross the border, you fucking "do-good politically-correct dipshits), and blacks!

Try being a poor white person and getting a fucking scholarship to a good U because you suffered... Bullshit, itll never happen... Now we have places back east APOLOGIZING for slavery. GET THE FUCK OVER IT!

Whites were slaves back in the day, including early America and the industrial British era... Do we ever bitch and whine and moan about that? NO.

When a black kid walks down the street in a bad neighborhood, is it WHITES coming in to shoot him, sell him crack, or beat the shit out of him? No!

EVERYONE has their own racial opinions, but in the major scope of things, IT ISNT A BIG DEAL. When I was young I used to get beat up by blacks and mexicans all the time, I fucking hate those particular people, but I could care less about anyone thats cool to me. If you are black, white, mexican, asian, jewish, or middle eastern, the only way racism will EVER affect you is if you are FUCKING RUDE.

So be polite to everyone else, and the problem is solved. RP has the best views Ive ever seen from anyone in the government. The US is a pile of shit these days, and you dipshit CNN-kiddies arent helping things.

This shit is as stupid as people having to publicly APOLOGIZE for a comment.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

bitsdawg · 01-12-2008, 01:32 AM

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Talk to almost any doctor and see how much they like the idea of government health care. They don't. They get under paid and half the time don't really get any money at all.

This is also why the majority of Canadians who need any sort of advance health care come to the United States. Because 1. Their health care sucks and 2. you have to get on a 6 month waiting list to get any sort of procedure.

That is EXACTLY what I want in America. Health care that sucks, Doctors that won't see me for month, and taxes around 50%. Sounds perfect.

And I like how you bring up the war when it is completely irrelevant to health care. I like how that is everyone's failsafe these days. When you don't have a good response, "omg but teh WARRRR!11111".

Oh, and Ron Paul is against the war anyways.

US Ranks Last In Stopping Preventable Deaths

It doesn't look like the Canadians suffers as much as some would want us to believe. They sure do a good job of distributing medications at more affordable meds too.

Honestly I live in a big metro area in the US with tons of doctors around, but unless it is an emergency, there are many specialists here that have months long waiting lists here too.

Lots of us have had to adapt to changing conditions, and I think that good doctors can find a way to survive and profit, just like we do. Many doctors (49%) in the US support the idea of a national health care system.

I think the best proposal would give a choice to individuals or companies. They can either keep what they have or buy private insurance, or they can contribute to the national plan. Many business owners support a plan like this because they would rather just kick in extra taxes than deal with the nightmare of group health. This is particularly true of small businesses, but even larger employers are frustrated with rising costs.

JMHO

01-11-2008, 01:46 PM	#56 (permalink)
lubber Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 48 iTrader: 0 / 0%	hacker since America has been asked to save the rest of the free world for the last 100 years if we don't spend the money on our military you will have to learn to wear a burka and remember Iran does not have homosexuals so you would be SOL Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 02:01 PM	#68 (permalink)
Hacker Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 49 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Anyway... i rest my case. I gotta do some fucking work! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 02:04 PM	#70 (permalink)
jared Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 / 0%	edit. nevermind. i need to do get some real work done as well Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 02:09 PM	#73 (permalink)
lubber Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 48 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Insomniac - lol yes you are right, we had to be begged to come to the rescue. funny this thread started out about ron paul who is an isolationist and would like to go back to those times. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 02:11 PM	#74 (permalink)
jared Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 / 0%	cough yes, I agree.. back to the topic.... Ron Paul Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 03:17 PM	#78 (permalink)
KGL Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 164 iTrader: 0 / 0%	you, sir are a dumbass that is all Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 03:20 PM	#79 (permalink)
Insomniac Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,079 iTrader: 8 / 100%	Australia is taxed lower? Errr.. 52% is not lower bro... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 03:49 PM	#80 (permalink)
Andrew Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,046 iTrader: 0 / 0%	These supposed quotes of Ron Paul's racism actually come from an article attacking black racism, which happens to say positive things about Japanese and Koreans, who were also victims in the LA riots. After September 11th I heard lots of calls for a US nuclear genocide in the Middle East. I even heard racist jokes by certain candidates during the Republican debates just last night. Nothing in this Ron Paul newsletter (written by him or not) either calls for death to blacks or makes jokes about them (though it makes comments about Korean store owners who shot black looters.) As for some of Ron Paul's supporters being truthers and neo-nazis; lets take a look at other candidates. John McCain gave a commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University (who died last year.) Jerry Falwell, who blamed homosexuals for September 11th. Other candidates too have also tried hard to pander to Christian extremists. If this is a guilt by association of your supporters, let us carefully examine all of Romney, Giuliani, McCaine, Huckabee, and Thompson's supporters. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 04:12 PM	#81 (permalink)
lubber Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 48 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Andrew, sorry but you are wrong, this is about many articles over a period of years not 1 article. also there is evidence that he said he wrote them. so witch is it, did he write the newsletter or pay someone who he now can't find who wrote the newsletter for years with all kinds of crazyness in them. REally? this is your hero? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Last edited by lubber; 01-11-2008 at 04:18 PM.. Reason: more info

01-11-2008, 04:24 PM	#85 (permalink)
Hacker Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 49 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I like red because apparently i am a communist because i think people should have a right to free health care. I think the only people that are off side with this idea live in america. so naturally, we are all socialists. FIDEL FIDEL! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 04:40 PM	#88 (permalink)
Deliguy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 4,906 iTrader: 11 / 100%	sorry to destroy the discussion. both hacker and lubber are previously banned trolls. As if you couldn't guess (ehhh). so they're banned again. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________

01-11-2008, 04:46 PM	#89 (permalink)
jared Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 / 0%	haha o ic, it felt like I was having an argument with a brick wall anyways. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 05:47 PM	#93 (permalink)
jared Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 104 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I only said smoking because I was trying to give Hacker an super-simplifeid example he could try to understand. Bringing the thread back on topic for the 3rd time... I just saw this on digg: YouTube - Ron Paul SC Fox News Debate 1/10/2008 - on Electability While I am not denying Ron Paul definitely did not respond well at all to the question regarding the Iranian speed boats, I think he handled this one good. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

01-11-2008, 08:17 PM	#95 (permalink)
Phre0nBurn I <3 JAILBAIT! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona-California Posts: 687 iTrader: 1 / 100%	God, I can't read this whole thread... But let me chime in, with my "I dont give two shits who the fuck I piss off" attitude. Who gives a shit if there were semi racial comments? So fucking what? And someone said the word "asians" and thats racist? Shut the fuck up already... Jesus... Get the fuck over it... Yes, Im white, and you know what? From what I see on the streets, WHITE people have less fallback from the government than ILLEGAL aliens (that's right, I said it, people that ILLEGALLY cross the border, you fucking "do-good politically-correct dipshits), and blacks! Try being a poor white person and getting a fucking scholarship to a good U because you suffered... Bullshit, itll never happen... Now we have places back east APOLOGIZING for slavery. GET THE FUCK OVER IT! Whites were slaves back in the day, including early America and the industrial British era... Do we ever bitch and whine and moan about that? NO. When a black kid walks down the street in a bad neighborhood, is it WHITES coming in to shoot him, sell him crack, or beat the shit out of him? No! EVERYONE has their own racial opinions, but in the major scope of things, IT ISNT A BIG DEAL. When I was young I used to get beat up by blacks and mexicans all the time, I fucking hate those particular people, but I could care less about anyone thats cool to me. If you are black, white, mexican, asian, jewish, or middle eastern, the only way racism will EVER affect you is if you are FUCKING RUDE. So be polite to everyone else, and the problem is solved. RP has the best views Ive ever seen from anyone in the government. The US is a pile of shit these days, and you dipshit CNN-kiddies arent helping things. This shit is as stupid as people having to publicly APOLOGIZE for a comment. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ CLICK HERE IF YOU NEED CONTENT/POSTS/BOOKS/ADS WRITTEN! AIM: MakexYouxSinn Yahoo Messenger: SinnMarketing Google Talk: [email protected] Windows Live: [email protected] eMail: [email protected] Skype: SinnMarketing

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