lubber

check this out! How can you say this man is any different than every other politician with spin like this. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Only man who can save America spins like a top while sandbagging Wolf Blitzer
I think someone on this board said something to the effect that you have to have your head in the sand to believe anyone else. Lets here the die hards defend this nut job!

ChrisS

Wow with a title like that I'm sure that article isn't biased.


Major screw-up by Ron, though.

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Insomniac

This is why idiots should not be allowed to have blogs.

lubber

ah yes, the old "you must be biased" excuse. sorry that is too easy.

Insomniac

Have you actually read any of the documents?

jared

Stop being so fucking ignorant. What part of "I didn't write them" don't you understand. In case you missed that it was 33 seconds into the video. Watch it again you douche.

I'm about to print out a flyer that says "Lubber is a big fat cunt" and post it all overy my town. So it must be true right?

Politicials' names are stamped all over stuff these days but it doesn't mean it is a representation of him/her.

It is one thing to disagree with a candidates, but slandering them shows how much of an asshat you are.

If you think Ron Paul is a nut job then, you sir, are one of the sheep. In which case I need not say more.

lubber

jared - if you hired someone to write a newsletter and put your name on it would you want to know what was in it? If you say no who is the idiot? If you are a congressman and you let someone talk that shit on your letter head you have no business picking up shit let alone running the USA!
I find it funny that most of the Paul nuts say everyone else is not capable of independent thought until it applies to them. I am not saying the man is or is not crazy but it is more than something to think about!

DruSam

Dude, I read Hot Air for comedic value. Ron Paul is racist, so why the hell is he recommending one of his friends, Walter Williams, an African American economist to be his running mate?

Do Tell: Ron Paul On Babies, Prostitution, Marijuana and Chocolate Chip Cookies - The Sleuth

Since when do white supremacists put blacks into their leadership?

Many of the economists Ron Paul cites in his writings are Jewish. Ludwig Von Mises, Hayek, Murray Rothbard. Why would a white supremacist lift these people up in high esteem?

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Insomniac

Did you know this has happened elsewhere before? The Australian candidate Pauline Hanson started her own party called One Nation which gained ground on a massive scale. When the other parties got worried they decided to dig up as much dirt on her as possible. The end result, they found a ghost-written book by her with comments which could be considered racist. Same shit, different country. You pay people to promote you, but you can't always watch everyone like a hawk.

lubber

Dru - that is not really the point. I don't really care what he thinks or says as the man is not relevant! The point is he expects you to believe he had no idea for years that someone he was paying was putting out such nonsense on his name! But to answer your question how hard would it be to say these people are great and I want them to do this that and the other until he is elected and then BAM they are all gone.
My point about this thread was more for fun to see who jumped up and down about it. Also to show Paul acting like every other politician known to man. He is no different than any of the others. The title of this thread was just to get you to look, Marketing, what?

Hacker

The guy is nuts

Get rid of govt funding to health care?

America is already bad enough being the only developed nation in the world not just have universal healthcare, yet get rid of any other small trickle of funding? You are voting for death, seriously! The average lifespan of americans is already 5 years below the developed world average!

guess what most of those countries have lower taxes too because they don't spend billions on defence!

man we gotta stand up,

Vote for the lying rich millionare of your choice! but don't vote for ron paul!

This has been a hacker public service announcement!

loyolabenson

Ron Paul Kicked Fox's ASS last night. Very good to see.

lubber

LOL I must say I love you Ronnutts passion that is something to behold!

Hacker

Except those "comments" were said in parliament and are on the official parliamentary record and were to the effect of "I believe we are being swamped by asians"

This is when she was IN the liberal party!

if you want to search that public record go to ph.gov.au and for the 1996-1998parliament search speeches by member and then search immigration under pauline hanson.

Don't tell me these comments were made up! They were said in front of only 100members of the press and several TV cameras IN the chambers of the Australian Parliament!

"We are being swamped by asians" is racist for the record!

Hacker

look at the video speaks for itself.

jared

Oh yes! Because loads of free health care to everyone in the country would solve everything! Our country would be perfect! Ummmm, no. That's not how it works.

If you want that sort of socialist bullshit you should move to Canada and then tell me how great it is.

Why the fuck should MY hard earned money go to pay for other people's shitty health care. If someone smokes 2 packs a day and get lung caner I don't want to give him a dime.

ffs people, look at both ends of the spectrum.

/me shakes head

turbolapp

Actually quite a bit do.

(I'm not referring to Ron Paul here, I know nothing of this argument.)

Historically, it has been a smart political policy , the more questionable your racial inclinations the more minorities you fill in lead positions. Takes the heat off. Just look at Bush's cabinet. I'm not saying the man is a raciest, but I would never think of him as being friendly with the minority causes. But the best way to combat that is the put-a-minority-in-the-administration red herring tactic. Then, during the time of the presidency when you are accused of having anti-minority agendendas you just point to your own cabinet and say "Bush doesn't hate black people, cause here we have Ms. Condoleezza Rice"

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Hacker

Fine, when your Premium Private Health Insurance finds that you had a "preexisting condition" then maybe you won't think of it so badly hey?

And why should my hard earned tax dollars be going to pay for guns.

Ahh thats right, because that guarantees my hard earned dollars to tax! If we didn't have access to oil the economy would collapse

True true.... so its worth the 3500 americans lives.

go to IVAW.org
Iraq Veterans Against The War

Insomniac

It's only racist if it's not a fact. The number of Asians and Lebanese entering Australia is insane. Not that I have a problem with either race, but with the small number of people in Australia and the nature of the countries development, it becomes important to avoid too much immigration for the sake of keeping the values which founded the country alive. Sounds racist, but theres a fine line.

dogfighter

I'm not one to cry "racist", but John McCain made a comment in the debate last night that I thought was... unwise. I think the quote was something like "I don't want to trade with Al Quaida, all they want to trade is burkahs".

But did you all see the exchange between Ron Paul and Brit Hume over that incident with the Iranian speedboats taunting the US Navy ships? I was laughing my ass off over that one, there is no recovering from that.

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Hacker

Socialists? Canada? hahahahahaha under a conservative government?
I guess your going to call Bernasconi's Italy, Tony Blairs England, and every other nation in the coalition of the willing socialists eh?

Because most people don't.

I think the fact you just called canada socialist shows how extreme your views are



Remember this

America has a higher tax rate than most countries that have free healthcare! This is because america has a massive defence budget.
What are our priorities?

jared

Talk to almost any doctor and see how much they like the idea of government health care. They don't. They get under paid and half the time don't really get any money at all.

This is also why the majority of Canadians who need any sort of advance health care come to the United States. Because 1. Their health care sucks and 2. you have to get on a 6 month waiting list to get any sort of procedure.

That is EXACTLY what I want in America. Health care that sucks, Doctors that won't see me for month, and taxes around 50%. Sounds perfect.

And I like how you bring up the war when it is completely irrelevant to health care. I like how that is everyone's failsafe these days. When you don't have a good response, "omg but teh WARRRR!11111".

Oh, and Ron Paul is against the war anyways.

loyolabenson

It's more of what he represents. His message is why we are all so passionate.

lubber

Hacker you need to read this:
Tax Misery & Reform Index - Forbes.com
and then ask yourself wtf am I talking about!

Hacker

In australia the average wage for a doctor is $110K a year, I don't know what it is else where. Australia has a double public/private system. The private system covers like chiropractor, physio, dentistry, acupuncture, health equiptment.

And the public system covers hospitals, etc.

Insomniac

Dude, on the subject of universal healthcare, you do realize that in nearly all of those countries they still have private healthcare dont you? From my observations, doctors in the states want to do two things, 1) operate on anyone and everyone they can, even if the benefits are not insanely huge for the patient, 2) protect their asses because they will most likely be sued if they do even the slighest thing wrong.

I do like the service in the states, but at the same time I would prefer to see healthcare run a little less like a business.

jared

I may not of agreed with you earlier but nice link there.

lubber

lovayl - I would agree with you except you have picked the wrong leader. Ron Paul makes crazy look sane. Hell, he is 1/2 step saner than Britney Spears

Hacker

But would you not mind picking up the collective bill to save a sick 21 year old on $18K a year who was born with a preexisting heart condition or in a tragic accident?

Yeah, exactly, look at both ends of the spectrum!

Insomniac

I think you're a bit outdated bud, doctors in Australia make more than $110K. A doctor who has been practicing for more than a couple of years is normally on around $200-300K. A junior consultant starts at about $120K.

Hacker

I agree with everything in that report! Those statistics are correct. But its for Capital, not wage earners!

yeah, places with health care tend to tax the sort of people that read forbes magazine (ie over 150,000K a year) so they can pay for health care for those on 20,000K a year.

jared

That is when one of the private hospitals comes in. St. Marks, St. Judes, St. Lukes, I could go on and on and on.

All these issues were taken care of 50 years ago no problem, long before the government thought they had to babysit everyone, because of churches and privatized institutions/hospitals.

Oh and a doctor getting paid only 110k sounds like bullshit. If I spent 8 years of college/med school and another 2-4 years of residency to only make 110k/year I would be very disgruntled.

Hacker

Whats more miserable? Tax or people dieing due to lack of money?

lubber

Hacker - the 21 year old would get medical treatment not left to die, what do you think the USA is a country of heartless idiots? get your head out your ass. Sure there are mistakes but show me were there are none when humans are involved!

Hacker

I am sure people would donate, with media attention!

But the reality is this IS a daily reality....

People don't go to the doctors in america.

As someone that has lived in britain people have check ups every 6 months

bottom line

AMERICANS HAVE A SHORTER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN OTHER COUNTRIES WITH THE SAME OR SIMILAR GDP!

nachoninja

link bait

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lubber

hacker u crack me up, you have probably never been to the USA and yet you seem to think you know what you are talking about.
Also, I made over 150k last year and I will tell you this, it is not my responsibility to pay healthcare for someone who made 20k. you try and take what I worked my ass off for and you will meet my guns! See the thing is when a country starts doing that it is called France and we have all seen what that "experiment" screwed up!

dogfighter

Wtf did you even watch the debate?? He got laughed at by the entire audience over his response to the Iranian speedboat question, the focus group unanimously said he lost the debate, and the only noise the crowd made for him the whole night was from his cheerleading section grouped together in the back of the auditorium.

YouTube - Ron Paul rants about Iran; Brit Hume and Romney smack him

Listen to them LAUGH at him. In the first Fox News debate, he was BOOED! Is this how you define Fox getting their ass kicked?

See this is the problem with most Ron Paul supporters I encounter. You're weak. You bury stories about competing candidates or negative stories about Ron Paul on Digg. You all at one start referring to him as "Dr. Paul"... you're like the ACLU with these coordinated index card talking points. You boast about fund raising records he sets, and then complain that elections are all about who has the most money. You storm every online or cellphone poll you can find to stack the deck for him. When there's a poll you can't swing, it's everybody else's fault. Fox is biased, the pollsters are against you, blah blah blah. There's a botnet sending out spam emails in support of him.

Do you NOT realize that you alienate people from your candidate with that shit? What that says to everyone who doesn't spend 2 hours a day on Digg is A.) Ron Paul's supporters must be immature or dishonest, B.) Ron Paul's ideas must not be strong enough to stand on their own (or against conflicting opinions) without these maniacal supporters of his and C.) Any positive poll numbers for Ron Paul must have been artificially inflated by his minions. It's to the point now where he'd probably be better off without the enthusiasm of his own supporters. Half of you come across like poster children for teenage angst, like an army of Howard Deans, you're the new "9/11 Truthers" or Area 51 conspiracy theorists. America... maybe not on your favorite social news site... but America... is LAUGHING at you. Why don't you just go to a debate and hold up signs that say "LOLFAG" or "STFU N00B", people might take you more seriously.

You've probably got 101 reasons why Fred Thompson, someone who is hardly taken seriously and took his sweet ass time with campaigning and participating in the debates, STEAMROLLED your guy last night. I don't even LIKE Fred Thompson, but at least I'm not in denial about what happened. The fact of the matter is that your conspiracy theories and Digg rings are not going to get this guy elected any sooner than denying he fell on his face last night and in the first FNC debate.

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jared

Agreed.

I like how Hacker never addressed my post about privatized institutions and hospitals. Wait, it's because I'm right.

At the end of the day I think 77/78 is a pretty damn good life expectancy. You go ahead and live a couple extra years, but I'll be a lot fucking happier with 15% more of my money.

Insomniac

Gotta agree with that, just Google for home cyst removal videos, people don't wanna shell over the cash unless it's life or death in their own opinion.

Hacker

I was born in the USA arsehole.

So you must be familiar with the concept of profit margin then? How much do you pay on private health insurance?

private health insurance - Minus the profit margin = how much public health insurance would cost you

GUESS WHAT! ITS LOWER!
Thats how much you would pay for public health insurance.

turbolapp

I think they should set healthcare systems up like a reward system. The less you use it the more rewarded you are. I had this with a former company I worked for. Basicially I had a 2K allowance for all my small medical bills per year. And the amount left over would roll over into the next year. I could pay doctors bills, prescriptions, whatever with this amount. Basically it kept people from going to the doctor everytime they had a freakin cold asking antibotics or something silly like that. However there was the"catastropic insurance" benefit that if I needed to be hospitilized or whatever that my 2K would go directly to that, I would have to pay out of pocket like 2K more and then they covered the rest. So lets re exam this. If I maintained a healthy life style and conserved my benifits I was rewarded, but even if I got really sick, which can happen to anyone I was covered with very little out of pocket for me (in the scheme of things).

I wish the government would consider something like this.

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Hacker

Everyone needs health insurance at some point or another, just like everyone needs to use roads at somepoint or another.

Simple.

Get rid of the profit motive and its even CHEAPER.

Simple.

Hacker

Do you know how much 2k is?

Its like not even enough to get your two front teeth replaced!

Let alone discovering cancer (remember 1/3rd of us will get cancer and 1/12men will get testicular ore prostate cancer at some point in their life)

jared

I didn't say private health insurance.

Private health insurance and private institutions are different.

If you go into St. Lukes with a terminal disease or critically, they aren't going to kick out if you only make 18k a year. They take you in and figure out the details later. Many of these hospitals are run from donations from wealthy people who wouldn't be so wealthy if all their money went to government.

turbolapp

It didn't cover dental , silly. :P

EDIT: I saw you added to your post. Did you even read my post? Cancer would have been covered under catastrophic. So for the year you went through treatment you would have paid out of your own pocket 2K. (heath insurance would have covered the 300K extra or whatever) are you whining about that number?

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Hacker

ok then....

That isn't enough to get a pinky finger reattached!


Let alone cancer! Which 1/3rd of us will get in our life! and it isn't always caused by smoking, some people just get it.

Like Breast cancer. or prostate cancer... it just 'happens'

my 20 year old friend had testicular cancer

he lives in australia and could get insurance

Insomniac

Dude, some advice, get off your ass and live in another country other than Mexico or Canada for a few years. We'll see how your viewpoint changes.

Hacker

I did but you didn't read it!

lubber

Hacker, read her post, catastrophic would have covered the pinky or cancer you have the problem most left wing nuts do, you only see what you want and not what is there!