LazyHippy

How's things, Moe?

Obama seems as corrupt as the rest of them, but then hasn't this game always been about picking the best of a bad lot?

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Setec

So exactly what evidence of wrongdoing by Obama did Assblaster find? One of the people who works for his campaign previously worked for a bank that potentially did something unethical but not illegal? So what?

If you want to know what he'll do about the mortgage crisis, maybe start with the summary on his "issues" page:

LazyHippy writes:

No, it hasn't, and it's especially untrue this time.

The reason every politician seems like the lesser of two evils by the time the election rolls around is that the other side has just spent millions of dollars and man-hours trying to smear them. Imagine if someone poured millions of dollars into researching your past, everything you've ever did and everyone you've ever known, looking for anything that could be portrayed, even dishonestly, as improper. Imagine them digging through everything that everyone you know has said or done, even things you don't agree with and weren't involved with. And there's also a crowd out there just making shit up. Do you really think you or anyone you know could run that gauntlet and come out looking any cleaner than Obama? Hell, if you dabbled in PPC arbitrage the smear machines would have you painted as a spam kingpin in no time. That's how it works.

The point is that you should be as skeptical of negative claims as of positive ones, and most people aren't. Most people have a hard time believing any politician is genuinely good, but they're inclined to unquestioningly believe every negative rumor that comes their way. That's why negative campaigning and character attacks are so popular. It's hard to convince people you're good, but it's easy to convince people that the other guy sucks. That's why you have die-hard Republicans, people who wouldn't trust Hillary as far as they could throw her, eager to believe her nonsensical assertion that Obama is "all talk and no substance." They hate the woman, but they believe everything she says, if it's negative. People who fall for this kind of politics end up thinking, "oh, they're all a bunch of crooks."

That's just not true. Sometimes, people really do go into politics because they want to do good. And sometimes they make it high up without being corrupted. It doesn't happen as often as it should, but it happens. And Obama is one of the good ones. I know this from reading both his books, including the one he wrote before entering politics, various other biographies and profiles, and following him closely since 2004.

People are going to fling mud at him, but if you want to really make a good decision you've got to look at how much sense the criticism makes. Right now it's mostly just people making fun of his middle name, and coming up with these cheesy guilt-by-association scandals along the lines of, "oh! He's so corrupt! He knew a guy who knew a guy whose uncle's mechanic had a daughter who got arrested for shoplifting at a 7-11..." Everyone in politics has come into contact with, and even had dealings with, someone who's done something improper, someone who has been corrupted. It's impossible to put together a campaign staff of hundreds without hiring someone who's connected to something sketchy in their past. Unless it's a systematic pattern of cozying up to shady characters, it's not relevant. Look at what the candidate has done to judge the candidate.

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Setec

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superman

Well you prove my point:calling a terrorist the same as criminals show how low your I.Q is ...
Terrorism is not a criminal act and has never been .Terrorism is engages in war tractics for the purpose killing in the name of war for their false God ... But as I said you liberals defend the terrorist and then attack your own country with words of traitors...

A Liberal is a Socialist is a Communist ...

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cashsalute

The best way to support obama?

strap a bomb to your chest and run into a american base

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!

tweak50

And what makes you so damn positive that their god is the false one?

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LazyHippy

It seems your grasp of politics is on par with your understanding of law.

I'm not going to get into the differences between liberalism, socialism and communism - just use Wikipedia.

Under the majority of legal systems worldwide terrorism is regarded as a criminal act, regardless of whether "terrorism is engages in war tractics for the purpose killing in the name of war for their false God", or they are freedom fighters fighting for an oppressed minority (as many would view the acts of early Americans against the British) the acts they commit are criminal ones.

Why should someone who commits a crime for political, religious or ideological reasons be treated more harshly than someone who commits crimes for any other reason?

Religious extremists are only a threat to your way of life because your leaders want them to be. They've done a good job convincing the sheeple that there's a threat so they happily pour their taxes into it. Great use of money - creating a battlefield far away to create more.. I mean fight the "terrorists" - much better than spending it on actual security at borders or maybe even dealing with the root causes of religious extremist terrorism.

Look where the cash is going. Look where it went during the cold war. Baa.

Obama is making noise about diplomacy with Iran etc, I think a lot of it is just noise though. I doubt he'll invade Iraq - thank fuck - but it wouldn't surprise me if they become a friendly dictatorship again, they've got a fair bit of oil.

Maybe Obama would put some time into trying to sort out the Israel-Palestine issue, along with Bush's legacy in Iraq and Afghanistan, but most likely it'll be too little, too late.

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popeye

Obama is not the man for the job. He will broker nothing. Iran and other terrorist states and organizations do not want peace. This is provin time and time again. Israel gives up territory held by them for many years and what do the palestinians do? use the land as rocket bases to fire upon Israeli civilians. I am sorry to say the only thing that the terrorist and the terrorist states understand is the business end of a gun and Obama is not the man to give that to them. They will laugh at him.

You cannot sit down and negotiate with an extremist. Obama is nothing more than a dog to them. No negotiating...More bombing!

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cashsalute

..... Ron... Paul?

Netphase

Good question. I would like to know this also.

Setec

When in doubt, support the candidate whose supporters can spell.

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Setec

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Setec

Here's an outstanding article about one of the things that really does make Obama different from the other candidates, an important issue nobody's paying much attention to. He's committed to restoring the balance of powers in government.

Evan Handler: I Can't Believe I'm Standing Up for Obama... But I Am - Entertainment on The Huffington Post

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Setec

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popeye

Liberals won't watch fox news and I just can't bring myself to click on a link that has "huffington post" in it.

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LazyHippy

While the current regimes in Iran, the US, Israel and the Palestinian territories might not want peace, I'm sure the people do.

Many years? About 50, which is nothing compared to the millenia that civilisation has existed in that part of the world. Just compare the death count on both sides to see who is really killing who.

Many, like you, want more bombing. I'm certain the leaders understand that more bombing = more extremists = more bombing = more extremists = more bombing.... and they want it that way. But do the sheep?

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