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Old 03-15-2008, 05:33 PM   #51 (permalink)
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the site has been undergoing a huge ddos attack since about 11pm last night. So i forwarded it to whitehouse.gov. I figure if they want to attack anyone they might as well attack a government website. I may be no good at hunting them down but the NSA shouldn't have too much trouble
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US Section Code 1030.
(A) (i) knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;
Just throwing some more fat in the fire

By this thread admitted that he knowingly forwarded a DOS attack to a US gov't website. (To be honest I am not sure if the attack will actually be forwareded, depends on the attack type etc).

Since the US gov't website represents world freedom, eli is now part of a terrorist group. Infact a good prosecutor could argue, that he made up this who DOS thing just as an excuse to attack freedom.

Since eli is now a terrorist he can be detained indefinitely without a lawyer, and various methods can be used to question him to reveal valueable information for the sake of national security.

Proxy method of breaking captcha with the strip show thingie etc, was published way back, like 8 years ago.
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If it'll put some minds to rest. I'm not in any trouble. Working with law enforcement now on the attack. Also even though the attack is going to the site its no longer forwarding to the whitehouse website.
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A White House spokesman said that President Bush authorized his CIA director to confirm on Tuesday the use of waterboarding — commonly described as simulating drowning by covering the mouth with a cloth and pouring water down the throat — on three suspected terrorists.

"This program and the techniques used in it were determined lawful, through a process," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto.

Mr. Fratto also said the technique is authorized currently, but could be used in the future if a rigid set of legal and procedural safeguards are followed.
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if that youkn0w guys is legit dont forget to contact Jon for his forum access logs by him it could come in handy?
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if that youkn0w guys is legit dont forget to contact Jon for his forum access logs by him it could come in handy?
If it's really him, I doubt he's the kind of guy that wouldn't cover his tracks like that.
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i see that he has forwarded his domain to whitehouse.gov once again. the ddos that is currently running, does not go to the new IP(s) if he changes the dns. we've learned from our last mistake. no harm was intended for the whitehouse.gov website. now it has the ability to stay within one IP such as 66.66.66.66, or stay within a range of IPs such as 66.66.66.0/24. i am curious as to what happened with all the cisco protection that eli was talking about. the ddos can be stopped within minutes with a decent anti-ddos router/firewall. as for Unarmed Gunman's comment, the reason why robstool.com isn't being targeted is because that's not where he outed other people's methods. we do not care about hurting his business, we just want to make a point that outing other people's work/methods is not respectable. if somebody tells you some information that they want to be private, and you go and make it public... that kind of pisses those people off. anyway, we will stop the ddos in about a week or so (unless he gets some good anti-ddos protection before then). hopefully he has learned his lesson and will not out other people's work/methods in the future if they are meant to be private.
I have never once taken something spoken in private and posted it on the blog or even mentioned it to anyone else. I'm really anal about that stuff *giggles*. I NEVER betray people's trust. The point of the site is to help people not ruin techniques, you sound like a faggy syndk8 member when you say that. Either way no point in arguing about it. I'm in the right you're in the wrong. Thats why you'll be paying for this the rest of your life and I won't. But gunman brings up a good point, if you're going after me or trying to "teach a lesson" you're definitely targeting the wrong site. We're talking about a site I left down for over a week last september while I left to vegas because I didn't care enough about it to spend the five minutes rebooting the server. This is a site who's previous server was my cup holder at the office for a year and a half. If I had interest in STOPPING the attack I would of spent an extra $40/month and moved to a server who specializes in stopping ddos attacks already. In case you didn't notice, I really don't care about the site itself. The longer you keep the attack going the closer I come to you. In the mean time i'm going to continue having fun with it and use the time to perfect my seo empire p2 post. I may play stupid when it benefits but don't think you're dealing with amateur here. If revenge is your game you should at least know who you're playing with and at the very least attack something that matters to your target, I assure you I'm not going to take it easy on you. I will destroy everything you care about and I don't say that lightly.

In the mean time I'm off to get a keg for tonight! Happy St. Patty's Day everyone!

ps. Mr. Hacker wanna be when i get back you should have your offended "friend" IM me if he wants to talk so bad. He's still on my list. Or join the chatroom like a pussy.
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For all i know maybe this entire DOS attack is made up for purpose of link bait , sales of tools that do not work are dropping
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If the DOS attack is real then you are just as guilty if not in worse shit
Bottom line is you are a terrorist under US law. (if the whitehouse site is being affected).

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Yes and i just make sites to help horney losers relieve pent up sexual tension. Like everyone forgets about the horney loser who just can not get laid, but no i always think how i can help him.

Eli's site is a good read.
Most of what he puts on there is pretty much common knowledge but he wraps it into an intresting story.
Eli is extremely good at presentation. He is a very talented writer/promoter.

Common sense for captchas u have to seperate the letters, and then id each letter.
And probably 99.99% of people do not have coding skill to apply the knowledge anyway.

As someone said there are some that actually mine for gold
Then there are ones who lack the skills, so they just sell tools to mine gold

In the scheme of things they all server thier purpose.
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i see that he has forwarded his domain to whitehouse.gov once again. the ddos that is currently running, does not go to the new IP(s) if he changes the dns. we've learned from our last mistake. no harm was intended for the whitehouse.gov website. now it has the ability to stay within one IP such as 66.66.66.66, or stay within a range of IPs such as 66.66.66.0/24. i am curious as to what happened with all the cisco protection that eli was talking about. the ddos can be stopped within minutes with a decent anti-ddos router/firewall. as for Unarmed Gunman's comment, the reason why robstool.com isn't being targeted is because that's not where he outed other people's methods. we do not care about hurting his business, we just want to make a point that outing other people's work/methods is not respectable. if somebody tells you some information that they want to be private, and you go and make it public... that kind of pisses those people off. anyway, we will stop the ddos in about a week or so (unless he gets some good anti-ddos protection before then). hopefully he has learned his lesson and will not out other people's work/methods in the future if they are meant to be private.

So, are you 13 years old or 14?
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I find it amazing that Eli had "*giggles* and " I will destroy everything you care about" in the same post.

That's like being viciously stabbed by Hello Kitty.
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All those 6s in that IP address... someone's trying to look oldskool, BBS style, when 6s and Xs were all the rage! And let's not forget novels by William Gibson, because the future was totally gonna happen like that back in the mid 90s.
You know, I remember when hackers were a useful bunch. Groups like Paradigm, and Razor1911... Not the dicks you get today, exploiting the relatively easy vunerabilities of one of the least secure sets of OSs ever.

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Personally, I go in for a snigger, as it's much more derisive.
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If it's really him, I doubt he's the kind of guy that wouldn't cover his tracks like that.
He might be stupid enough to use a public proxy in the states, that would happily turn over their logs to anyone with a badge.
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Happy St. Paddy's Day now go get hammered

I love this drama!! Jon and Shoemoney, Eli under attack by kids.,,the White House involved..Who needs reality shows?

Anyways, just hurry up and get this the fuck over with, I miss Bluehat. The best blog around, and no, I can't code worth a shit, so the captch stuff was interesting..like Latin is interesting.

OH yeah Harvey, nice shot of the pink Hello Kitty rifle. Only in America
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From what I gathered, it was an attack done with a ton of US based botnets, very likely controlled by our comrads in Russia or some other Eastern European country. I would most likely guess it was a hired guns type of gig, where the source of the attack was actually just paid a few hundred bucks/euros to attack his server WITH a US botnet specifically to throw people off. Not sure it worked, but we must all agree, it definitely got the point across.

I personally don't care about CAPTCHAs to be honest. I'm sure there are lots of people who do care, but that's their own issue. It was definitely an attack done in bad taste, because almost all NEW and PRIVATE information comes out eventually, becomes commonly used in the community, and is then replaced by new stuff, so what's the point of trying to save the info for a few extra days or months?

A lot of you BH SEO guys should re-think your business strategies. There are so few of you really good ones in the world, collaborating instead of going to war seems like it would make much more sense from a business stand point. Just my opinion on this.
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Oh yeah.. just wanted to add something real quick...

To the guy/guys behind the attack on Eli's blog, if you and Eli want to settle the issue on neutral grounds, I'd be willing to mediate it in a private section here or live chat so that things are settled and you guys don't have to go through future shit storms like this again.

I'm friends with Eli, but I consider myself a realist, and will come up with a good strategy for both sides, however hardcore both your demands may be. You can both login completely anonymous if need be. I don't care.

I just want to get Eli's shit resolved without involving more government related issues on WickedFire. This thread has attracted enough government agency related visits and inquiries.

I also want to be clear that no mods/admins are going to ban the youkn0w guy until this is over and/or resolved, whichever comes first.
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This is good stuff. Keep us updated and fuck that 'in private' moderated shit. Hammer it out right here on the forums!
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Fuckin sweet. White house, hackers, mix in some hired guns from russia. Damn this would make a good movie
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what's the big deal?

It thought it's pretty straightforward with captchas..
Use some image editing api, train OCR on it and there you go..
And any moderate+ coder can figure out how to write code for it. The thing is you have to deal with every single captcha separtely so the question always was - is worth the effort or not? So what is the tragedy about?
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Alright, we just got a new deal whether you like it or not.

I am now holding your attack ransom. I will destroy your precious captcha industry post by post by post. How much I destroy it will be up to you. I will post up one post that'll blow up captcha breaking to every newbie in the industry for every day that your attack continues. The way I see it is, you already owe me 4 posts. So no matter what you do I will publish at least 4 posts about captchas. I just posted my first one now.

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » Captchas Captchas Captchas

Consider yourself at the crossroads. Every post will further hurt your business. You have a choice. Stop the attack quickly and take your medicine, or continue the attack and fuck your business even more. Since I know for a fact that this is a leased attack you have a third option. Keep attacking the site forever. Which since I know you can't do enjoy my big finger in your face bitch.
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I think there are a couple of guys out in the interwebs wondering whether "making a point" was such a good idea....

Eli's readers have become the real winners from their little stunt.
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hold up, why were they getting so upset over captcha stuff? some of the techniques for getting around captchas have been around for years.
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I have reasons to believe this was all plotted out by one of Eli's biggest fans/stalkers to get him to post after a dry spell.
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We will also be buying captcha decoders and releasing them openly to the general public.

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If you have them contact me thru I'm and we'll make arrangements.

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If you bomb us into the stone age, I will personally sit there and throw sharp rocks at you.

This is all too funny =)
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i see that he has forwarded his domain to whitehouse.gov once again. the ddos that is currently running, does not go to the new IP(s) if he changes the dns. we've learned from our last mistake. no harm was intended for the whitehouse.gov website. now it has the ability to stay within one IP such as 66.66.66.66, or stay within a range of IPs such as 66.66.66.0/24. i am curious as to what happened with all the cisco protection that eli was talking about. the ddos can be stopped within minutes with a decent anti-ddos router/firewall. as for Unarmed Gunman's comment, the reason why robstool.com isn't being targeted is because that's not where he outed other people's methods. we do not care about hurting his business, we just want to make a point that outing other people's work/methods is not respectable. if somebody tells you some information that they want to be private, and you go and make it public... that kind of pisses those people off. anyway, we will stop the ddos in about a week or so (unless he gets some good anti-ddos protection before then). hopefully he has learned his lesson and will not out other people's work/methods in the future if they are meant to be private.
Btw robstool is under attack..

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If anyones work he's outing its mine.. I was breaking myspace captchas when they first came out.

You have to realize everything on bluehatseo, is stuff we did years ago.

Btw, I gave eli full permission to use my method of seperating the letters (I used to do it pixel by pixel w/ Image::Magick (perl mod) ... So you can bugger right off..
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You can't make up your mind, cwazy little fella. =)
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Now this is some high level class shit. You aint going to find this shit anywhere else, wickedfire is the shit. Whats even more fucking amazing is that its b2n fucking pros. Trust me i would hate to be on the receiving end on some of this guys. Whether eli(who has more than proved that he aint your average "hello world" programmer and the pussies who are fucking with the talent behind squirt forums and wf.
Squirt has a large paid following, marketers programmers and basically guys who know their shit. Lo, behold you dont want your details out to that closed community even worse to the wf guys. Cause boy its like signing your death warrant.

Eli burn them, people should know when you have been conquered.
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For some strange reason there was a new post from BluehatSEO in my reader ( and thousands of other readers) when I got home ... on breaking captchas . What a coincidence. LOL.
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LMFAO
I can not make up my mind if this is for real, or if this is some sort of publicity stunt by eli

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hold up, why were they getting so upset over captcha stuff? some of the techniques for getting around captchas have been around for years.
Eli is a good writer.
Basically he takes articles like this
Rich Hall -- CAPTCHA (2005-12-17) (dated 2005)
and translates them into a language that mental midgets (the majority of people) can understand.
I can not find it but when captchas first came out, there was a paper about using social engineering to break them.

Nothing new under the sun
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Hey Eli, I realize this pissing contest has gotten way past just getting bhSEO past it's ddos attack. However if it's the information they are scared of, fuck em. Chunk up some mirrors all across the net and let them try to bring multiple sites down ... it'll cost them way more than just to just bluehat to it's knees. I'll gladly donate some space as I'm sure many others here at wf will do also.
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Oh Eli, I feel bad for you. You really are a good writer, and to do this to your blog is like they are "burning books."


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Yeah, but I like dessert better than dishes. Besides, the longer you wait, the more your prey drops their guard. Revenge is so much more delicious then. Been there, eaten that.

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Is it all your sites, Eli? I went to squirt.robstool.com/ and got a 404.
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Chunk up some mirrors all across the net and let them try to bring multiple sites down ... it'll cost them way more than just to just bluehat to it's knees.
You can't just do a redirect and send traffic from a ddos attack to another server. Any good trojan is going to operate 100% in the background and won't follow normal browser redirects or anything like that. I'm pretty sure 0% of the traffic from the attack on eli's server went to the whitehouse.

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LMFAO
I can not make up my mind if this is for real, or if this is some sort of publicity stunt by eli


Eli is a good writer.
Basically he takes articles like this
Rich Hall -- CAPTCHA (2005-12-17) (dated 2005)
and translates them into a language that mental midgets (the majority of people) can understand.
I can not find it but when captchas first came out, there was a paper about using social engineering to break them.

Nothing new under the sun
Nop90-- I think you misunderstood my question. I know there's been some good literature in the past (through some top name schools even) on possible methods in automating captcha processing, I was asking why the attackers were so pissed off that eli was publishing this information. Since it has been out for years, I can't see the captcha stuff as being a real reason to take down his servers.

As far as Eli spitting out old info--so what? I do agree that some of the info is repeat material, but I disagree that it should be cast aside as irrelevant if it gets the new guys in this industry through the door. I guess a lot of people in the SEO community don't want new people stepping in their niches and cutting in on their profits. While nobody likes less income, this promotes competition, which is good. Google is always going to change their algorithms to make their search better. In doing so we have to constantly keep up and come up with new ideas (you're a syndk8 member and this pertains especially to us in doing blackhat stuff.)

Progression is building on previously learned skills. You have to take what you've learned and spin it into your own idea. A lot of people joke on "Eli's followers", but if the guy can take old information, write it in layman's terms, then further put an interesting twist on the information so that people have a multitude of roads to follow, he deserves a following. I remember when Eli first launched squirt. I have since learned and built my own promotion systems, but I learned a lot through forking over the $100 a month for a couple months. I learned how to spin old ideas and make them my own. For that, eli deserves the $300 or whatever I paid for squirt.
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From what I gathered, it was an attack done with a ton of US based botnets, very likely controlled by our comrads in Russia or some other Eastern European country. I would most likely guess it was a hired guns type of gig, where the source of the attack was actually just paid a few hundred bucks/euros to attack his server WITH a US botnet specifically to throw people off. Not sure it worked, but we must all agree, it definitely got the point across.

I personally don't care about CAPTCHAs to be honest. I'm sure there are lots of people who do care, but that's their own issue. It was definitely an attack done in bad taste, because almost all NEW and PRIVATE information comes out eventually, becomes commonly used in the community, and is then replaced by new stuff, so what's the point of trying to save the info for a few extra days or months?

A lot of you BH SEO guys should re-think your business strategies. There are so few of you really good ones in the world, collaborating instead of going to war seems like it would make much more sense from a business stand point. Just my opinion on this.
I can see your point, and agree to a large extent. That being said, blackhat is a business model that operates on secrecy. Whereas with PPC a few tricks getting out there can damage you, in blackhat it can make an entire system(hundreds-thousands of hours of work) worthless in a few days. If a captcha gets changed, people can lose thousands. There's a reason people are so secretive. Beyond that, there are constant whitehat vigilantes out there to report the tricks. One person being careless and getting caught with a previously undetected trick...and bam. Gone. In an instant.
Collaboration is something that people have to be done very very carefully.

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hold up, why were they getting so upset over captcha stuff? some of the techniques for getting around captchas have been around for years.
Yes. That's true. And I don't think there was anything to fear from Eli's post. It's not about the captchas though I have a feeling. More likely, people are using the things that the captchas can get people access to, and don't want those saturated. Most people, even if they have a basic concept on how to break the captchas, never will. Until they get a poke to get them into action.

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Most blackhats are not about "exchange of information". They are about profit. Ideals hold little weight.

Ok. So don't read this as an anti-eli post or anything of the sort. I myself have posted on captchas several times, so I would be a tremendous hypocrite to criticize him. I'm just trying to give some insight into the mindset I guess.
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Old stuff made new

As to the techniques for breaking captachas being old - they are ancient - this stuff predates the internet actually. I was involved in an ocr/workflow project on Win 3.1 where we had to read hand written forms - thousands of characters per page, tens of thousands of pages weekly, and pop them into a database - instead of just 4 or 5 characters per account, and we had no trouble finding toolkits that worked pretty well even then. The basics of scan image - increase contrast - despeckle -deskew - ocr - store were old techniques even then. In fact we got out of that project because it got 'too competitive' even then. Oh yeah - the forms were in Arabic BTW.

Nothing stays secret. This asshat just needs to find a new moneymaker.
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