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Old 04-07-2008, 09:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Is it hard to get adderall prescribed?

I have problems starting and completing my projects. I don't really know if I have ADD as I was never diagnosed as a child. I'm having a real hard time staying on task and being productive. You would think, money and working for yourself would be reasons enough to work 24/7 but, I don't know why I have such difficulty.
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I have problems starting and completing my projects. I don't really know if I have ADD as I was never diagnosed as a child. I'm having a real hard time staying on task and being productive. You would think, money and working for yourself would be reasons enough to work 24/7 but, I don't know why I have such difficulty.
Not especially hard. Talk to your doc, he'll probably give you a place to get tested.
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I used to have trouble with this. I would really want to do the work I needed to get done, but 5 minutes after sitting in front of my computer and I would find myself watching ripped movies or something. Then I would go to my 9-5 the next day, regret procrastinating the night before, plan to get some great work done on my websites... and repeat from beginning.

I don't have ADD. At the end of the day it was just laziness and I had gotten in the habit of procrastinating. Habits are hard to break and only with mental effort can you do so in the end. ADD drugs aren't going to help.

If you can't summon up the willpower to break your procrastinating ways you should look into NLP (neuro-linguistic programming). I have heard a lot of good things about it.
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I have the same problem. However all I need is some caffeine and I'm good to go!
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I've really tried everything and decided to resort to meds as a last resort.

I got a new desk, laptop, tried to put myself on a schedule, I make "to-do" lists and nothing seems to work. It all worked for a while but, then I went back to my usual self. I've tried coffee, energy drinks, nothing seems to work.

It's really bad, I don't play video games at all. I don't even have a video game console. I'm not a social person so I don't speak to anybody on AIM. I literally just sit here and do nothing. I have the television on as background noise or I feel restless.

My "to-do" lists just seem to get longer and longer but, I don't do any of the work that's on there. I have problems getting a 9-5 and only would get paid around $10/hr since I don't have a college education. None of this seems to make any difference to me. I feel like when I see there is work to do, I don't know if I'm just overwhelmed but, I don't feel like doing the work at all. I even got "Leech-block" so I don't waste time reading forums. Although eventually I just started using internet explorer which I can't uninstall. All these things I've tried seem to work temporarily, then I go back to being myself.

I'm checking online and it seems it's hard to get Adderall and all the doctors seem to not want to prescribe it since they're saying it's basically legal speed.

I'll make an appointment with a general practioner, I probably couldn't even afford an actual diagnoses. From what I've been seeing it's even hard to get a diagnosis as an adult since some people are saying if you didn't have it as a child then you're not going to get it when your an adult.

I'm looking at the symptoms and many of them do describe me. Having to read the same thing over and over just to comprehend, daydreaming excessivly, not being able to start/complete projects, feeling under-accomplished, easily distracted, no motivation or energy.

I'll see what happens when I see a doctor but, for some reason I doubt that they'll actually prescribe it, probably try to put me on anti-depressants as always.
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Seriously, try out the NLP.

Also, since you have a laptop - get out of your house. I hate my house. I sit at my desk and feel like I'm getting into a rut - one of the big reasons I got into making money online was to avoid ruts. Take your laptop and go to different places. Leech off the wifi at your local library or McDonald's (almost all of them have free wifi). Go to parks with your laptop and get as much done as possible offline so you can do the online stuff when you get home or wherever wifi is.

Go to internet cafes, etc. Sit out in a local hotel's parking lot and leech off the wifi there. It seems like everyone is now offering free wifi - use that and get out.

If you just sit there it is unlikely you have ADD. From what I hear, attention deficit disorder forces you to need to be doing something different all the time. Just because you are having problems focusing doesn't mean you have ADD and that you need attention drugs.
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Seriously, try out the NLP.

Also, since you have a laptop - get out of your house. I hate my house. I sit at my desk and feel like I'm getting into a rut - one of the big reasons I got into making money online was to avoid ruts. Take your laptop and go to different places. Leech off the wifi at your local library or McDonald's (almost all of them have free wifi). Go to parks with your laptop and get as much done as possible offline so you can do the online stuff when you get home or wherever wifi is.

Go to internet cafes, etc. Sit out in a local hotel's parking lot and leech off the wifi there. It seems like everyone is now offering free wifi - use that and get out.

If you just sit there it is unlikely you have ADD. From what I hear, attention deficit disorder forces you to need to be doing something different all the time. Just because you are having problems focusing doesn't mean you have ADD and that you need attention drugs.
No, focusing problems would be ADHD. If not medicated, I'll just get distracted REALLY easy(like you have no idea how easily), and my legs bounce up and down like crazy. Well, there's more to it than that..but that's the super readers digest version.
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I still think in clownsteps case it is not ADD / ADHD. Most likely has just formed the habit of not working, and needs to break it.

But, all I know of this is what he posted....
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I do go to the library but, when I get there it's the same thing. Start people watching or do whatever except for being productive. I mean it's not to where it's a 100% of where I don't do anything but, I'm not consistently trying to improve myself. I definately put large amounts of work on the "back burner", I'll have it on my list and have to add it again to the next day, and next day, can take a week until I finally start it, if I'm lucky. Sometimes I wonder how I really get anything done. When I have had a productive day which is rare, I do feel good about it the next day, since I think about what I did. I start feeling hopeful again and feel a sense of accomplishment. Just would like to be like that everyday.

I've noticed when I finally get myself to start working it's usually at night around 10pm or midnight even though I've been infront of the laptop since 10am. Then I'll work for about an hour or 2. Although there is so much work that needs to be done.

About exercising and diet, I know quite a bit about getting into shape and eating healthy and all about nutrition. I've tried to work with physical trainers and a nutrionist to get into shape, I even have a home gym here. Although I can't seem to stick with it. I've tried on/off 3-4 times but, lately I've just kind of lost hope in it and haven't really been watching my diet anymore.

What's NLP?
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Anyway thanks for the feedback, not really sure why I'm talking about all this should just go to the doctor.
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Yeah exercise does work as does getting a good nights sleep! I bought a gadget that is NLP too it's called Mindspa and its great see Originators of the MindSpa Personal Development System - Programs by Dr. Ruth Olmstead it seems wierd but really does help you focus, sleep, switch off etc. I have also tried St Johns Wort to lift the cloud when you cannot see the wood from the trees.

I struggle still at times but thats due to distractions @ home with the wife, new born & a 3 year old thats why I am fitting out an office in the basement to set my mind into business mode.

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Doctors have tests for it, and ones that are for adults. If you have it, it's better to go through the test and know for sure and get the appropriate meds. It is an illness and it's related to certain chemical deficiencies in the brain which is why there is a huge difference after taking the right meds.

OR it could just be a very bad habit. Still, get yourself tested. You don't want to like really have ADD but let it mess your life for 20 more years and regret later on for not getting help sooner.
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Honestly, I don't know what ADD is...I'll have to google it to find out what it is..
I'm feeling a bit too lazy to do so...
Whatever it is, it does sound to be a mental disorder..
Well, consult a psychologist..
that's all I'd advise you to do..
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Seriously though, the advice about getting out of the house is the best advice.
Basically, you've mentally associated your house with being unable to work, much in the same way that people mentally associate being hungry with being near a fridge.

I get out of the house to work on my laptop as much as is possible, even take my laptop with me when I bugger off to a convention because anywhere is more conducive to working than my house (the dog is WAY too distracting and cute).
Of course, the problem I then face is that msot WiFi in Australia is locked, or has a payment portal before you can use it (the bastards!).
That being said, install a Linux boot, and find some war tools... they just slice right through most routers' basic protections.
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I quit med school to go graduate law, but here is my professional opinion after 3 years in-house.

1) Most people "diagnosed" with ADD/ADHD have just formed a anti-productivity habit. You break it by being productive when you should be productive. It's hard. It's also easier to prescribe amphetamine than get a patient through a habit-breaking regimen.

2) Whether you have ADD/ADHD or not, Adderall WILL help you get things done.

3) You DO NOT want to be dependent on Adderall to get things done. You are exhibiting the pristine-environment psychology of someone that will be psychologically addicted to it.

4) Adderall is easy to get. You will get a blood and urine test done and receive it the next visit if you don't have any problematic conditions.

5) Your doctor will typically suggest you take Strattera before Adderall because Strattera contains no amphetamine. DO NOT TAKE STRATTERA. I HIGHLY ADVISE AGAINST IT. I took it myself for less than a few weeks and the effects are HORRIBLE as well as most people that have consumed it.

PM me for more information. I have an abundance of knowlege on this topic and strong opinions from first-hand experience both with myself and inhouse patients. You can imagine how much amphetamine I took during my med studies.

Don't take more than 5mg instant release at a time. You don't want to feel euphoria nor do you need to. Amphetamine has already boosted your neural receptor "performance" long before you feel euphoric. The problem is that people assume Adderall isn't working until they feel the buzzing euphoria and this guarantees both tolerance and addiction.

If you get a prescription, DONT TAKE IT DAILY. If you really must, take it only when you "need it." However, this philosophy quickly crumbles when you "need it" more and more, hence what is called a psychological addiction. I say don't take it daily because you probably aren't ADD/ADHD. You can function in life fine, but you procrastinate productivity. That is NOT a symptom of ADD/ADHD. You do NOT want to get on Adderall for daily life functions. It is pointless and detrimental. Try and get instant release so you can pop them only when you need a good productivity binge.

Make sure you only take it for productivity reasons. Most people feel Adderall helps them socialize, enjoy the day, etc. When you're taking it before a date, you're already in too deep.

Some of this sounds bogus, but it happens to nearly everybody.

Before you get a prescription, try buying a few pills. Make sure you know if they are Instant Release (IR) or Extended Release (XR). You can pop a whole XR pill, but you do not want to pop a whole IR pill because you'd be defeating the purpose.

If you have any questions, message me. Most of the patients I worked with went down the wrong path and I have a lot of friends that abuse Adderall.
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If you get a prescription, DONT TAKE IT DAILY. If you really must, take it only when you "need it." However, this philosophy quickly crumbles when you "need it" more and more, hence what is called a psychological addiction. I say don't take it daily because you probably aren't ADD/ADHD. You can function in life fine, but you procrastinate productivity. That is NOT a symptom of ADD/ADHD. You do NOT want to get on Adderall for daily life functions. It is pointless and detrimental. Try and get instant release so you can pop them only when you need a good productivity binge.
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The XR's are pretty horrible and evil. I would advise against them if you really do have ADD, as it seems all of the real ADD folk have had very similar and nasty experiences.
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Break important tasks into 5 minute bits, setting up word press , uploading websites then 10 minute bits for 3 days.
I had the same problem and since i cant afford adderall haha i had to find another way to get things done. I hate my fucking job so well so much for getting comfortable with driving drunk people around until some bitch started cocking a fucking fun in the back of my cab. Its time to go . Just break what you have to get done into bits 5, 10 , 15 no adderall no coffee nothing just you.
Bro you really have to ask yourself if you have settled into your current life, do you see yourself down the road still doing the same shit. If you are still cormfortable with your current lifestyle then trust me you wont go anywhere, even if you glue your dick to your computer(why you would do that i have no fucking idea) you will never get anything back.
When you want to finally become fucking successful all the information you need is here on wf, aojon.com, bluehatseo.com . Trust me i learned that shit the hard way.

Dont beat yourself up if you have been working on the same job for over 3 years and have become comfortable with the kind of lifestyle the money you make allows you to have, Just start small . Get a small profitable campaign going, nothing serious and then build another and another and soon enough you will find wait a minute, i am making twice as much as i make at my fucking job without all the fucking hassle. Then just start focusing on mushrooming that into even more success.
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Thanks for all the feedback, I went to a general practioner that I see sometimes and explained my symptoms and he prescribed Adderral but, he said to take 2 a day Mon.-Fri I have a months supply and to come back in a couple weeks for a blood test.

Although, I think 2 might be too much since I hear people talking about how addictive it can get so I'll probably keep it at 1 a day - Mon.-Fri. (I haven't checked how strong it is).

As for working outside the home, I do, I'm actually at the library right now. I just get a study room and it's kinda like having my own office. I don't mind being here, and I like getting out of the house but, it's just the lack of productivity that bothers me.

Financially, I'm not even where I should be, I think somewhere in the back of my mind I got comfortable since I don't have to work for anybody but, I'm really not making that much money. I'm making enough to get by but, not living how I'd like. No emergency funds, or anything like that.

I really hope these meds will help me work and not just make me feel good and want to waste time as mentioned above. I kinda have the personality that I do whatever I want even if it's not right for me so I hope it doesn't get to that. It's not that I don't want to work, it's that I feel like I can't. Like a brickwall is infront of me whenever I try to do anything that has to do with learning or having to do with work. Maybe it's since I dropped out of college after a couple months and never really did well in school that all this learning is something my mind is getting used to?
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How about, STOP READING THIS FORUM AND DO YOUR WORK.
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I've always been against taking drugs as a mental crutch. Nothing wrong with occasional recreational use though! =)

About 18 months ago I had 20+ unfinished projects going on. I'd get into them heavily for a few days or even a couple weeks. But I rarely finished anything.

I actually felt pissed that these boring things were hanging over my head. I pushed through a few of them and began to resent my work in AM. Since I couldn't envision doing anything else, I decided to talk to my doctor (wondering if I was ADD).

My family doctor sent me to a psychiatrist. He asked me a number of questions which I answered truthfully. Because I'm not 'hyper' an ADD issue never really occurred to me over the years. The psychiatrist thought I was likely ADD but wanted to try some other prescriptions first.

Wellbutrin was the first one. This is an anti-depresent (I think). It was kind of fun to take. I got so pumped up I cranked out a 20 page guide-style website in 4 days., then finished others I had previously started. I didn't sleep for days a time. I really liked Wellbutrin, but I felt this was unhealthy. My mind was racing with ideas and I could sit down and actually finish them one at a time. Problem was I couldn't wait to start the next one and I didn't eat or sleep much at all for 2 weeks.

Doc decided depression wasn't my issue and prescribed Ritalin. This one didn't affect me at all (that I noticed). I was bummed out about it. I guess some people don't respond to amphetamine treatment and I was worried I was one of them.

So then I was prescribed Adderall. I started with 5mp and immediately noticed that I was productive for 4-5 hours at a time. The effect quickly diminished and I switched to 10mg, then 20mg (over 8 months). When the 20mg began lose it's effectiveness I figured I had a problem.

So now I only take 10mg of Adderall at a time. I always take 2 or 3 days off a week. Most days I only take 1 10mg dose.

If I am excited about a new project, I'll work on it until I can't stand it. Then I take Adderall to push through the boring stuff. This works well for me.

I'm glad I looked into it. Adderall has been good to me, but I can see how it could easily become an unhealthy addiction. Be careful with it. Try to get an accurate diagnosis for any issues you have with your life.
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I'll make an appointment with a general practioner, I probably couldn't even afford an actual diagnoses.
That's fucking shit...makes me realise just how much I take our health service for granted. Glad ya got to see the doc though, hope the prescription doesn't break the bank.

Keep us posted on how it works out for ya.
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I got the generic kind so it didn't cost too much and got 2 months supply if I take 1 a day. These are 20mg and the doctor advised to take 2 a day but, I think I should stay with 1. I took one in the evening yesterday and I did work for several hours, not sure if it was since it was my first day and I was just kinda hoping for this miracle to happen or if it was the meds. In the morning I woke up refreshed, it wasn't hard for me to get up early as usual. Hopefully after taking it for awhile maybe it'll restore any chemical imbalance I might have.
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That's fucking shit...makes me realise just how much I take our health service for granted. Glad ya got to see the doc though, hope the prescription doesn't break the bank.

Keep us posted on how it works out for ya.
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The NHS rocks matey, it's not until you move away from the UK that you see how great it was. Canada's system (Ontario OHIP) is good but not like the NHS even though it is a huge drain on the economy. Here they insist on seeing your health card before getting treated, the UK should follow suit!
Aye, I know man. Had to go to Hospital in Thailand and it was a shock getting wheeled to a payment counter!

It's not that expensive really, not when we spend billions on silly wars and bailing out banks that make stupid investments. Much rather we give free healthcare to foreigners that need it, than create a 2-tier us and them system.
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How much exercise are you getting? Exercise will help to raise the levels of dopamine in your brain that will have the same type of subconscious reward effects in your brain that adderall will give--maybe not to the same extent, but it is a lot safer than getting on adderall from the start.

If you do get on it, make sure you cycle on and off (take a couple weeks break in between prescriptions) so that you can become more receptive to the drug again when you get another prescription. I usually will take mine for 2 weeks then take a week or 2 off. It has helped to double my productivity at least, but I can see how people can get addicted to it. Just be careful and try exercise and eating healthy first before you hit up the doc.
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