Vista isn't so bad.... - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

stmadeveloper · 04-08-2008, 04:15 PM

So my laptop bites the dust and I decide it's time to just get a box since I wasn't roaming around with the laptop anyway. I'm probably going to pick up a macmini with the money I saved buying the box instead of a laptop.

Of course any new PC you get has vista on it - and I was dreading it after reading all the horror stories.

I've done some programming, done some graphics, made a video, browsed, played music, etc.... -- not a single problem.

I turned off the annoying permissions things and that's about it.

Don't get me wrong - I've got my copy of XP and a UBUNTU partition just waiting to be installed if I change my mind - but it's not that bad. Don't notice a speed issue, or anything else to complain about.

Maybe the secret is just enough CPU/memory

nickycakes · 04-08-2008, 04:36 PM

why should you need more cpu/memory for an OS that doesn't provide you with any new functionality?

my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on
never using it again.

selven · 04-08-2008, 04:41 PM

Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers

LazyHippy · 04-08-2008, 05:00 PM

I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE?

sampunk · 04-08-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickycakes

my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on
never using it again.

same shit happened to me, took it out right away

KSRothwell · 04-08-2008, 05:07 PM

I'm using my girlfriends brand new laptop running vista, and I hate it! It's a $5000 alienwear gaming rig that crashes every time we try and play anything that isn't DirectX 10 compatible. All the newer games run great, but anything that was made more then a year ago, can't be run without there being huge issues of some kind. I hate Vista.

HarveyJ · 04-08-2008, 09:08 PM

Vista isn't problematic for every day users... In fact, if you don't know much about the back end of your system Vista is perfect for you. I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything, just that Vista is designed for the VAST majority of computer users: Ones that don't actually know how to use a computer.

If you're someone that tinkers around a lot with a computers internals, or does coding, hacking, digital forensic work, BETA testing, or happen to be a serious power gamer, then Vista is a serious pain in the arse.
The biggest problem if you're a serious computer user is the way it sandboxes the entire OS so you can't fuck it up too badly (this is why it's so amazingly resource hungry).
Problem #2 is that to do this, it sucks up 200-300% more resources than a fully functional OS like that should. That you need a 2gb of RAM to run a computer at all is actually pretty stupid if you think about it.
Also, if you run a laptop, it'll chew through the battery. Running all that extra code means more processing, means more electricity used, which means more heat, which requires more cooling, which means more electricity used... It's a downward spiral that leads to poorer performance.
It also has a nasty habit of reporting back to MS what you've been up to, and if you block it at the outgoing firewall level, it throws a hissy fit and refuses to work... I get the feeling this has been implemented and MS are just waiting for the day that it's actually legal to prosecute people using info you've actually stolen from their computers.

There are other problems... MANY other problems...
But most people will never notice them, and they're starting to get into the more technical realm anyway.

johnmatrix · 04-09-2008, 11:01 AM

can you back up ANY of those claims HarveyJ?

Im no novice.. I've used osx, centOS, gentoo, redhat.. all that crap and I absolutely love vista. How exactly is it sucking up resources? dont base it on ram usage because it caches things in the ram so they load faster... it doesnt mean vista is 'hogging' the ram, theres no point leaving ram unused is there?

I ran vista on 1gb ram perfectly, recently upgraded to 2gb and noticed no increase in performance except loading times for games like crysis.

dont like the constant confirmation box popups? DISABLE UAC IN CONTROL PANEL.

Im running winamp, msn, pidgin, opera, firefox, IE, dreamweaver and photoshop and my cpu usage is at a whopping 6%, and vista is using 1.3gb of my 2gb ram as a cache, the remaining 700mb is being used for all those currently running apps. such a resource hog.. not to mention i have an uptime of roughly 6 days and it is still stable as a rock. People love to hate microsoft, thats what it comes down to.

aim · 04-09-2008, 11:23 AM

Vista really isn't horrible. It's like a pretty version of XP. I have it because I upgrade computers about every 6 months and it just comes with the new equipment.

Either way, (and geeks have been saying this for years) the OS is on its way out, that's a fact. So whether you're on Windows/Linux/OS X soon it's not going to matter.

We all live in our Web browsers 90% of the time anyway, so unless I'm coding/designing, I'm in Firefox.

emp · 04-09-2008, 11:37 AM

I just dread "upgrading" to Vista.
Why?

- Driver problems
- bloatware
- more driver problems
- DRM
- ...

And all that when I am really, really happy with XP.

::emp::

xmcp123 · 04-09-2008, 12:03 PM

I agree. It's actually quite decent. I only had one problem so far with it, and that was actually a result of hard drive failure.
My uptime is now weeks-months, where on XP the system would slow to a crawl after 3-4 days. It has a few annoying traits, but overall, I really like it.

johnmatrix · 04-09-2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emp

I just dread "upgrading" to Vista.
Why?

- Driver problems
- bloatware
- more driver problems
- DRM
- ...

And all that when I am really, really happy with XP.

::emp::

Dont know why anybody would have any driver problems except if they're using hardware from the 80's or something. Sure there WERE driver problems when it was released.. i had to wait a couple weeks for proper nvidia drivers, but theres absolutely no troubles now.

DRM is bullshit, it wont affect you. you can do exactly the same stuff you do on XP.

Dont know what you define as bloatware.. but it doesnt feel very bloated to me. You cant blame the OS for being large, it has to support millions if not billions of hardware combinations. OSX only has to support their own limited amount of hardware, and linux.. well it doesnt support hardware very well at all (ati drivers anyone?)

vista is not just a pretty version of xp.. most of the components have been redesigned from the ground up. I wish people would read about the changes that have been made before claiming its nothing but xp with eye candy.

Technical features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Security and safety features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Windows Vista networking technologies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Windows Vista I/O technologies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Management features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-Matt- · 04-09-2008, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE?

I never had problems with Win XP, and still use it on one of my computers. Other than that I stick with Linux and Mac.

emp · 04-09-2008, 12:47 PM

And the one thing they did NOT do, that they WANT to do for 20 years now, the ONE thing that would have made me preach to strangers on the street about Vista...

they didn't.

Database based file system.

::emp::

emp · 04-09-2008, 12:50 PM

I see your vista technical links and raise you some vista bad stuff:

Testing Shows XP Still Outperforms Vista - Software - IT Channel News by CRN and VARBusiness
Yahoo! Personal Finance
Vista fiasco continues with retreat to XP | Storage Bits | ZDNet.com

::emp::

-Matt- · 04-09-2008, 12:51 PM

And there's this again:
YouTube - Vista install in 2 minutes

04-08-2008, 04:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
stmadeveloper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 463	Vista isn't so bad.... So my laptop bites the dust and I decide it's time to just get a box since I wasn't roaming around with the laptop anyway. I'm probably going to pick up a macmini with the money I saved buying the box instead of a laptop. Of course any new PC you get has vista on it - and I was dreading it after reading all the horror stories. I've done some programming, done some graphics, made a video, browsed, played music, etc.... -- not a single problem. I turned off the annoying permissions things and that's about it. Don't get me wrong - I've got my copy of XP and a UBUNTU partition just waiting to be installed if I change my mind - but it's not that bad. Don't notice a speed issue, or anything else to complain about. Maybe the secret is just enough CPU/memory __________________ Black Hat Digest - Blackhat Scripts, Tools, Guides

04-08-2008, 04:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
nickycakes Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Beantown, MA Posts: 1,481	why should you need more cpu/memory for an OS that doesn't provide you with any new functionality? my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on never using it again. __________________ Nickycakes.com: Reformed Blackhat Nickycakes' Newbie Guide #cakes irc.freenode.net

04-08-2008, 05:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
LazyHippy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sunny England! Posts: 2,795	I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE? __________________ Ads-4-Dough is special Tired of seeing "this picture has been deleted..."? Use Forum Image Codes: Free Image Hosting for those tit pics! ...Too Lazy

04-08-2008, 05:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
KSRothwell The Adonis Thaumaturge Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 579	I'm using my girlfriends brand new laptop running vista, and I hate it! It's a $5000 alienwear gaming rig that crashes every time we try and play anything that isn't DirectX 10 compatible. All the newer games run great, but anything that was made more then a year ago, can't be run without there being huge issues of some kind. I hate Vista. __________________ The dot of an i is called a tittle.

04-08-2008, 09:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 2,023	Vista isn't problematic for every day users... In fact, if you don't know much about the back end of your system Vista is perfect for you. I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything, just that Vista is designed for the VAST majority of computer users: Ones that don't actually know how to use a computer. If you're someone that tinkers around a lot with a computers internals, or does coding, hacking, digital forensic work, BETA testing, or happen to be a serious power gamer, then Vista is a serious pain in the arse. The biggest problem if you're a serious computer user is the way it sandboxes the entire OS so you can't fuck it up too badly (this is why it's so amazingly resource hungry). Problem #2 is that to do this, it sucks up 200-300% more resources than a fully functional OS like that should. That you need a 2gb of RAM to run a computer at all is actually pretty stupid if you think about it. Also, if you run a laptop, it'll chew through the battery. Running all that extra code means more processing, means more electricity used, which means more heat, which requires more cooling, which means more electricity used... It's a downward spiral that leads to poorer performance. It also has a nasty habit of reporting back to MS what you've been up to, and if you block it at the outgoing firewall level, it throws a hissy fit and refuses to work... I get the feeling this has been implemented and MS are just waiting for the day that it's actually legal to prosecute people using info you've actually stolen from their computers. There are other problems... MANY other problems... But most people will never notice them, and they're starting to get into the more technical realm anyway. __________________ [fucking annoying + disturbing furry manga sig removed] ...Sign up to Affiliation Cash

04-08-2008, 04:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
selven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1	Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers

04-09-2008, 11:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
johnmatrix Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 338	can you back up ANY of those claims HarveyJ? Im no novice.. I've used osx, centOS, gentoo, redhat.. all that crap and I absolutely love vista. How exactly is it sucking up resources? dont base it on ram usage because it caches things in the ram so they load faster... it doesnt mean vista is 'hogging' the ram, theres no point leaving ram unused is there? I ran vista on 1gb ram perfectly, recently upgraded to 2gb and noticed no increase in performance except loading times for games like crysis. dont like the constant confirmation box popups? DISABLE UAC IN CONTROL PANEL. Im running winamp, msn, pidgin, opera, firefox, IE, dreamweaver and photoshop and my cpu usage is at a whopping 6%, and vista is using 1.3gb of my 2gb ram as a cache, the remaining 700mb is being used for all those currently running apps. such a resource hog.. not to mention i have an uptime of roughly 6 days and it is still stable as a rock. People love to hate microsoft, thats what it comes down to. __________________ People dont realise how much fucking money there is in shopping carts, I take em home and fix em, and sell em back to a different mall for 18 bucks. Got the 2 malls playin off each other, thats how I make my livin.

04-09-2008, 11:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
aim Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,144	Vista really isn't horrible. It's like a pretty version of XP. I have it because I upgrade computers about every 6 months and it just comes with the new equipment. Either way, (and geeks have been saying this for years) the OS is on its way out, that's a fact. So whether you're on Windows/Linux/OS X soon it's not going to matter. We all live in our Web browsers 90% of the time anyway, so unless I'm coding/designing, I'm in Firefox.

04-09-2008, 11:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,628	I just dread "upgrading" to Vista. Why? - Driver problems - bloatware - more driver problems - DRM - ... And all that when I am really, really happy with XP. ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-09-2008, 12:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
xmcp123 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: East Lansing Posts: 2,391	I agree. It's actually quite decent. I only had one problem so far with it, and that was actually a result of hard drive failure. My uptime is now weeks-months, where on XP the system would slow to a crawl after 3-4 days. It has a few annoying traits, but overall, I really like it. __________________ SlightlyShady SEO <-Read it Bitch. Have I helped you? Throw me a sign up. \|Ads4Dough \| Advaliant \| Copeac \| IncentaClick \| XY7 \| NeverBlueAds \| Aquasis \|

04-09-2008, 12:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,628	And the one thing they did NOT do, that they WANT to do for 20 years now, the ONE thing that would have made me preach to strangers on the street about Vista... they didn't. Database based file system. ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-09-2008, 12:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,628	I see your vista technical links and raise you some vista bad stuff: Testing Shows XP Still Outperforms Vista - Software - IT Channel News by CRN and VARBusiness Yahoo! Personal Finance Vista fiasco continues with retreat to XP \| Storage Bits \| ZDNet.com ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-09-2008, 12:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
-Matt- Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,526	And there's this again: YouTube - Vista install in 2 minutes

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