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stmadeveloper · 04-08-2008, 03:15 PM

So my laptop bites the dust and I decide it's time to just get a box since I wasn't roaming around with the laptop anyway. I'm probably going to pick up a macmini with the money I saved buying the box instead of a laptop.

Of course any new PC you get has vista on it - and I was dreading it after reading all the horror stories.

I've done some programming, done some graphics, made a video, browsed, played music, etc.... -- not a single problem.

I turned off the annoying permissions things and that's about it.

Don't get me wrong - I've got my copy of XP and a UBUNTU partition just waiting to be installed if I change my mind - but it's not that bad. Don't notice a speed issue, or anything else to complain about.

Maybe the secret is just enough CPU/memory

nickycakes · 04-08-2008, 03:36 PM

why should you need more cpu/memory for an OS that doesn't provide you with any new functionality?

my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on
never using it again.

selven · 04-08-2008, 03:41 PM

Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers

LazyHippy · 04-08-2008, 04:00 PM

I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE?

sampunk · 04-08-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nickycakes

my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on
never using it again.

same shit happened to me, took it out right away

KSRothwell · 04-08-2008, 04:07 PM

I'm using my girlfriends brand new laptop running vista, and I hate it! It's a $5000 alienwear gaming rig that crashes every time we try and play anything that isn't DirectX 10 compatible. All the newer games run great, but anything that was made more then a year ago, can't be run without there being huge issues of some kind. I hate Vista.

HarveyJ · 04-08-2008, 08:08 PM

Vista isn't problematic for every day users... In fact, if you don't know much about the back end of your system Vista is perfect for you. I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything, just that Vista is designed for the VAST majority of computer users: Ones that don't actually know how to use a computer.

If you're someone that tinkers around a lot with a computers internals, or does coding, hacking, digital forensic work, BETA testing, or happen to be a serious power gamer, then Vista is a serious pain in the arse.
The biggest problem if you're a serious computer user is the way it sandboxes the entire OS so you can't fuck it up too badly (this is why it's so amazingly resource hungry).
Problem #2 is that to do this, it sucks up 200-300% more resources than a fully functional OS like that should. That you need a 2gb of RAM to run a computer at all is actually pretty stupid if you think about it.
Also, if you run a laptop, it'll chew through the battery. Running all that extra code means more processing, means more electricity used, which means more heat, which requires more cooling, which means more electricity used... It's a downward spiral that leads to poorer performance.
It also has a nasty habit of reporting back to MS what you've been up to, and if you block it at the outgoing firewall level, it throws a hissy fit and refuses to work... I get the feeling this has been implemented and MS are just waiting for the day that it's actually legal to prosecute people using info you've actually stolen from their computers.

There are other problems... MANY other problems...
But most people will never notice them, and they're starting to get into the more technical realm anyway.

johnmatrix · 04-09-2008, 10:01 AM

can you back up ANY of those claims HarveyJ?

Im no novice.. I've used osx, centOS, gentoo, redhat.. all that crap and I absolutely love vista. How exactly is it sucking up resources? dont base it on ram usage because it caches things in the ram so they load faster... it doesnt mean vista is 'hogging' the ram, theres no point leaving ram unused is there?

I ran vista on 1gb ram perfectly, recently upgraded to 2gb and noticed no increase in performance except loading times for games like crysis.

dont like the constant confirmation box popups? DISABLE UAC IN CONTROL PANEL.

Im running winamp, msn, pidgin, opera, firefox, IE, dreamweaver and photoshop and my cpu usage is at a whopping 6%, and vista is using 1.3gb of my 2gb ram as a cache, the remaining 700mb is being used for all those currently running apps. such a resource hog.. not to mention i have an uptime of roughly 6 days and it is still stable as a rock. People love to hate microsoft, thats what it comes down to.

aim · 04-09-2008, 10:23 AM

Vista really isn't horrible. It's like a pretty version of XP. I have it because I upgrade computers about every 6 months and it just comes with the new equipment.

Either way, (and geeks have been saying this for years) the OS is on its way out, that's a fact. So whether you're on Windows/Linux/OS X soon it's not going to matter.

We all live in our Web browsers 90% of the time anyway, so unless I'm coding/designing, I'm in Firefox.

emp · 04-09-2008, 10:37 AM

I just dread "upgrading" to Vista.
Why?

- Driver problems
- bloatware
- more driver problems
- DRM
- ...

And all that when I am really, really happy with XP.

::emp::

xmcp123 · 04-09-2008, 11:03 AM

I agree. It's actually quite decent. I only had one problem so far with it, and that was actually a result of hard drive failure.
My uptime is now weeks-months, where on XP the system would slow to a crawl after 3-4 days. It has a few annoying traits, but overall, I really like it.

johnmatrix · 04-09-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by emp

I just dread "upgrading" to Vista.
Why?

- Driver problems
- bloatware
- more driver problems
- DRM
- ...

And all that when I am really, really happy with XP.

::emp::

Dont know why anybody would have any driver problems except if they're using hardware from the 80's or something. Sure there WERE driver problems when it was released.. i had to wait a couple weeks for proper nvidia drivers, but theres absolutely no troubles now.

DRM is bullshit, it wont affect you. you can do exactly the same stuff you do on XP.

Dont know what you define as bloatware.. but it doesnt feel very bloated to me. You cant blame the OS for being large, it has to support millions if not billions of hardware combinations. OSX only has to support their own limited amount of hardware, and linux.. well it doesnt support hardware very well at all (ati drivers anyone?)

vista is not just a pretty version of xp.. most of the components have been redesigned from the ground up. I wish people would read about the changes that have been made before claiming its nothing but xp with eye candy.

Technical features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Security and safety features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Windows Vista networking technologies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Windows Vista I/O technologies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Management features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-Matt- · 04-09-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LazyHippy

I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE?

I never had problems with Win XP, and still use it on one of my computers. Other than that I stick with Linux and Mac.

emp · 04-09-2008, 11:47 AM

And the one thing they did NOT do, that they WANT to do for 20 years now, the ONE thing that would have made me preach to strangers on the street about Vista...

they didn't.

Database based file system.

::emp::

emp · 04-09-2008, 11:50 AM

I see your vista technical links and raise you some vista bad stuff:

Testing Shows XP Still Outperforms Vista - Software - IT Channel News by CRN and VARBusiness
Yahoo! Personal Finance
Vista fiasco continues with retreat to XP | Storage Bits | ZDNet.com

::emp::

-Matt- · 04-09-2008, 11:51 AM

And there's this again:
YouTube - Vista install in 2 minutes

joshmv · 04-09-2008, 12:29 PM

Switched to macs a couple years ago and I honestly think it has been one of the best decisions I've ever made.

I won't go into all of the reasons why since that could take hours, and I'm sure some people here will disagree, but in my eyes they are better without question.

LazyHippy · 04-09-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by joshmv

Switched to macs a couple years ago and I honestly think it has been one of the best decisions I've ever made.

I won't go into all of the reasons why since that could take hours, and I'm sure some people here will disagree, but in my eyes they are better without question.

Argh! Let's not get into the old PC v Mac debate again!

While I'm generally happy with Vista, that's because I've got an ok spec PC. I personally wouldn't bother on a P4 or less, but on my core2duo (low one - 2x 1.8Ghz) with 3Gb ram (dirt cheap) and a couple of 256Mb gfx cards it runs fine. The only problems I have is a memory leak from some firefox add-on that I can't be bothered to try and identify.

I probably wouldn't use it on a laptop either if battery life was important, but I was with the anti-xp crowd back in the day and stuck with 98 for ages. It's kinda nice to get to grips with what will be (like it or not) the de facto standard OS for likely most of the next decade early on.

Yeah, it does hold your hand way too much and is overly-protective of stuff, but it's not hard to change permissions etc really. The stuff about it reporting your ever move to M$ is kinda worrying, but if they really want this info for evil purposes they'll find a way to get it from XP too.

I'm not exactly M$'s biggest fan just too fuckin Lazy to switch to Linux, although I prob will when I get another laptop. I don't doubt my PC would be faster with XP too, but I don't need it to be any faster so why take a step back? As for Macs....

Lucidity · 04-09-2008, 01:40 PM

Vista has run rock solid from day 1 and is as responsive as XP ever was for me. I mostly play games and do web dev stuffs and I've never run out of resources in any situation. Well, okay...there was this one time I was being indecisive and had 20 porn videos open at once...that slowed things down a bit.

To anyone who's going to be installing Vista or getting a new Vista machine soon: use Vlite. I shaved almost 2 gigs off the Vista install DVD with this.

tweak50 · 04-09-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HarveyJ

If you're someone that tinkers around a lot with a computers internals, or does coding, hacking, digital forensic work, BETA testing, or happen to be a serious power gamer, then Vista is a serious pain in the arse.

I am a web developer and a pretty serious programmer. I have to say that I have had zero problems with vista.

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Problem #2 is that to do this, it sucks up 200-300% more resources than a fully functional OS like that should. That you need a 2gb of RAM to run a computer at all is actually pretty stupid if you think about it.

I have vista running on a 3 year old desktop with 1gig of ram and on a 1 month old laptop with 3 gigs of ram and it runs about the same. Really the only difference I notice is start up times are a little quicker on the laptop.

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Also, if you run a laptop, it'll chew through the battery. Running all that extra code means more processing, means more electricity used, which means more heat, which requires more cooling, which means more electricity used... It's a downward spiral that leads to poorer performance.

I have no actual proof to back this, but I think the extra battery consumption is minimal compared to XP. If I get time I will partition an xp install and test this for sure because this interests me.

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It also has a nasty habit of reporting back to MS what you've been up to, and if you block it at the outgoing firewall level, it throws a hissy fit and refuses to work... I get the feeling this has been implemented and MS are just waiting for the day that it's actually legal to prosecute people using info you've actually stolen from their computers.

Yeah that is shady.

Now I'm not saying that Vista is perfect, or that everyone will like it. But it is not nearly as bad as the media has made it out to be, once the fad of bashing Vista goes away people will realize the value of it.

HarveyJ · 04-10-2008, 04:20 AM

I was going to post the links that emp did, ah well...

I had a few other articles from gamer sites, but I can't be arsed finding them
again. I'll admit, the problems I have with Vista are entirely anecdotal. It could have been the setup I'm running and that it does work peachy keen for most people. I've just heard too many horror stories to believe that personally though.

My battery life claim is based off running it on the Dell Inspiron 1525 my mother has. It was sitting on the charger, fully charged. I took it out, the battery was down to 14% after leaving Spiderman 3 on in the garage to "keep me company" as I was cleaning things out for her. The week, after installing XP on it, I plonked a cousin in front of it, Spiderman 3 again. Battery life at 33% after the movie. Not very efficient test, but it's a pretty big difference...

The resource hogging issue is based entirely around the way that the OS sandboxes itself. That should be a no brainer. Instead of making an OS that sandboxes, just make an OS that isn't so easily exploitable that sandboxing becomes a "logical" solution...
I mean, the fact that there's a feature to let "friends" remotely login to fix problems for you? Insanity!

Anyway, the 3 days I had it on my machine (again, pirated copy, maybe that the reason it fucked up?) was beyond frustrating.
Driver issues with my Wacom tablet and ActiveSync for my phone, and it refused to believe my monitor had a refresh rate of 70Hz, so occasionally I'd get that really annoying flicker.
Constant rejection of software I was attempting to install because it wasn't "Verified", as I hadn't bothered to turn my modem on (you know, sometimes, and call me crazy here, I don't want my computer connected to the net... It's like leaving the phone off the hook)
It did network like a breeze though...

emp · 04-10-2008, 05:09 AM

Thing that pisses me off mostly is that 2nd link I posted, basically stating that Windows Vista will be replaced in a year. Making this the Windows ME of today.

::emp::

tweak50 · 04-10-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by emp

Thing that pisses me off mostly is that 2nd link I posted, basically stating that Windows Vista will be replaced in a year. Making this the Windows ME of today.

::emp::

Quote:

Microsoft has said it expected to release a new version of Windows approximately 3 years after the introduction of Vista in January 2007.

I we still have a couple of years left of Vista. If anything we'll see an early beta this year. I really don't think we'll see a major overhaul in Windows until they get the balls to dump all of the legacy code and start from the ground up.

Rage9 · 04-10-2008, 02:41 PM

Fuck vista, never liked it. If I did buy a computer with it on it, you can bet I'll just install XP.

Windows 7 in 2009? Be careful what you wish for
Windows 7: The Anti-Vista? | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com
Windows 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HarveyJ · 04-10-2008, 08:01 PM

I loved that whole period on 2000-2001... THREE whole operating systems released in 19 months! Yeah, great for consumer confidence that is...

Ted · 04-10-2008, 08:25 PM

I've had lots of problems with vista though most of them are sorted out after my 8 hour battle to install SP1.
The issues I still have are the slowness of unzipping files and moving files, the unzipping is fixed by winrar but still havent worked out how to make file transfers faster.

I'm in the middle of putting together my first linux box and if all goes well, once I'm as proficient with it as I am with windows, I don't see myself using microsoft products again.......

BillyHayes · 04-18-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nickycakes

my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on
never using it again.

What a spectacular setup and install you have going there then..thats quite an accomplishment.

Try buy some quality stuff or do a proper OS install before complaining about Vista...

BillyHayes · 04-18-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mindbodysoul

yeah when you have new laptop there is already vista on it. could it be possible to change vista?i tried it already but it doesn't work. so i think only vista could make it work?

Depends on the hardware you have, and if proper XP drivers are available.

Easy way after digging tru the manufacture drivers homepage is to identify the components name (with a software like Everest for example) and look for the drivers directly

AdExhibitJason · 04-19-2008, 12:07 AM

I dont mind vista to much just so much garbage around it.

JoeHa · 04-19-2008, 12:08 AM

i would put vista and mac ox on the same level.. But never beating xp.

WebRef.eu · 04-28-2008, 01:48 PM

My Toshiba Satellite Pro Vista laptop blue screened after doing it's first ever Windows update.

The computer takes ages to boot up which is frustrating.

Generally the software seems to take longer to do things, so it feels like a step back.

Rgds

narsticle · 04-28-2008, 02:58 PM

i have vista on an HP laptop i recently bought. I was a little afraid that it came stock with VISTA but honestly its been fine.

smoosh · 04-29-2008, 10:44 AM

Frankly, I've had nothing but problems since i bought a new laptop that came with Vista. My old desktop is stable as hell and seems to work much faster with most software, that baby is running an XP Pro. I also experienced quite a few bugs with running Vista, the most frustrating of which is the security popup - the problem would only occur when the comp's been running for a while and would result with me being unable to change security settings even though i am logged in as admin. I would have to reboot the machine and then change the settings. System stability and speed is also a major issue - i disabled that stupid dynamic windows file that allowed me to preview the actual window once i roll over it in the task bar. Still, that thing is slow as hell!
i iz not a happy chap.

mason · 04-29-2008, 11:43 AM

I got a new toshiba laptop and so far so good. I only had one blue screen, but I suspect it had something to do with having too many programs on/never turning off or restarting my computer.

spock49 · 04-29-2008, 09:25 PM

I upgraded to Vista 64 bit because I wanted to take advantage of 4GB of memory.

For those using Adobe CS3 products (photoshop, fireworks, illustrator), be aware that having aero turned on will negatively impact certain functions like vector path tool, etc (at lease for me, they ran very slow with my ATI x1600 vid card)

I ended up turning off all eye candy stuff and everything seems to work much faster. I didn't want XP 64-bit because of lack of drivers (worse than Vista 64-bit).

cabron · 05-02-2008, 08:17 AM

I just hate the fact that it uses 1 GB of ram on idle. I switched back to a tuned xp with the same looks and uses 250 MB. Also game compatibility is an issue with vista.

backdraft · 05-03-2008, 01:17 AM

Vista made me remember how much i loved Windows XP.

Besides all the more ram etc that it uses as I have 4GB of that anyways......its just nauseating hehe

FSHD$$$ · 05-03-2008, 02:56 AM

I'm due for a new machine and because of what I've read about Vista I'm buying a iMac and I'm going to use Safari. I have the only Windows machine in this office and I'll keep my old PC if for no other reason but so that I can see what my work looks like on a PC but I'll be a Mac girl very soon, thanks to Microsoft.

ArtDeco · 05-03-2008, 08:52 PM

"Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers"
Err wrong. I have a brand new Dell with 4 gig of RAM and Vista preinstalled. It ran so poorly that I partitioned the 500 gig drive and installed Linux. Rarely even boot Windows anymore.

04-08-2008, 03:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
stmadeveloper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 557 iTrader: 3 / 100%	Vista isn't so bad.... So my laptop bites the dust and I decide it's time to just get a box since I wasn't roaming around with the laptop anyway. I'm probably going to pick up a macmini with the money I saved buying the box instead of a laptop. Of course any new PC you get has vista on it - and I was dreading it after reading all the horror stories. I've done some programming, done some graphics, made a video, browsed, played music, etc.... -- not a single problem. I turned off the annoying permissions things and that's about it. Don't get me wrong - I've got my copy of XP and a UBUNTU partition just waiting to be installed if I change my mind - but it's not that bad. Don't notice a speed issue, or anything else to complain about. Maybe the secret is just enough CPU/memory __________________ AFFILIATE WORDPRESS THEMES

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nickycakes Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,898 iTrader: 1 / 100%	why should you need more cpu/memory for an OS that doesn't provide you with any new functionality? my new laptop had vista and bluescreened on me twice in the first hour of it being on never using it again. __________________ Nickycakes.com: Reformed Blackhat Nickycakes' Newbie Guide Nickycakes Fan Club <--JOIN BITCHES #cakes irc.freenode.net

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LazyHippy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sunny England! Posts: 2,954 iTrader: 9 / 100%	I've stuck with it too. Gonna have to use it sometime, right? Or are all the anti-Vista windows users still using 98SE? __________________ Create easy content & video sites: Caffeinated Content discount codes, demos & tutorials. Tired of seeing "this picture has been deleted..."? Use Forum Image Codes: Free Image Hosting for those tit pics! ...Too Lazy

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KSRothwell The Adonis Thaumaturge Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 579 iTrader: 2 / 100%	I'm using my girlfriends brand new laptop running vista, and I hate it! It's a $5000 alienwear gaming rig that crashes every time we try and play anything that isn't DirectX 10 compatible. All the newer games run great, but anything that was made more then a year ago, can't be run without there being huge issues of some kind. I hate Vista. __________________ The dot of an i is called a tittle.

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HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 3,277 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Vista isn't problematic for every day users... In fact, if you don't know much about the back end of your system Vista is perfect for you. I'm not saying you're an idiot or anything, just that Vista is designed for the VAST majority of computer users: Ones that don't actually know how to use a computer. If you're someone that tinkers around a lot with a computers internals, or does coding, hacking, digital forensic work, BETA testing, or happen to be a serious power gamer, then Vista is a serious pain in the arse. The biggest problem if you're a serious computer user is the way it sandboxes the entire OS so you can't fuck it up too badly (this is why it's so amazingly resource hungry). Problem #2 is that to do this, it sucks up 200-300% more resources than a fully functional OS like that should. That you need a 2gb of RAM to run a computer at all is actually pretty stupid if you think about it. Also, if you run a laptop, it'll chew through the battery. Running all that extra code means more processing, means more electricity used, which means more heat, which requires more cooling, which means more electricity used... It's a downward spiral that leads to poorer performance. It also has a nasty habit of reporting back to MS what you've been up to, and if you block it at the outgoing firewall level, it throws a hissy fit and refuses to work... I get the feeling this has been implemented and MS are just waiting for the day that it's actually legal to prosecute people using info you've actually stolen from their computers. There are other problems... MANY other problems... But most people will never notice them, and they're starting to get into the more technical realm anyway. __________________ And finally, what's wrong with sucking cock? Just sign up to Affiliation Cash and do it already!

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selven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers

04-09-2008, 10:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
johnmatrix Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 412 iTrader: 1 / 100%	can you back up ANY of those claims HarveyJ? Im no novice.. I've used osx, centOS, gentoo, redhat.. all that crap and I absolutely love vista. How exactly is it sucking up resources? dont base it on ram usage because it caches things in the ram so they load faster... it doesnt mean vista is 'hogging' the ram, theres no point leaving ram unused is there? I ran vista on 1gb ram perfectly, recently upgraded to 2gb and noticed no increase in performance except loading times for games like crysis. dont like the constant confirmation box popups? DISABLE UAC IN CONTROL PANEL. Im running winamp, msn, pidgin, opera, firefox, IE, dreamweaver and photoshop and my cpu usage is at a whopping 6%, and vista is using 1.3gb of my 2gb ram as a cache, the remaining 700mb is being used for all those currently running apps. such a resource hog.. not to mention i have an uptime of roughly 6 days and it is still stable as a rock. People love to hate microsoft, thats what it comes down to. __________________ peace sells but whos buyin?

04-09-2008, 10:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
aim Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,271 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Vista really isn't horrible. It's like a pretty version of XP. I have it because I upgrade computers about every 6 months and it just comes with the new equipment. Either way, (and geeks have been saying this for years) the OS is on its way out, that's a fact. So whether you're on Windows/Linux/OS X soon it's not going to matter. We all live in our Web browsers 90% of the time anyway, so unless I'm coding/designing, I'm in Firefox.

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emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,067 iTrader: 7 / 100%	I just dread "upgrading" to Vista. Why? - Driver problems - bloatware - more driver problems - DRM - ... And all that when I am really, really happy with XP. ::emp:: __________________ "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

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xmcp123 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Not Louisiana Posts: 3,309 iTrader: 3 / 100%	I agree. It's actually quite decent. I only had one problem so far with it, and that was actually a result of hard drive failure. My uptime is now weeks-months, where on XP the system would slow to a crawl after 3-4 days. It has a few annoying traits, but overall, I really like it. __________________ curl_setopt($ch,CURLOPT_VICTORY, true);

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emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,067 iTrader: 7 / 100%	And the one thing they did NOT do, that they WANT to do for 20 years now, the ONE thing that would have made me preach to strangers on the street about Vista... they didn't. Database based file system. ::emp:: __________________ "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

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emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,067 iTrader: 7 / 100%	I see your vista technical links and raise you some vista bad stuff: Testing Shows XP Still Outperforms Vista - Software - IT Channel News by CRN and VARBusiness Yahoo! Personal Finance Vista fiasco continues with retreat to XP \| Storage Bits \| ZDNet.com ::emp:: __________________ "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

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-Matt- Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,796 iTrader: 7 / 100%	And there's this again: YouTube - Vista install in 2 minutes

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joshmv I Like Skittles Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 607 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Switched to macs a couple years ago and I honestly think it has been one of the best decisions I've ever made. I won't go into all of the reasons why since that could take hours, and I'm sure some people here will disagree, but in my eyes they are better without question. __________________ If Your new and sign up under this link, PM me with any questions and I'll help you get started.

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Lucidity Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 157 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Vista has run rock solid from day 1 and is as responsive as XP ever was for me. I mostly play games and do web dev stuffs and I've never run out of resources in any situation. Well, okay...there was this one time I was being indecisive and had 20 porn videos open at once...that slowed things down a bit. To anyone who's going to be installing Vista or getting a new Vista machine soon: use Vlite. I shaved almost 2 gigs off the Vista install DVD with this.

04-10-2008, 04:20 AM	#21 (permalink)
HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 3,277 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I was going to post the links that emp did, ah well... I had a few other articles from gamer sites, but I can't be arsed finding them again. I'll admit, the problems I have with Vista are entirely anecdotal. It could have been the setup I'm running and that it does work peachy keen for most people. I've just heard too many horror stories to believe that personally though. My battery life claim is based off running it on the Dell Inspiron 1525 my mother has. It was sitting on the charger, fully charged. I took it out, the battery was down to 14% after leaving Spiderman 3 on in the garage to "keep me company" as I was cleaning things out for her. The week, after installing XP on it, I plonked a cousin in front of it, Spiderman 3 again. Battery life at 33% after the movie. Not very efficient test, but it's a pretty big difference... The resource hogging issue is based entirely around the way that the OS sandboxes itself. That should be a no brainer. Instead of making an OS that sandboxes, just make an OS that isn't so easily exploitable that sandboxing becomes a "logical" solution... I mean, the fact that there's a feature to let "friends" remotely login to fix problems for you? Insanity! Anyway, the 3 days I had it on my machine (again, pirated copy, maybe that the reason it fucked up?) was beyond frustrating. Driver issues with my Wacom tablet and ActiveSync for my phone, and it refused to believe my monitor had a refresh rate of 70Hz, so occasionally I'd get that really annoying flicker. Constant rejection of software I was attempting to install because it wasn't "Verified", as I hadn't bothered to turn my modem on (you know, sometimes, and call me crazy here, I don't want my computer connected to the net... It's like leaving the phone off the hook) It did network like a breeze though... __________________ And finally, what's wrong with sucking cock? Just sign up to Affiliation Cash and do it already!

04-10-2008, 05:09 AM	#22 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,067 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Thing that pisses me off mostly is that 2nd link I posted, basically stating that Windows Vista will be replaced in a year. Making this the Windows ME of today. ::emp:: __________________ "We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-10-2008, 02:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Rage9 #1 Soccer Hater Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,345 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Fuck vista, never liked it. If I did buy a computer with it on it, you can bet I'll just install XP. Windows 7 in 2009? Be careful what you wish for Windows 7: The Anti-Vista? \| All about Microsoft \| ZDNet.com Windows 7 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ MadPPC.com - PPC, PHP, and other Affiliate Marketing tips. It's OK to be MAD! Hey Facebook marketers, want an edge? Hell yeah you do, try FBSpy!

04-10-2008, 08:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 3,277 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I loved that whole period on 2000-2001... THREE whole operating systems released in 19 months! Yeah, great for consumer confidence that is... __________________ And finally, what's wrong with sucking cock? Just sign up to Affiliation Cash and do it already!

04-10-2008, 08:25 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ted Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 90 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I've had lots of problems with vista though most of them are sorted out after my 8 hour battle to install SP1. The issues I still have are the slowness of unzipping files and moving files, the unzipping is fixed by winrar but still havent worked out how to make file transfers faster. I'm in the middle of putting together my first linux box and if all goes well, once I'm as proficient with it as I am with windows, I don't see myself using microsoft products again....... __________________ stats for my one arbi page (as at 03/05/07) Spent $6.28 Earnt $34.22 ROI 544%

04-19-2008, 12:07 AM	#29 (permalink)
AdExhibitJason WTF, are you looking at Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 722 iTrader: 1 / 67%	I dont mind vista to much just so much garbage around it.

04-19-2008, 12:08 AM	#30 (permalink)
JoeHa Joeee Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 155 iTrader: 0 / 0%	i would put vista and mac ox on the same level.. But never beating xp.

04-28-2008, 01:48 PM	#31 (permalink)
WebRef.eu Web Marketing Resource Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 / 0%	My Toshiba Satellite Pro Vista laptop blue screened after doing it's first ever Windows update. The computer takes ages to boot up which is frustrating. Generally the software seems to take longer to do things, so it feels like a step back. Rgds __________________ WebRef.eu - Web Development Resources for the Online Entrepreneur

04-28-2008, 02:58 PM	#32 (permalink)
narsticle Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,889 iTrader: 2 / 100%	i have vista on an HP laptop i recently bought. I was a little afraid that it came stock with VISTA but honestly its been fine. __________________ AdHustler.com - Get Your Hustle On! Make Money With Twitter Tutorial

04-29-2008, 10:44 AM	#33 (permalink)
smoosh Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 144 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Frankly, I've had nothing but problems since i bought a new laptop that came with Vista. My old desktop is stable as hell and seems to work much faster with most software, that baby is running an XP Pro. I also experienced quite a few bugs with running Vista, the most frustrating of which is the security popup - the problem would only occur when the comp's been running for a while and would result with me being unable to change security settings even though i am logged in as admin. I would have to reboot the machine and then change the settings. System stability and speed is also a major issue - i disabled that stupid dynamic windows file that allowed me to preview the actual window once i roll over it in the task bar. Still, that thing is slow as hell! i iz not a happy chap. __________________ Whatever you do - do NOT milk the bull! "Pickles of Thunder!" - still in development... "Put some thunder in your pickle!" - Buy Viagra today! Ebooks - virtual content guaranteed to make you a virtual billionaire....virtually...

04-29-2008, 11:43 AM	#34 (permalink)
mason Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 841 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I got a new toshiba laptop and so far so good. I only had one blue screen, but I suspect it had something to do with having too many programs on/never turning off or restarting my computer. __________________ Affiliate Marketing k thx

04-29-2008, 09:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
spock49 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 111 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I upgraded to Vista 64 bit because I wanted to take advantage of 4GB of memory. For those using Adobe CS3 products (photoshop, fireworks, illustrator), be aware that having aero turned on will negatively impact certain functions like vector path tool, etc (at lease for me, they ran very slow with my ATI x1600 vid card) I ended up turning off all eye candy stuff and everything seems to work much faster. I didn't want XP 64-bit because of lack of drivers (worse than Vista 64-bit).

05-02-2008, 08:17 AM	#36 (permalink)
cabron Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I just hate the fact that it uses 1 GB of ram on idle. I switched back to a tuned xp with the same looks and uses 250 MB. Also game compatibility is an issue with vista.

05-03-2008, 01:17 AM	#37 (permalink)
backdraft Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 61 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Vista made me remember how much i loved Windows XP. Besides all the more ram etc that it uses as I have 4GB of that anyways......its just nauseating hehe

05-03-2008, 02:56 AM	#38 (permalink)
FSHD$$$ Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 40 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I'm due for a new machine and because of what I've read about Vista I'm buying a iMac and I'm going to use Safari. I have the only Windows machine in this office and I'll keep my old PC if for no other reason but so that I can see what my work looks like on a PC but I'll be a Mac girl very soon, thanks to Microsoft.

05-03-2008, 08:52 PM	#39 (permalink)
ArtDeco Ex-lurker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA USA Posts: 557 iTrader: 2 / 100%	"Vista is great for new PCs, problems always occur on old or poor performance computers" Err wrong. I have a brand new Dell with 4 gig of RAM and Vista preinstalled. It ran so poorly that I partitioned the 500 gig drive and installed Linux. Rarely even boot Windows anymore. __________________ I believe in free speech like liberals used to, free markets like conservatives used to, and free software like programmers used to.

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