Why would anyone on this forum be a democrat??

[steveyoung]

I can’t recall who said, the American “people get the government they deserve” but more accurate words were never spoken.

We, as Americans, DO decide how our taxes will be spent. We ALL elect a Congress to represent our wishes in such matters. Where the American people have been remiss in their individual duty is in continuing to elect, and re-elect, those who do NOT represent our wishes. When this happens, it proves to the politician that he or she can DO whatever he or she wishes with no consequences.

The Congress, not the President, controls the purse strings of our government. If we are to ever regain control of our government, we must become more adapt at monitoring Congressional actions and vote for a new representative when necessary.

[SleepyStarling]

Originally Posted by invisible777

Here's one example

I'd rather see my tax money only go to support families who are responsible. I don't want to buy food stamps and govt services for the idiots out there who buy shit instead of food when they are being supported by govt programs.

Case in point - I worked at a grocery store for 3 years in high school, I saw it every day. Food stamps person/family comes into line with a couple of items of food, uses the food stamps, then buys $100 worth of shit like DVDs and toys. People like this are either a) irresponsible idiots, or b) gaming the system, and either way I do not want to support them, but we all do.

I hear you, but for every family like that there's another one struggling and trying to pull itself out of the gutter. I have seen both kinds, and far, far too many of the latter.

The fact that we are able to use the internet to debate this at all is a perfect example of a privilege that most poorer people don't have, and it's just one of the numerous ways that the class you're born into makes it harder to find and keep a job.

What the conservatives have done within the past decade is make it pointless to claim bankruptcy in many cases because most families now have to pay off all of the debt their creditors heaped on them with usurous interest rates (2005, I believe), spent billions on a fucking useless and racist war (because all arabs are apparently terrorists, even if they hate each other), voted down a bill that would have allowed women a decent shot at discovering and challenging pay discrimination (this past week), lowered air quality standards so that the polluters 30 miles away exacerbate our health problems...I could go on.

If I wanted to, I could use my medical condition to go on welfare, but I'd rather work. As a consequence, I pay nearly $6K a year in health care costs, health care that should be a right of every American citizen like it is of every Canadian citizen, and every British citizen, and every French citizen, etc. ad nauseam. Single-payer systems aren't perfect, but they're much, much better for everyone than the bastard HMOs, where the employees are paid to DENY benefits. It's the most fucked up thing ever. By 2050, health care costs will take up 37% of our gross domestic product.

But don't worry; at the rate we cut benefits and give out tax breaks, our economy will be in the gutter long before that happens.

To summarize:
I'd rather just help everyone and beat up the frauds when I catch them.

[tony115]

This is a hot topic. I used to be a Democrat, but now I am an Independent/Republican. Back in my Democratic days, I was always thinking about what this country could do for me. How much money would this country give up and how could I ease by without too much work. I remember being a big Bill Clinton fan. Especially when he showed up on Arsenio Hall. To this day he is still referred to as the 1st black President! . I believed that those that have should give to the have-nots. The have-nots are just as deserving and should be given a hand up into the upper echelon of society.
Another factor that contributed to my party designation was my family. All I would here is how Democrats will help "our" people. They are going to (once again) give us something that would benefit us.
Another factor is the media. Big network companies that control the news and radio are pushing for their candidate whether deliberately or sub-consciously. Back in 2004; my home state newspaper ran a cover of Kerry and Bush. Kerry's picture showed he was on the go, motivated, and high spirited. The picture was very nicely done. Then they showed Bush in a solemn mood, disheveled, and woeful. Fast forward again to Katrina and you recieve comments from Kanye West stating that "Bush don't like black people." And as we come to current events. The Iraq war has taken a toll on the American people. Political candidates have made a case to end the war. Not many people understand why we are in Iraq today. The death toll climbs and politicians use this news as reasons to vote Democrat. The other is Health care which is an enormous burden on every American. A "free" health care system sounds good. Those are a couple of reasons that a WF member may vote Democrat.

[turbolapp]

Originally Posted by tony115

Back in my Democratic days, I was always thinking about what this country could do for me.

You must have missed Kennedy's speech, then.

[fcreature]

Politicians are ruining the country, period. (well, the United States at least...)

We need a REAL change. Not a change between democrats and republicans who, when you get down to it, hardly differ from their ideas & beliefs. The 2 party system in the US is fucking everything up. There is no debate of value today. Can we please have some old school, Lincoln-Douglass style debates? Screw the media, screw the pundits. Lets get some quality & fair debate going in this country. Something is wrong and no one has a real answer. Maybe we should be questioning what we have been doing in the last century. Maybe we have gone seriously astray to what America is.

Obviously, I consider myself a Ron Paul Republican (as do many of you I'm sure). I don't think you should all necessarily support Ron Paul, but if you looked into his movement you may have you eyes opened and be able to start independently thinking for yourselves. Sometimes we must question the very basics of our government to find a solution.

[stmadeveloper]

Originally Posted by fcreature

Obviously, I consider myself a Ron Paul Republican (as do many of you I'm sure). I don't think you should all necessarily support Ron Paul, but if you looked into his movement you may have you eyes opened and be able to start independently thinking for yourselves. Sometimes we must question the very basics of our government to find a solution.

Agree! I think everyone in the country should watch a few Ron Paul vids on youtube.

Even if you don't agree with everything he says (he goes a bit to far towards towards total government hands off (I like things like meat inspectors, food regulations)) it would be a big eye opener for most people who have never experienced a government that was following the constitution.

Hell maybe even with the food inspectors the food producers would pay for the inspections and pass it on to us - lower taxes would make that cool with me. I guess the point is we don't need government doing everything for us.... and giving our money and wealth away to everyone else.

I suppose (hope) I'm not the only one who gets mad every time I see we gave country xyz 1 billion here, and a billion there. It's like WORLD WELFARE.

Should read this:

» U.S. Government –> We’ve come so far! Independent 08: The Politics The Presidential 2008 Campaign The Reality Show

[gdubs12345]

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

Then, if money is the only thing important to you, buy shares in Halliburton and vote for McCain.

if you knew anything about mcain you would have respect for him, hes definaely not a george bush part 2. He spent 5 years in a VC prison camp, so hes not gonna take war lightly. An he doesnt wanna shit all of our money away just because he can. We're pretty close to a recession right now, and im sure taxes being raised on people who start up and run businesses isnt going to help the economy.
Socially he's in the middle too, not religious, doesnt hate gays.
Hes exactly what i would vote for.
But, i dont think obama can be stopped, hes got too much charisma. And everyine hates bush so much that people on the fence ar gonna vote democrat

[Rage9]

Originally Posted by gdubs12345

if you knew anything about mcain you would have respect for him, hes definaely not a george bush part 2. He spent 5 years in a VC prison camp, so hes not gonna take war lightly. An he doesnt wanna shit all of our money away just because he can. We're pretty close to a recession right now, and im sure taxes being raised on people who start up and run businesses isnt going to help the economy.
Socially he's in the middle too, not religious, doesnt hate gays.
Hes exactly what i would vote for.
But, i dont think obama can be stopped, hes got too much charisma. And everyine hates bush so much that people on the fence ar gonna vote democrat

Fuck mcain, wow you spent years in a VC camp. Like I care.

And your right Obama is going to sweep, if people have half a brain. It is time for change, and republican isn't the answer. Not that it's going to be easy - someone has to clean up 8 years of someone shiting on the country. [props to all you idiots that voted bush for another term]

Anayways small </rant>. Go Democrats.

[LazyHippy]

Originally Posted by gdubs12345

if you knew anything about mcain you would have respect for him, hes definaely not a george bush part 2. He spent 5 years in a VC prison camp, so hes not gonna take war lightly. An he doesnt wanna shit all of our money away just because he can. We're pretty close to a recession right now, and im sure taxes being raised on people who start up and run businesses isnt going to help the economy.
Socially he's in the middle too, not religious, doesnt hate gays.
Hes exactly what i would vote for.
But, i dont think obama can be stopped, hes got too much charisma. And everyine hates bush so much that people on the fence ar gonna vote democrat

McCain used to seem like an intelligent moderate politician, now he talks of a hundred years of war and stuff... He is either bullshitting to get votes from the far right or senility is starting to set in.

[kyleirwin]

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

McCain used to seem like an intelligent moderate politician, now he talks of a hundred years of war and stuff... He is either bullshitting to get votes from the far right or senility is starting to set in.

He said nothing of being at war for 100 years. You liberals need to find another McCain bash, that one is getting really tired.

[LazyHippy]

Originally Posted by kyleirwin

He said nothing of being at war for 100 years. You liberals need to find another McCain bash, that one is getting really tired.

He said he was happy to keep US troops in Iraq for 100 years and given how welcome they are there is it likely to be a peaceful presence?

YouTube - McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"

War is the wrong word, sorry. Like many, I used it without thinking. The current conflicts with extremist groups cannot be described as a war, let alone a war against an emotion such as terror.

[mason]

Originally Posted by kyleirwin

He said nothing of being at war for 100 years. You liberals need to find another McCain bash, that one is getting really tired.

uhh he's okay with troops being in there for 10,000 years...

YouTube - McCain: Americans Fine With Troops In Iraq For 10,000 Years

he's comparing the stay in iraq with the stay in japan, germany, south korea, etc. What a fucking idiot. The consequences are completely different.

And kyle, don't you beleive for one second republicans are conservative. Bush proved that with all of his fucking exec orders and increase in government control. That is EVERYTHING BUT conservative.

[xmcp123]

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

He said he was happy to keep US troops in Iraq for 100 years and given how welcome they are there is it likely to be a peaceful presence?

YouTube - McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me"

War is the wrong word, sorry. Like many, I used it without thinking. The current conflicts with extremist groups cannot be described as a war, let alone a war against an emotion such as terror.

Pwned.

[tony115]

Originally Posted by turbolapp

You must have missed Kennedy's speech, then.

You are right. The Democratic philosophy at the time blacked that out!
Did you ever read his Profiles of Courage book?

Originally Posted by Rage9

Fuck mcain, wow you spent years in a VC camp. Like I care.

And your right Obama is going to sweep, if people have half a brain. It is time for change, and republican isn't the answer. Not that it's going to be easy - someone has to clean up 8 years of someone shiting on the country. [props to all you idiots that voted bush for another term]

Anyways small </rant>. Go Democrats.

Ouch! I never spent any time as a prisoner of war. These guys were lucky to stave off dying in a foreign country.

As far as an Obama sweep; only 1/3 of Hilary supporters would vote for Obama. He is going to have a rude awakening come November if he is the Democratic candidate.

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

McCain used to seem like an intelligent moderate politician, now he talks of a hundred years of war and stuff... He is either bullshitting to get votes from the far right or senility is starting to set in.

Lol @ senility. Ronald Reagan won the Presidency when he was 69. Who knows whether Mc Cain is the best choice. Only history will tell.

BTW. What was the original question in this thread?

[gdubs12345]

Originally Posted by LazyHippy

McCain used to seem like an intelligent moderate politician, now he talks of a hundred years of war and stuff... He is either bullshitting to get votes from the far right or senility is starting to set in.

I think hes bullshitting, hes gotta say certain things to get the crazies on the far right to support him

[JohnCJackson]

The times when Republicans were better than Democrats as far as taxes/spending/economics are long gone- IF they ever existed (I think a lot of it is false nostalgia).

John McCain admits he knows absolutely nothing about Economics. he couldn't answer a simple question in debates. his solution is to have a 1980s GOP all-star staff of advisors- basically like Romney needing to consult a lawyer before making any decision.

For someone who has been in the senate 20some years and 70+ years of age mcCain is not much of a thinker or much of anything. He knows how to marry well and make Bob Dole 1996 look like a young jock, and thats about it.

You know what? Obama isnt great either. it's just that he's no worse than mcCain and doesnt seem to want to bomb the world. So he edges him out.

Personally, the person I vote for will be determined at Sundays convention. And if it's one of a couple people, I wont vote at all.

[HarveyJ]

I know I've got no involvement in this, but seriously considering the way the presidential election system works, if you're so disatisfied with the majors, why not start doing some research into independent candidates and attempting to get suppor t going for them?

I KNOW that they won't win, but if you can get a decent grass roots campaign going (which should be possible with some decent SEO tactics, and some clever offline stunts) there's no reason why you couldn't get say 0.5% of the vote... which in America, is a HUGE number of people (it's roughly 10% of Australia's population in fact).
And when you get a swing like that, politicians tend to take notice...

[int_josh5]

Originally Posted by xmcp123

Several reasons.

1. My Expenses are as Follows: Cigarettes, Food, Rent, a modest amount of inebriants, Red Bull. I don't really need as much as I make
2. It's insane that people in this country are starving. I can understand not wanting them rollin Cadillacs on 22s or what the fuck ever, but they should get to eat.
3. I have lived in some really nasty areas between high school and college. The people there were not lazy. In many cases they were uneducated, but rarely lazy. Some couldn't get transportation to a job as well. Welcome to Detroit btw, where our gangsters are too poor to buy bullets because there's no work.
4. Minimum wage is not even near what's necessary to live on, even working 50+ hour weeks. Those people work MUCH harder than me. Not smarter, but harder. Oh yeah, and they have to put on pants. I don't.
5. I refuse to punish someone's children because their mother is a lazy and/or stupid.
6. People with money buy shit. They sometimes buy my shit.

If you honestly believe most people on welfare or whatever are "not working", and not working by choice, you're an ignorant prick and need to get the hell out of your basement.

You're a fucking idiot. Next.

[int_josh5]

Originally Posted by popeye

Obama has stated that anyone that makes over 100k will recieve a massive tax increase. How can any successfull IM support this?? That is unless you are a poser/wannabe.

Any successful business person will vote for anyone agaisnt the party of entitelment.
SAY NO TO TAKING YOUR MONEY AND GIVING IT TO THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO WORK!!!!!

Dude everyone who's for democrats should move to China. There is a perfect socialistic system for you fuckfaces.

Leave me, my liberty and my money alone. Fuck you.

Ron Paul for president!

[int_josh5]

Originally Posted by Sawya

I just think there is something sociopathic about standing by and watching someone suffer or maybe even die because they can't afford a treatment.

If we follow this logic: there are millions helpless homeless people. Why don't you take all your money, sell you car and all the perks you don't need (such as that plasma TV you got hanging on the wall) and give money to the hobos?

I'm sorry, but survival of the fittest. Oh wait, I'm not sorry.