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Aniston · 04-24-2008, 02:50 PM

I've been in the Real Estate business for over 8 years and never optimized my site...I didn't know...stupid, stupid, stupid! Anyway, now I am, and I hired a company to do it for me. It's been over 1 month, and we are not even listed in the first 10 pages of the search engines. Is this typical? I am paying a monthly fee for 45 terms. My business is tanking hard and ppc has become a killer for us, plus with all the competition, we are paying an arm and a leg for hardly any leads. So if the seo doesn't happen, I would have to file bankruptcy...I am that desperate! I don't know what to do. I thought you all could give me some advice, or a hard kick in the rear.

Thanks for your help.

narsticle · 04-24-2008, 02:56 PM

what are you paying this company to SEO your site.....PM me your sites URL

MrStitch · 04-24-2008, 02:57 PM

Did you sign a contract?

What's the URL?

To answer your immediate question, there is no 'quick fix' when it comes to ranking.... especially in the real estate market. Not in it myself, but I hear it's extremely competitive.

What's the URL of the company that's doing it for you?

RuDeDoGg · 04-24-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by narsticle

what are you paying this company to SEO your site.....PM me your sites URL

PM me it and I'll take a look

Aniston · 04-24-2008, 03:12 PM

Ok...thanks guys...for helping me. I will pm you the site, and the company I hired is linkworth.com. We are supposed to pay $1145 a month for 45 terms (I think that is too much the more I learn. Plus can I really get enough business for those terms? I mean I have over 10K terms in Yahoo PPC and I don't get enough leads, so I am really freaking out. My husband and I own this business, and this is our only source of income. My affiliate marketing is new and not profitable yet.

Really I can't thank you enough for your help!

emp · 04-24-2008, 03:13 PM

Sure hit me up with a PM and we will take a look.

Some terms might also be of help.

::emp::

emp · 04-24-2008, 03:14 PM

Also:

End the contract if they can not provide proof they did anything and that it has helped.
Cut down on the PPC keywords, they should be able to provide tracking which ones are converting.

::emp::

Aniston · 04-24-2008, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emp

Also:

End the contract if they can not provide proof they did anything and that it has helped.
Cut down on the PPC keywords, they should be able to provide tracking which ones are converting.

::emp::

Ok...Linkworth sent me an email yesterday:

Everything is going great with your campaign and is up and running. We will be running ranking reports all day tomorrow and will send that to you once it's complete. Over the course of the next few months you will begin to notice the websites increased rankings. We will make the adjustments to the campaign as needed.

Shouldn't I see results by now? They promised me, I would be ranking within in 2-3 weeks and it's been about 6+ weeks. My Alexa ranking has gone down, and through Alexa, I don't see any new backlinks created since I hired them. The big kicker is we have no leads and we are not listed on the search engines. I handle our ppc, so they don't have anything to do with that. Should I go ahead and fire them?

RuDeDoGg · 04-24-2008, 03:32 PM

Alexa doesn't matter / mean anything so don't go off that. But, you should ask for a report of new links they have acquired. Have they done anything on page? I looked at your site and the link structure is crap, I can tell that without even knowing your keywords.

About your links. The site has ~412 links, which is total shit. Most seem to come from one domain too

You could get more links paying $65 to someone here for 1,000 directory submissions. That many links could be good for local real estate terms, but they don't seem to be of quality or targeted. You need to quit working with them and find someone new.

I'm no SEO guru, but I have outranked pages with millions of links. I'm just assuming things, their links may not be indexed yet. But ask them for a report on what they have done, ask yourself if that's worth what you're paying, then go from there.

PS: if you send me your search terms I'll gauge the competition and maybe give you some more info.

pocketrockets · 04-24-2008, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aniston

Ok...I have an email from yesterday:

Everything is going great with your campaign and is up and running. We will be running ranking reports all day tomorrow and will send that to you once it's complete. Over the course of the next few months you will begin to notice the websites increased rankings. We will make the adjustments to the campaign as needed.

Shouldn't I see results by now? They promised me, I would be ranking within in 2-3 weeks and it's been about 6+ weeks. My Alexa ranking has gone down, and through Alexa, I don't see any new backlinks created since I hired them. The big kicker is we have no leads and we are not listed on the search engines. I handle our ppc, so they don't have anything to do with that. Should I go ahead and fire them?

SEO takes time and I wouldn't expect much for results in just over a month no matter what terms you are trying to rank for. There are waaaay too many unknown factors here to help out without knowing the exact keyword phrases you are targeting and what the competition looks like.

If you PM your URL and keyword terms I can take a quick look.

narsticle · 04-24-2008, 03:36 PM

ok....my opinion....I can't vouch for the SEO job here. I'm not sure what terms you are trying to optimize for. You're main page doesnt even have the state or city in the title tag. You have virtually no links to your site.

1) Optimize your title tags
2) Get links
3) Fire your SEO company. If they are ok with the title tags you have they suck balls.
4) Your PPC sucks too, so get on that.

You are missing out on tons of traffic on PPC terms that should be obvious. PPC clicks should not be costing more then a buck or 2 for those types of terms. If your getting slaughtered on the PPC it might also be because your landing pages suck. They are busy and amaturish and your asking for too much info on your form.

Theres the kick in the ass you need.

If you have questions you can PM me, i do local search for a living.

dogfighter · 04-24-2008, 03:36 PM

Aniston--

PM me your URL and (if you're willing) some of the 45 terms. $1145/mo isn't bad for organic seo... most charge $1500+, but it really depends. There's a big difference between a company that goes out and builds you links, and a company that just does some article marketing and social bookmarking or directory submissions.

Edit: I'm just going to look through and let you know if you're getting taken for a ride, I'm not trying to steal your business from them. I do local search specifically in real estate markets though so I know what I'm looking at.

pocketrockets · 04-24-2008, 03:42 PM

Btw, if you do fire them and are looking for a new company I'd suggest going to SEOmoz's list of recommended SEO firms.

SEOmoz Marketplace | Recommended List of SEO Consultants, Experts, Firms & Service Providers

Aniston · 04-24-2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuDeDoGg

Alexa doesn't matter / mean anything so don't go off that. But, you should ask for a report of new links they have acquired. Have they done anything on page? I looked at your site and the link structure is crap, I can tell that without even knowing your keywords.

About your links. The site has ~412 links, which is total shit. Most seem to come from one domain too

You could get more links paying $65 to someone here for 1,000 directory submissions. That many links could be good for local real estate terms, but they don't seem to be of quality or targeted. You need to quit working with them and find someone new.

I'm no SEO guru, but I have outranked pages with millions of links. I'm just assuming things, their links may not be indexed yet. But ask them for a report on what they have done, ask yourself if that's worth what you're paying, then go from there.

PS: if you send me your search terms I'll gauge the competition and maybe give you some more info.

WOW...How did you find the 412 links? I thought I had 4, but yea...that's crap! I just sent you a pm with the terms...thanks!

Deliguy · 04-24-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aniston

It's been over 1 month, and we are not even listed in the first 10 pages of the search engines.

Edit: too harsh i'll post something useful when i get a chance.

MrStitch · 04-24-2008, 04:09 PM

I took a quick peak at linkworth, and the first thing I noticed was that they don't even have a meta description tag.

Though, it has little effect on ranking in some engines.... it's just plain common sense to use it, imo.

Second, it looks like a company that you buy links from, and they have all these nifty sources. Problem with these services, is the fact that it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort on Google's part, to just swing in there every once-in-a-while and see who's selling links. Which then leads to link devaluation.

A year from now, when the smoke clears, every single penny you spent on this SEO company is going to be a complete waste.

04-24-2008, 02:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Aniston Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 208	SEO Help I've been in the Real Estate business for over 8 years and never optimized my site...I didn't know...stupid, stupid, stupid! Anyway, now I am, and I hired a company to do it for me. It's been over 1 month, and we are not even listed in the first 10 pages of the search engines. Is this typical? I am paying a monthly fee for 45 terms. My business is tanking hard and ppc has become a killer for us, plus with all the competition, we are paying an arm and a leg for hardly any leads. So if the seo doesn't happen, I would have to file bankruptcy...I am that desperate! I don't know what to do. I thought you all could give me some advice, or a hard kick in the rear. Thanks for your help.

04-24-2008, 02:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
narsticle Ad Hustler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 1,791	what are you paying this company to SEO your site.....PM me your sites URL __________________ Ad Hustler Approved Networks: Ads4Dough Ad Hustler Approved Services: PPC-Coach Ad Hustler Speaks \| The Ultimate Google Content Network Post

04-24-2008, 03:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,628	Sure hit me up with a PM and we will take a look. Some terms might also be of help. ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-24-2008, 03:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,628	Also: End the contract if they can not provide proof they did anything and that it has helped. Cut down on the PPC keywords, they should be able to provide tracking which ones are converting. ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

04-24-2008, 03:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
RuDeDoGg Austin Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 807	Alexa doesn't matter / mean anything so don't go off that. But, you should ask for a report of new links they have acquired. Have they done anything on page? I looked at your site and the link structure is crap, I can tell that without even knowing your keywords. About your links. The site has ~412 links, which is total shit. Most seem to come from one domain too You could get more links paying $65 to someone here for 1,000 directory submissions. That many links could be good for local real estate terms, but they don't seem to be of quality or targeted. You need to quit working with them and find someone new. I'm no SEO guru, but I have outranked pages with millions of links. I'm just assuming things, their links may not be indexed yet. But ask them for a report on what they have done, ask yourself if that's worth what you're paying, then go from there. PS: if you send me your search terms I'll gauge the competition and maybe give you some more info. __________________

04-24-2008, 02:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
MrStitch Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 75	Did you sign a contract? What's the URL? To answer your immediate question, there is no 'quick fix' when it comes to ranking.... especially in the real estate market. Not in it myself, but I hear it's extremely competitive. What's the URL of the company that's doing it for you?

04-24-2008, 03:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
Aniston Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 208	Ok...thanks guys...for helping me. I will pm you the site, and the company I hired is linkworth.com. We are supposed to pay $1145 a month for 45 terms (I think that is too much the more I learn. Plus can I really get enough business for those terms? I mean I have over 10K terms in Yahoo PPC and I don't get enough leads, so I am really freaking out. My husband and I own this business, and this is our only source of income. My affiliate marketing is new and not profitable yet. Really I can't thank you enough for your help!

04-24-2008, 03:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
narsticle Ad Hustler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NY Posts: 1,791	ok....my opinion....I can't vouch for the SEO job here. I'm not sure what terms you are trying to optimize for. You're main page doesnt even have the state or city in the title tag. You have virtually no links to your site. 1) Optimize your title tags 2) Get links 3) Fire your SEO company. If they are ok with the title tags you have they suck balls. 4) Your PPC sucks too, so get on that. You are missing out on tons of traffic on PPC terms that should be obvious. PPC clicks should not be costing more then a buck or 2 for those types of terms. If your getting slaughtered on the PPC it might also be because your landing pages suck. They are busy and amaturish and your asking for too much info on your form. Theres the kick in the ass you need. If you have questions you can PM me, i do local search for a living. __________________ Ad Hustler Approved Networks: Ads4Dough Ad Hustler Approved Services: PPC-Coach Ad Hustler Speaks \| The Ultimate Google Content Network Post

04-24-2008, 03:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
dogfighter Irish Prick Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 725	Aniston-- PM me your URL and (if you're willing) some of the 45 terms. $1145/mo isn't bad for organic seo... most charge $1500+, but it really depends. There's a big difference between a company that goes out and builds you links, and a company that just does some article marketing and social bookmarking or directory submissions. Edit: I'm just going to look through and let you know if you're getting taken for a ride, I'm not trying to steal your business from them. I do local search specifically in real estate markets though so I know what I'm looking at. __________________ If you can't make money with Neverblue Ads, sell your computer. I was a young man when I fought dogs in Mexico. There were many dog fighters but none as great in size or as quiet. Then I was unsure of my words. But the fighting was always a language I spoke well. -Marc Bojanowski

04-24-2008, 03:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
pocketrockets Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 672	Btw, if you do fire them and are looking for a new company I'd suggest going to SEOmoz's list of recommended SEO firms. SEOmoz Marketplace \| Recommended List of SEO Consultants, Experts, Firms & Service Providers __________________

04-24-2008, 04:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
MrStitch Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 75	I took a quick peak at linkworth, and the first thing I noticed was that they don't even have a meta description tag. Though, it has little effect on ranking in some engines.... it's just plain common sense to use it, imo. Second, it looks like a company that you buy links from, and they have all these nifty sources. Problem with these services, is the fact that it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort on Google's part, to just swing in there every once-in-a-while and see who's selling links. Which then leads to link devaluation. A year from now, when the smoke clears, every single penny you spent on this SEO company is going to be a complete waste.

04-24-2008, 04:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
DomainRealty I'm a Coder Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 625