AdHustler

I hate PDFs. I hate opening them. I hate looking at them. I hate everything about them. Do you hate PDFs as much as i do?

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elime

Yes.

erect

Actually I'm quite impressed with Adobe. They've made a cross platform (mac/pc/linux) file that renders the exact same on screen when viewed with any computer or on paper. That in and of itself is relatively impressive.

I also like the fact they have copyright on acrobat but not the PDF file extension or format. This allows people like open office and web sites to use this "standard" file type without restrictions.

Furthermore, have you noticed that acrobat allows you to embed both vector and raster artwork at any resolution? They also support embedded fonts, html links & tables of contents.

So hate ... no. I think I'm in love

sampunk

download foxit reader, it is much much faster than Adobe to open PDF file

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blackthought286

I'm actually the opposite I love PDF's. Even like chm files. The only thing about PDF's I hate are when you click on a link and it's a pdf file and there's no warning. The noscript plugin in firefox stops this but it's still an annoying thing to do to users.

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MDSandB

But why?

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stmadeveloper

From a SEO viewpoint I rather like them. It seems that Google enjoys ranking them, and it also seems to enjoy following the links inside.

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gatoradeparade

QFT. But first download PDF download for Firefox.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/636

The lag/freezing is gone!

erect

Take that a step further, they are quite good to embed your links into and distribute. Most people will have a real issue changing that link (or deleting it). If it's strictly html content (not PDF) even my 10 year old daughter can knock out those links and replace them with her own.

alexbaldwin07

I have a love/hate relationship with pdfs, when I make them they are fantastic, when people give them to me I cringe

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ryuuken

i hate how it uses internet explorer to open links from pdfs

jill_domains

Or, you can change the action for opening PDF in Firefox here:
Tools -> Options -> Content -> File Types -> Manage

You can choose PDF and select the option to save to your disk instead of opening it.

RuDeDoGg

I just hate how long they take to open, and occasionally one will freeze firefox when I accidentally click a .pdf link

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Lord B

I totally absolutely love PDFs. =) Set the view to Two-Up Continuous, it is as good as reading a real book.

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nickclarson

I think .pdf's are incredible... but that's probably because I have a mac. They are nice, compact, and open in a snap. Whereas when I open them on windows they seem to take forever.

Davros

Nah, PDFs are quite good as it goes.

Not as good as sampunk's sig though - wawawewah!

HarveyJ

There are so many reasons why PDF are a great format.

They allow almost any form of media to be inserted, from plain to text and hyperlinks, to various audio formats and even rotational 3D elements.
What's more, they can be rendered in either raster or vector, which make them fantastic for using as a base file to print from, even going so far as to incorporate fonts and effects into themselves so they're not needed as an end file.

They're also really compact. When I edited the layout for the magazine at Uni, we'd often use about 4gb on a single issue with all the hi-res graphics and what have you... the PDF file would shrink down to about 600mb, and come out from the printer's picture perfect.

They're also one of the few document types that doesn't fuck up majorly if you disk-span it across archives (useful for emailing larger files)

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hazzan

Yes to foxit. Until a week ago I was running a pretty old box. Acrobat refused to install on my system but foxit did the job for me.

GroverMMS

And another rep for foxit from me. Great program.

wisejoker

Great tool for reading. Especially when the monitor is sufficiently big enough for two continuous.

Drake

I think pdfs are awesome. Cross platform and the fonts look smoother than just about anything else out there.

Plus the formatting/spacing/look is quite universal, cant say that about html or even .doc files.

jeanpaul1979

On my P3 they suck, on my AMD64 they rock.

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herventure

it sucks when pdf freeze my Firefox, however aside from that it is really great file type.
Is there any other file type that is so universal and quite "feature rich"? I guess no. So why hate it?

Lord B

There is DjVu but it is not as popular yet.

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johnmatrix

get a new computer if it takes you too long to open em

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hansolo

Hate them. Always have, probably always will. Thank goodness for Google's 'Open as html' feature.

DumDum

When I'm on my lappy, PDFs really screw me over. The browser hangs and me being on my 1x CDMA connection have to wait for ages till the PDF is downloaded before I can start working again. I would shoot the person who came up with the idea of making PDF if I knew him (and if I had a gun).

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rockhard

It's no the PDF's that suck it's adobes reader. Try foxit as someone said.

AdHustler

why does foxit look like shit ware? You need to complete offers to download it?

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rockhard

Just download and install... Foxit Software

HarveyJ

Where the hell are you downloading it from that you have to complete offers for it?

Go to TuCows or CNET like everyone else does when they need a quick fix.

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Raize

iPaper anyone?

i know pdf has established itself as the way to share documents online without losing formatting...but it does have issues. online applications are the new trend, and things that run in the browser without having to install plugins or software are soon going to be the norm (ie. google docs). which is why ipaper has the potential to do to pdf what firefox did to internet explorer. not to mention efficiency

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HarveyJ

Except that PDFs aren't just a universal text format.
Admittedly, anything a PDF can do can be done in XHTML, although at a somewhat more system resource intensive level...
However, I have serious doubts about iPaper being able to do the other things that PDF was originally designed, and later adapted, for.

Security features are pretty solid in PDF formats if you know how to use them properly.
You can make self-destroying files if you know how to use Acrobat. You can lock down printing access to certain computers, etc etc.
The claims of security that iPaper espouses for being a widget don't gel with me. I've heard people say the same thing about Flash, but low and behold, any little flash game or animation I like, I have. How? I looked for the source file in the page code... Not hard to do. And websites are inherently less secure from interception than a physical format or terminal computer.

Not to mention PDF supports vector images and 3D objects, which is something very few multi-media document formats do support. I can't see anything in the iPaper documentation about that, and the FAQ is pretty extensive.

Unfortunately, PDF gets used and abused by people that just want to make shitty eBooks, because it IS a universal format (They should have stuck with LIT, dammit!), but it's got a lot of features that a LOT of people are simply unaware of.

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Enigmabomb

mac opens them fast as hell. Mmmm Preview.

AdHustler

went to foxitsoftware.com

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AdHustler

ok...downloaded foxit and yes...it makes PDF viewing a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Thanks guyz.

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Red_Virus

Never had any problems with Adobe Reader

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hyperion

PDFs made the DP eBooks...

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Raize

iPaper does what it's supposed to do and it's only going to get better, whereas pdf is a bloated and inefficient method of displaying documents. The reason people are unaware of the pdf features that you mentioned is because a majority of people don't need and don't care about them (actually, iPaper is flash based, meaning it can probably do those things better). If you believe it is those minor differences that make one product successful over another, you need to brush up on your basic business principles. iPaper was designed for the internet from the ground up...pdf was only adapted for it.

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Paul H

Well without pdfs we wouldn't have all those nice ebooks now would we?

Tedel

+1 and much ligter... 2.5mb against 22mb...

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