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Ironically I was thinking about this last night and saw this post in a different thread.

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Originally Posted by Netphase
I will just wait for the torrent. :D


Don`t worry, I am already uploading fake vids of ``kylie`` with viruses attached to all the torrents. Enjoy ;)

Sorry kh1 but just uploading them is not enough, you need seeds to flood the torrents to get help contain piracy. 1 file uploaded and hoping for the best is simply not enough.

Moving on ... I was looking around my favorite pirate site the other day for an album and I noticed that this band basically flooded the torrent world with fake torrents to prevent sharing, like hundreds of them with hundreds of seeds/leeches each. I personally think this was genius and was so impressed by the band that I went out and bought their cd.

After that, my stoned ass started thinking about expanding this service out to the music industry as a whole. What do you guys think about setting up a few hundred computers to seed fake torrents so that the one that is real can't be found?

True there is some overhead here in CPUs and internet service, but would this not sell like hot cakes to the music & movie industry in Hollywood?

discuss ....
 


After that, my stoned ass started thinking about expanding this service out to the music industry as a whole. What do you guys think about setting up a few hundred computers to seed fake torrents so that the one that is real can't be found?

Are they one of those indie band in those small record label?

will those big record company risk a law suit to do something like this. And if those geek from digg/reddit found out it will be a PR disaster for those record label
 
Are they one of those indie band in those small record label?

will those big record company risk a law suit to do something like this. And if those geek from digg/reddit found out it will be a PR disaster for those record label

I can't see how it will be any worse PR wise than fining 12-year olds $50,000 or whatever they were doing, and they don't shy away from that.

How would they risk a law suit? Who would sue them? For what?
 
I think it`s fair game. People are trying to steal your shit, set up a booby trap. Oldest trick in the book, with a new twist.
 
I personally think this was genius and was so impressed by the band that I went out and bought their cd...

I think the true irony here is the fact that you were so impressed, you actually made a purchase. Maybe by flooding the torrents, they in effect, created an artificial buzz thus selling more cds?
 
They actually did this with Napster back in 2001. Easier then, as it was harder to weed out. Most people were too lazy to delete the files after downloading them, so it'd propagate further.

So yeah, it's a good idea... so please don't do it.

I like being able to tell if an album is worth buying before I buy it. I hate hearing a great single, shelling out for the album, only to discover that the only good thing on the album was the 1 out of 13 tracks I heard over and over.
Gary Jules fucked me over that way with his version of Mad World...
After all, if I like the album, I WILL go and buy it (usually directly from the band's site if I can). If I don't like it, well, I never would have paid for it anyway if I'd known.
 
Ironically I was thinking about this last night and saw this post in a different thread.



Sorry kh1 but just uploading them is not enough, you need seeds to flood the torrents to get help contain piracy. 1 file uploaded and hoping for the best is simply not enough.

Moving on ... I was looking around my favorite pirate site the other day for an album and I noticed that this band basically flooded the torrent world with fake torrents to prevent sharing, like hundreds of them with hundreds of seeds/leeches each. I personally think this was genius and was so impressed by the band that I went out and bought their cd.

After that, my stoned ass started thinking about expanding this service out to the music industry as a whole. What do you guys think about setting up a few hundred computers to seed fake torrents so that the one that is real can't be found?

True there is some overhead here in CPUs and internet service, but would this not sell like hot cakes to the music & movie industry in Hollywood?

discuss ....

About a year ago I was approached by a friend of mine who is a C-level executive at a major record label and she wanted me to come out to Cali to discuss ways on how to stop pirates from distributing music over the internets. I mulled over the concept of it for about a week and declined afterwards because it was just too big of a waste of time to even take a stab at it. Plus I haven't purchased a CD in nearly 10 years now. Although I did buy a few vinyl records, but that was for my decks.

Anyway, when discussing some shit with them, she sent me over a bunch of data and different ideas and proposals that were sent their way by lots of entrepeneurs, and a few hacker/security community guys who wanted to blow the whistle in exchange for compensation and protection just in case their sites would be targeted. From the data though, I saw something VERY interesting, that I haven't seen any reputable news agency report on yet. It was a type of scenario I guess you can call it, in which the live concert industry, promoters mostly, stated that music piracy was actually a benefit not something to fight. They wanted the music industry itself to embrace it, and not fight it.

They said so because the internet allowed mass distribution of music, and people were exposed to more songs, quicker. That people also got a chance to decide for themselves which songs they liked better and considered a hit, long before the radio stations or MTV/YouTube would tell them which songs are better. The end result for this was that concert ticket sales skyrocketed. Most bands/artists that were new or old and used to playing smaller shows were now given so much mass crowd appeal that they were getting requests to play more than one show in cities where they would usually play a smaller venue. Now they were able to play larger venues, charge more money (to make up for the CD sales losses) and play more than one night, or come back to that city and play to sold out crowds.

One of the most interesting aspects was that the promoters specifically pointed out that the labels wouldn't have to spend as much money on the artists as they usually would have, in terms of promotional marketing, PR, or plugs. That allowing things to be distributed and taking a loss on CD sales actually helped the artists in the long run!

What I love about these two major issues that the music and film industries constantly bitch about is that they always like to show and whine about how much they are losing, but never say how much they are making! The losses are always in the low billions of dollars, but the profits are at least triple if not quadruple it. I also blame the industry themselves on being so greedy for so long and thinking that they can go about ripping the consumers off forever.

Both industries need to start embracing technology over the internet instead of fighting against the consumers they need and depend on for revenue. By scaring HS and college kids with fines and lawsuits, they are only making it worse for themselves in the long run. For every ONE kid that is prosecuted or threatened, there are a good ONE HUNDRED or more that will see this as an act of war and keep doing what they are doing, if not on a larger scale.

The idea you proposed is a good one. But consider that the development, security and distribution community online are smarter than you and anyone who comes up with a way on how to put them out of business or threaten their operation. They will find a way around it. Quickly too. People thought that P2P apps like Napster and Kazaa would mean the end of IRC sharing and Newsgroups, and they were so so so wrong. Torrents are a great thing, and I would never want to kill that off. But hey, who am I to place judgement, if you see that the battle is worth the time, effort, and compensation reward, go for it man! I only use torrents for liveset downloads every now and then. But I can tell you, that you will have a SHITLOAD of attacks from very angry Torrent folks that would attack your operation for the hell of it, and controlling rogue attackers who's motivation has nothing to do with making money is an uphill battle you will not win. Ever.

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I thought, if I remember right, there was a lot of the whole mass torrents a few years ago when file sharing started to really take off.

It's an interesting tactic, as it will deter interwebz idiots. But the people in the know, still wont have much of a problem - slow us down, sure but we'll still get it.

Most torrent sites already allow you to post about a torrent, is it good, is it bad, and yes interwebz noob can't unzip the file. If anything, at the very least, it'll just force ahead new systems to rate and distrobute that are going to be very hard to game. Think huge interlinked social voting on torrents - so the good ones will still rise to the top reletively quick.

You can not win that game - it's not worth it. Your tactic will only be slightly effective for not that long [maybe a couple months tops] before a newer, better, more complex system is created to render it utterly usless.
 
Yea, I feel for the part about not purchasing a cd in 10 years ... In college I actually budgeted money for purchasing music/movies, glad to get rid of that expense for sure.

Ok so media defender looks like they have a place in the market. But they are certainly not the solution to the problem. I've been yankin' torrents for years and the one the other day was the 1st time I've ever remotely ran into a problem. Because of that I feel they certainly are not very good at what they do, either prevention or marketing.

Jon, trust me when I say that if this were a serious business project I wouldn't have posted it for the scavengers here. I don't like the idea of fucking with the torrent community as I'm one of them ... it was just one of those moments of clarity. Yes I do realize there would be some persecution or backlash that is involved in this opp.

Also, I never gave much consideration to how torrents help the band but hurt the record companies. This is ideal isn't it? More indie/homegrown music available to everyone ... the cream rises to the top. Bands make their money by concerts / merchandise, correct. All file sharing does is cut out the middleman (and possibly has been bands), which is the one that is screaming the loudest about how this is hurting hollywood, interesting.

Yes Rage, it would be a short-term win if anything. I'd be spending 24/7 figuring out how to stay ahead of the learning curve.
 
I read a story last year about the music industry in China, where most of the CDs on store shelves are pirated copies. Artists don't make money off their albums, but rather from concerts, merch and product licensing/endorsements.

I say fuck the record labels and their strange bedfellows at MTV. It's all social engineering.
 
Just thought of something.... isn't it illegal in most countries that have computer security laws at least, to distribute malicious viruses/software to the masses with intent of harming their files or systems?

But then again, the music and film industries have made themselves so vulnerable and desperate, that they would probably shell out millions to you just to try it, even if it doesn't work. If you do go about doing this, remember that you'll need to pitch them in person most likely. It won't be something that they will shell out tons of cash to, just because you speak to them on the phone or have a website and email addy. You will need to make it look AMAZING. You will need to approach them in a VERY professional and corporate appealing way. If they turn you down, then you're screwed... plus everyone here will hate you.
 
Just thought of something.... isn't it illegal in most countries that have computer security laws at least, to distribute malicious viruses/software to the masses with intent of harming their files or systems?

I'd probably just do ebooks or video ads for the fake torrents instead of viruses. Just a bunch of worthless garb.

... But then again, the music and film industries have made themselves so vulnerable and desperate, that they would probably shell out millions to you just to try it, even if it doesn't work. ...

That was exactly what I was thinking. Show them 1 working example (like the one I ran across) and they will probably be on board for every band they signed, at least short term.

The odd part about this niche is that it would only work for the major labels, not the smaller ones. So when pitching the idea you have to go into the heart of the beast first ... no opportunity to warm up with some of the little fish out there. They are just not interested as sharing helps them. It's the big dogs that are getting "screwed" enough to sign up.

i like OP's idea
Thx, I wouldn't do it on principal but figured I'd release it here. It'll probably take about 100k startup costs + some insiders that do business with the record execs already. But then again, you could probably charge $10k + per every record released if you can really stop the sharing. Landing 1 account would net you a couple million year 1.
 
I read a story last year about the music industry in China, where most of the CDs on store shelves are pirated copies. Artists don't make money off their albums, but rather from concerts, merch and product licensing/endorsements.

I say fuck the record labels and their strange bedfellows at MTV. It's all social engineering.

Everything is the same here except for the CD's on the shelves aren't pirated copies. Artists don't make money from selling CD's. It's all the other stuff. In another thread about the music industry I dropped a little nugget most people don't know. When a new band gets signed to a label, they don't get this amazing contract with an upfront bonus like they did once upon a time a while ago... They get a loan to get started that must be paid back or the label will sue them into the dark ages.

That's why you don't hear about too many artists complaining about music getting tossed around on the net... Except the old ones with the old-school contracts.
 
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