A Thread We Recently Deleted.. - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

Jon · 10-09-2006, 04:00 AM

Just wanted to make a quick post about this, as I got a few messages about why it was done and was asked for what reason.

The thread in question was made by Katoved about a tool to lookup people's sites.

Now normally, no one would give a shit, but the thread clearly stated and listed Shoemoney's sites. For that, it automatically goes against one of the primary rules here at WF which is "don't harass other members". That post and thread was not a joke and was made to show people the power of the tool and the fact that he had found, and posted some of Shoemoney's url's.

A lot of you may think, oh that's completely harmless, but I have to tell you that it is more than that. When someone reaches a certain level of respect or popularity in the industry, the first negative type of popularity they get is from people trying to find their sites and post them.

There is a reason we keep them private, and that reason is our own, and in exchange for allllllllllllllll of the information and help we give to our peers, the one thing we really ask for is that they respect our privacy. If we want you to know the sites, we'll post them, if not, and you happen to come across it, keep it to yourself. Don't be a douchebag and post them on an open forum (especially one where the person who's sites were posted happens to also be an admin here - that was just REALLY dumb).

The reason I'm saying "we" and not "Shoe" is because this shit happens to me all the time. I used to get messages from all of these assholes literally threatening me with "if you don't help me with this and that, I'm going to find your sites and post them", and I would always think to myself, why would you blackmail someone like that when all you have to do is just ask and I would probably answer your question anyway? That's a different scenario, but it always played into people emailing me or PM'ing me with "I found these sites, are they yours?" and they werent, at least 99.9% of the time. Then one time someone found a few of them, but they were old and I never even used them anymore, but still, posted them with that whole "haha, look what I found!", and I went apeshit on him, because he was a cock for doing so. What do you get out of finding it out and posting it anyway? Money? Respect? Nope, none of the above. Instead you are just labeled a douchebag. That same cock came here, joined my forum, and then asked me if he could work for me. In Yiddish they call it "chutzpah".

Without rambling too much off topic, I just want to let everyone know that I back Shoemoney and all of my admins and mods on the decisions they make to moderate a thread or a post if it violates one of our rules. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them or me, but chance are I'll side with them, especially if it was for something like this. None of them abuse their powers, and all of them are on the WF team because they are well respected here and outside of WF. You have no idea how much of a great job they have been doing, whether it's deleting and banning spammers before anyone even notices it, or if it's policing the forums silently, they do a great job and we should all respect them for that.

This is not a big deal, just wanted to let everyone know about it, so that before you hit the PM > Jon button, you read this first and realize it was done for a reason, whether you agree or not, the chances that something was done against you personally for no reason at all are slim to none. And when you piss off an admin by posting his sites, sorry, that's a dog eat dog kind of response that you get by posting before you think.

Don't let it happen again. Warnings for all. Just please re-read the rules, they are there for a reason, not just to make this place look like we care.

Ataraxy · 10-09-2006, 04:09 AM

You would think if someone came across a persons sites whom happened to be an "authority" in a given industry they would keep this information to themselves simply to at least learn what they could from it.

Jon · 10-09-2006, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ataraxy

You would think if someone came across a persons sites whom happened to be an "authority" in a given industry they would keep this information to themselves simply to at least learn what they could from it.

If they are fortunate enough, fine.. but posting it here or on any forum for the sake of just showing everyone "woo look what I found" is asking to get your ass kicked.

agua · 10-09-2006, 04:37 AM

Hairy Muff

Michel Z. · 10-09-2006, 05:00 AM

Quote:

That same cock came here, joined my forum, and then asked me if he could work for me. In Yiddish they call it "chutzpah".

That's me you are referring to!?

illusion · 10-09-2006, 05:48 AM

Damn straight, that is what sigs are for duh!

chrislingle · 10-09-2006, 06:08 AM

Jon, I think I was as much pissed as anyone. I think it should be known that the sites Katoved put up were shoemoney.com and some other family stuff with 2 or 3 other sites that were not much of anything.

The 2 sites I posted kidding with katoved were sites shoe himself said were his!

Nobody should out someone elses sites ever, however these were not money making sites of his. (not excusing that it was done but the reaction was over the top)

Shoes response was dead wrong and could have been handled better. You stated that you would probably side with your mod if there is an issue and well that too is a mistake. My thought was wow, pulling a MacArthur with the "baatan gang".
here is why Shoe was wrong, when a member of the forum asks why something is being locked, not edited but taken off the board so there is no record of it he tells them "whats really fun is when I delete your account keep it up fuckface"
that is not the way to respond. There was no rational explaination just a threat. So I would like to offer another rule. If you are going to call someone a fuckface, don't use this as the forum, have some real balls and do it to there face. Here it just makes you look like a pussy! I will say that to your face, so. anyway I do think the people involved are owed an apology from Shoemoney for his response in trying to find out why something was being done. NOT for the removal of the sites.

show some class and this place will get nothing but better. and mods, explain what you are doing in that situation. it would save the drama!

sebastya · 10-09-2006, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrislingle

Jon, I think I was as much pissed as anyone. I think it should be known that the sites Katoved put up were shoemoney.com and some other family stuff with 2 or 3 other sites that were not much of anything.

The 2 sites I posted kidding with katoved were sites shoe himself said were his!

Nobody should out someone elses sites ever, however these were not money making sites of his. (not excusing that it was done but the reaction was over the top)

Shoes response was dead wrong and could have been handled better. You stated that you would probably side with your mod if there is an issue and well that too is a mistake. My thought was wow, pulling a MacArthur with the "baatan gang".
here is why Shoe was wrong, when a member of the forum asks why something is being locked, not edited but taken off the board so there is no record of it he tells them "whats really fun is when I delete your account keep it up fuckface"
that is not the way to respond. There was no rational explaination just a threat. So I would like to offer another rule. If you are going to call someone a fuckface, don't use this as the forum, have some real balls and do it to there face. Here it just makes you look like a pussy! I will say that to your face, so. anyway I do think the people involved are owed an apology from Shoemoney for his response in trying to find out why something was being done. NOT for the removal of the sites.

show some class and this place will get nothing but better. and mods, explain what you are doing in that situation. it would save the drama!

shoemoney said that? lmao

A-D · 10-09-2006, 08:45 AM

Shoemoney needs to fix his double standards. Its ok for him to post other peoples keywords to thousands of people on his blog http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/08/28/...itors-keywords
What if You could get a List of Your Competitors Keywords!!
But if someone posts some of his sites he goes mad?

chrislingle · 10-09-2006, 09:09 AM

A-D, for once good point, but that was a "test" and he did not do it to his friend just people he did not know so that made that ok. lol

deronsizemore · 10-09-2006, 09:36 AM

I find that most situations such as this are "do as I say, not as I do" type things.

Juicify · 10-09-2006, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrislingle

Jon, I think I was as much pissed as anyone. I think it should be known that the sites Katoved put up were shoemoney.com and some other family stuff with 2 or 3 other sites that were not much of anything.

The 2 sites I posted kidding with katoved were sites shoe himself said were his!

Nobody should out someone elses sites ever, however these were not money making sites of his. (not excusing that it was done but the reaction was over the top)

Never saw the thread but if it were just these sites. Well, it seems like the reaction was indeed over the top.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-D

Shoemoney needs to fix his double standards. Its ok for him to post other peoples keywords to thousands of people on his blog http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/08/28/...itors-keywords
What if You could get a List of Your Competitors Keywords!!
But if someone posts some of his sites he goes mad?

Very much agree.

CreationNation · 10-09-2006, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-D

Shoemoney needs to fix his double standards. Its ok for him to post other peoples keywords to thousands of people on his blog http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/08/28/...itors-keywords
What if You could get a List of Your Competitors Keywords!!
But if someone posts some of his sites he goes mad?

I never saw the thread/context the links were in etc. - and not to cause any issues or step on toes, but A-D does have a point, and I don't think it would fall so much into the apples and oranges category

Xrproto · 10-09-2006, 10:30 AM

Ha! I missed all the drama.

Anyway...just because I can piss on your shoe doesn't mean I won't get mad if you piss on mine.

deronsizemore · 10-09-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CreationNation

I never saw the thread/context the links were in etc. - and not to cause any issues or step on toes, but A-D does have a point, and I don't think it would fall so much into the apples and oranges category

You've got a great name Deron!

CreationNation · 10-09-2006, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

You've got a great name Deron!

We are an elite few eh!

tangem2 · 10-09-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-D

Shoemoney needs to fix his double standards. Its ok for him to post other peoples keywords to thousands of people on his blog http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/08/28/...itors-keywords
What if You could get a List of Your Competitors Keywords!!
But if someone posts some of his sites he goes mad?

I agree but can understand why people dont want their sites revealed

deronsizemore · 10-09-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreationNation

We are an elite few eh!

Yeah, I've only seen one other person with their name spelled the way I spell it. How do you pronounce your name? Like Darrin, only spelled Deron?

engaged · 10-09-2006, 11:44 AM

Jon likes men!

CreationNation · 10-09-2006, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

Yeah, I've only seen one other person with their name spelled the way I spell it. How do you pronounce your name? Like Darrin, only spelled Deron?

Exactly - or you can pronounce it like my 9th grade Science teacher: Dee-ron

I think mine was spelled after a baseball player, this guy I think: http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsde01.shtml

chrislingle · 10-09-2006, 12:22 PM

wow, a thread started discussing the fact that someone who is a "super mod" here, wf, a place that is being sold as a just about anything goes place deleated 2 threads, he has not been on the site enough to know that there was not 1 bit of an attack on him by katoved when he posted a tool that hell, I don't know can I post the link to the tool? that shows what sites share an ip. instead of just editing the post and saying "here is the tool, we do not post peoples sites here it is harasment" he gets his nickers in a twist and starts making threats of deleting accounts if you don't stop asking why something has happened. If you want to know what happened I have screen captures of every page from both threads shoe deleted!

kyleirwin · 10-09-2006, 12:33 PM

This is all retarded... shoe knows damn well that anybody can find those sites. If he gave a shit, he would pay the extra $2 a month and put them on a different IP. I'm sure half the active members on here have used a reverse-ip tool before, it's no secret. Kavoted is lame for posting up the sites in the way he did, and shoe is lame for giving a shit.

Matt · 10-09-2006, 12:39 PM

what tool are you guys on about

Wiy · 10-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

what tool are you guys on about

I am not sure what tool kat posted but this one does the same thing http://whois.webhosting.info/

katoved · 10-09-2006, 12:59 PM

Wow, Im amazed at all the contraversy I created. That is really fucking lame and sad. None of the sites I posted were even worth a shit. I didn't know Shoemoney gets his dick sucked by so many webmasters. This forum was supposed to be a "Wicked" "Fire" and crazy. You facist fuck, let freedom of information rain supreme.

katoved · 10-09-2006, 01:02 PM

http://www.seologs.com/

By the way, the tool I used is on SEOlogs. A great site.

katoved · 10-09-2006, 01:03 PM

Please stop PM'ing me about where to find the tool and what the sites were. Appearantly people are more interested than Jon supposes people are. Oh wait, Im just a douchebag.

Uzzz · 10-09-2006, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrislingle

here is why Shoe was wrong, when a member of the forum asks why something is being locked, not edited but taken off the board so there is no record of it he tells them "whats really fun is when I delete your account keep it up fuckface"
that is not the way to respond.

You know i coudlnt stop laughing when he posted that...i was gonna post a smart ass reply...but i feared for my account lol....thats not cool. Oh well.

deronsizemore · 10-09-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CreationNation

Exactly - or you can pronounce it like my 9th grade Science teacher: Dee-ron

I think mine was spelled after a baseball player, this guy I think: http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsde01.shtml

Whoa. That's where my father got the spelling for my name as well!

10-09-2006, 04:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
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10-09-2006, 05:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
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10-09-2006, 06:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
chrislingle Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,544 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Jon, I think I was as much pissed as anyone. I think it should be known that the sites Katoved put up were shoemoney.com and some other family stuff with 2 or 3 other sites that were not much of anything. The 2 sites I posted kidding with katoved were sites shoe himself said were his! Nobody should out someone elses sites ever, however these were not money making sites of his. (not excusing that it was done but the reaction was over the top) Shoes response was dead wrong and could have been handled better. You stated that you would probably side with your mod if there is an issue and well that too is a mistake. My thought was wow, pulling a MacArthur with the "baatan gang". here is why Shoe was wrong, when a member of the forum asks why something is being locked, not edited but taken off the board so there is no record of it he tells them *"whats really fun is when I delete your account keep it up fuckface"* that is not the way to respond. There was no rational explaination just a threat. So I would like to offer another rule. If you are going to call someone a fuckface, don't use this as the forum, have some real balls and do it to there face. Here it just makes you look like a pussy! I will say that to your face, so. anyway I do think the people involved are owed an apology from Shoemoney for his response in trying to find out why something was being done. NOT for the removal of the sites. *show some class and this place will get nothing but better. and mods, explain what you are doing in that situation. it would save the drama!* Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 08:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
A-D NSFW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 298 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Shoemoney needs to fix his double standards. Its ok for him to post other peoples keywords to thousands of people on his blog http://www.shoemoney.com/2006/08/28/...itors-keywords What if You could get a List of Your Competitors Keywords!! But if someone posts some of his sites he goes mad? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ !

10-09-2006, 09:09 AM	#10 (permalink)
chrislingle Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,544 iTrader: 0 / 0%	A-D, for once good point, but that was a "test" and he did not do it to his friend just people he did not know so that made that ok. lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 09:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
deronsizemore Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 198 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I find that most situations such as this are "do as I say, not as I do" type things. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 10:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Xrproto Waste of e-space Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,882 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Ha! I missed all the drama. Anyway...just because I can piss on your shoe doesn't mean I won't get mad if you piss on mine. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I can assure you I am as insane as the next man.

10-09-2006, 11:44 AM	#19 (permalink)
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10-09-2006, 12:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
chrislingle Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,544 iTrader: 0 / 0%	wow, a thread started discussing the fact that someone who is a "super mod" here, wf, a place that is being sold as a just about anything goes place deleated 2 threads, he has not been on the site enough to know that there was not 1 bit of an attack on him by katoved when he posted a tool that hell, I don't know can I post the link to the tool? that shows what sites share an ip. instead of just editing the post and saying "here is the tool, we do not post peoples sites here it is harasment" he gets his nickers in a twist and starts making threats of deleting accounts if you don't stop asking why something has happened. If you want to know what happened I have screen captures of every page from both threads shoe deleted! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 12:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
kyleirwin I <3 babies, money & guns Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 1,819 iTrader: 1 / 100%	This is all retarded... shoe knows damn well that anybody can find those sites. If he gave a shit, he would pay the extra $2 a month and put them on a different IP. I'm sure half the active members on here have used a reverse-ip tool before, it's no secret. Kavoted is lame for posting up the sites in the way he did, and shoe is lame for giving a shit. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Nobody ever lost their shirt with their sleeves rolled up.

10-09-2006, 12:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
Matt Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 388 iTrader: 0 / 0%	what tool are you guys on about Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 12:59 PM	#25 (permalink)
katoved Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,313 iTrader: 2 / 75%	Wow, Im amazed at all the contraversy I created. That is really fucking lame and sad. None of the sites I posted were even worth a shit. I didn't know Shoemoney gets his dick sucked by so many webmasters. This forum was supposed to be a "Wicked" "Fire" and crazy. You facist fuck, let freedom of information rain supreme. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 01:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
katoved Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,313 iTrader: 2 / 75%	http://www.seologs.com/ By the way, the tool I used is on SEOlogs. A great site. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

10-09-2006, 01:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
katoved Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,313 iTrader: 2 / 75%	Please stop PM'ing me about where to find the tool and what the sites were. Appearantly people are more interested than Jon supposes people are. Oh wait, Im just a douchebag. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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