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Old 09-23-2008, 08:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Douchebag America Gone Wild! Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains,

Okay this is about as stupid as it gets. I am so glad that I have been placing my bets on Europe as my main focus rather than USofA for some time now.

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“”The Domain names shall be immediately transferred by their respective registrars to an account of the Commonwealth of Kentucky “”.

The seizure was taken after the Commonwealth found that the “domains were being used in connection with illegal gambling activity”.

However some of these domains are simply parked domains not sites taking bets.

The domains seized include: (the full list is on the adobe file)

fulltiltpoker.com
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GoldenPalace.com
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So if tomorrow some staunchly catholic judge or governor of some state decides that they don't like my adult or gay-dating site or domain they can get it seized?
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Looks like some US based registrars have already started pushing domains into kentucky's account -- while some like Moniker have put it in their own escrow account till the matter becomes clear.

Another reason to go offshore with your domains so that the registrar does not have to give two hoots about the orders passed by some retard in the land of the "free".
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scary shit
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Man... it's disturbing that they can do shit like that and get away with it.
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No different than if I were to buy domains with CP references in them
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Some HUGE poker sites on there, I doubt they'll let that float, send out the lawyers!
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Some HUGE poker sites on there, I doubt they'll let that float, send out the lawyers!
The ones who have their names offshore are safe. Bodog guys learnt it the hard way to not have their names in US.
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The problem is similar to the one that British guy in Spain had a while back. He was/is a travel agent type guy, and had several dot com domains he was using to promote travel to Cuba. He is not a U.S. citizen, had never been to the U.S. and didn't deal with any U.S. citizens in his business. Thus he was not violating any trade embargos or travel restrictions. Yet he woke up one morning to find out that just about all, if not all, of his domains associated with Cuba were seized by the U.S. federal government.

I don't clearly remember how they were able to do it. But the jist is his registrar(s) were U.S. based, and furthermore, the article I read said something about how dot com domains (like .us) are under the jurisdiction of the U.S. So I guess even if you use an offshore registrar, they can still snag your dot com domains if they don't like what you're doing.

Is there any validity to that, or was it simply because he was using American registrars?
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Nope. It was because he was using an American Registrar. Your agreement is between you and the registrars -- and registrar has to comply with the local laws.

I have never heard Verisign being forced to relinquish a domain -- and if the US was able to do so then they would have already done so in a LOT of cases.
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All hail the land of the free!

Seriosuly? Pokerstars.com? That's one of the biggest poker sites on the internetz.
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Gee, I guess Kentucky will be shuting-down all that evil gambling that goes on at Churchill Downs in Louisville and Keeneland race course in Lexington.

I KNOW they'll stand by their principles and put a stop to that evil Kentucky Derby that brings in billions of dollars to the state every year.

And I'm sure that the crowds will still show-up at those race tracks to watch horses run around in a circle without betting.
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well if this is the case, what are some good offshore registrars?
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Old 09-23-2008, 12:26 PM   #14 (permalink)
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But... I thought in the commercials they always point out "this is not a gambling website" lol

Even so, thats a bunch of bullshit from our good 'ol gov.
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Thats fucked up! What does this have to do with Kentucky, anything?

I can't believe they are taking GoldenPalace.com, that's the place that has won a lot of those crazy ebay auctions... PEOPLE HAVE THE DOMAIN TATTOOED ON THEIR BODY!
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GoldenPalace.com, wow, those people with the tatoos must be having a heart attack right about now.
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Gandi.net, Joker.com, DirectI.com, InternetX.com and the best - Fabulous.com.
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That is some crazy shit. I know each state is its own entity but fucking hell do they really have the power to do that?
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They're already taking over our financial institution, now they can just strip ownership away from domain names, wtf is happening to America? Looking to Russia for guidance? This is ridiculous.
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Sorry Firelead, Rednecks are already at Work --

LuckyPyramidCasino.com seized by Kentucky Governor, Who is Next to fall?

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Lesson: Move out all your precious domains which are at risk from these members of the moral-police out of a place which claims to have "free speech" to one which actually has free speech and where they don't impose their ideas and religion on you.
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What is illegal gambling activity? And what about trails? This sounds crazy... They just take whole businesses down without a trail or even a notification?! That shit is totally haywire.
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anything other than that easily faked court order to verify this? as in...have any of these domains actually been transferred anywhere? doesn't look like it.
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anything other than that easily faked court order to verify this? as in...have any of these domains actually been transferred anywhere? doesn't look like it.
Guess you didn't read my post above Nicky. The transfer has already started -- and Moniker has placed domains into their own escrow account.

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anything other than that easily faked court order to verify this? as in...have any of these domains actually been transferred anywhere? doesn't look like it.
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Oh yeah, it's soooooo stupid to be skeptical of some douche from another country bashing america. And as if registering domains offshore is even close to safe...
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shouldnt something like that be done by the federal govt, instead of some hick governor from Kentucky. Fucking rednecks.
Seems pretty skethchy, I dont think this will last, hopefully
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The thugs have found a way to tax us without representation. ICANN gets a percentage off of each domain name registered above and beyond what it actually costs to administer and manage the DNS.

A few years ago there was an attempt to bring representation to domain name registrants but the US government put a halt to it. I guess they knew what they were doing??
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Brar, the articles mention luckypyramidcasino.com was taken which looks like nothing more than a shitty casino affiliate site...check out the archive: Lucky Pyramid Casino
no one has ever heard of that domain before this.

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Anyone know how this is affecting Vegas? Are people from Kentucky going to be prevented from going to Nevada now?
This is just dumb. Really, really dumb.

Actually, a thought occured to me, reading the other article.
People in Government often have their ears to the ground for other levels of Government. Could it be that people in Kentucky got wind of HR6870, and decided that this would be a great way for Kentucky to make some money?
Either ransoming the sites, selling them off, or even changing some local laws and then administering themselves and holding onto the profits. Dunno how they'd get away with ant of that at all, but the line between organised crime and the US government is getting thinner lately.

Brar: Yeah, saw this on DNF. Funny seeing a few people crap their pants. I feel sorry for the schmucks that register through HoDaddy just to save a couple of lousy dollars per domain (when they're getting ROIs on some of them in the tens of thousand percents).
In a way, I'm kinda glad that I'm using local registrars, even if they are a bit on the pricey side.

Bofu: Domaining's a perfectly legitimate form of making money ooohh fuck I can't keep a straight face typing that... but you can make good money out of it, is my point.

Nickycakes: Is Brar a douche because he's foreign, or justcause you don't like him personally?
If it's just because he's foreign, that's not really cool.
Either way, this shit IS actually happening.
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Nickycakes: Is Brar a douche because he's foreign, or justcause you don't like him personally?
If it's just because he's foreign, that's not really cool.
Either way, this shit IS actually happening.
Him being foreign certainly contributes a lot to being a douche, yes.
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How expensive of a domain should I use to start making fun of you?
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ok, some extra insight into this: Top News Archive | WebProNews

Apparently, this massive overstepping of the bounds of State government authority is being justified by it not being taxed and monitored by the state of Kentucky...
Hmmm, better annex Nevada and Monte Carlo then. And Poland while we're at it, just because it was always part of Kentucky
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I rest my long-term case about the state of your mental health. ktxbye.
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goldencasino.com (click on whois tab)
I should have DirectI's POV on this soon... given a phone call to the guys there.
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I don't know who is smoking more crack? the state of Kentucky... or the registrars actually complying...
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I should have DirectI's POV on this soon... given a phone call to the guys there.
Just currios about the response... you have any updates on this?
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So if tomorrow some staunchly catholic judge or governor of some state decides that they don't like my adult or gay-dating site or domain they can get it seized?
No shit, I didn't know you were gay.
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Just currios about the response... you have any updates on this?
Actually, I never got a chance to follow up with them. I will be meeting virtually every registrar in next few weeks at Cairo so I will be discussing the same.

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Hahah! Just because I have domains in the niche doesn't make me gay...
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Doesn't this violate the constitution?

On top of that, Kentucky is taking over these sites simply to get rid of competition for their own gambling programs. It'll only be a matter of time before Kentucky tries to take Amazon.com to help eliminate competition for stores in Kentucky.
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It now seems that they can keep the domains, so long as they make sure no one from Kentucky can go there, and the domain owners don't have icecreams in their back pockets.
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