high risk

Have you guys tried these? I just posted about them on my blog.. zomg.

<- really all I can say

BTW, the blog post has shameless affiliate links to Amazon, if that sort of thing offends you - don't click them and don't eat my cookies.

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justaime

I've never tried them personally, but I hear they are amazing for energy but taste like ass.

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high risk

You remember those Sweet Tarts candies? It's like a liquid version of that.. which isn't so pleasant, but I find if you chill them the taste isn't very strong. I do recommend having a chaser around. Coincidentally the name of the company that makes them is Chaser, haha..

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Jsmith

I have tried 5 hour energy and it seems to live up to its name.

AMagz

I'm not sure if it was a placebo effect or what, but they do seem to work. Definitely have a chaser around tho

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Ruck

I can only get about 2 hours out of one. I tried drinking 2 at once and I got sick as fuck. Seriously, dont do that. I guess it's because I am 250, I dunno. I cannot get more than 2 hours of pick me up out of one. But they do taste like ass.

alexa7

Turbo FTW

Mahzkrieg

Snort some cocaine like a fucking adult.

IronLogik

hahaha.

alexb

Those things are weak. I drank one to try and stay awake during a long car trip, fell asleep 10 minutes later.

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UltimateJakob

Caffiene = borrowed energy
Taurine = borrowed energy
Sugar = borrowed energy

Borrowed energy = adrenaline produced in excess by the adrenal glands do to stimulant use.

Excess adrenal use leads to adrenal fatigue which = chronic fatigue syndrome..

Have fun with those drinks but remember that if you over do it, and you will know you have because they stop working, you could end up tired all the time.

I know cause I am experiencing it.

Just my two cents, its all good at the end of the day just don't rely on them for energy or you will pay for it.

Hit me up if you don't get it, I have a nutrional background - not preachin just makin sure we don't all end up dead at 40 ( no time to enjoy all that money we busted our asses making)

Mahzkrieg

For someone with a (sic) "nutrional background", how could you possibly lump sugar with taurine (an amino sulfonic acid with few studies that even suggest it provides energy although it has many other health benefits) and caffeine (a xanthoid psychoactive, central nervous stimulant)?

Their long-term effects on the body are VASTLY different, and they are not the foundation for chronic fatigue syndrome developments, "chronic fatigue syndrome" being a HUGE blanket term that is the diagnosis of MANY conditions with uncertain causation.

This said, the high and persistent consumption of Taurine has zero known DETRIMENTAL long-term effects. It's an amino acid formed in bile, but with no carboxyl group so it can't even modify local RNA. Like the over-consumption of any amino acid (or similar acid), it will simply get treated as waste.

The high and persistent consumption of Caffeine (under 650mg a day) is only consistently related to a dependency on it where the user merely suffers withdrawal, which is a short-term inhibition that is quickly compensated (unlike, say, heroin withdrawal). Addiction level brain dendrites associated with the persistent use of caffeine recede very quickly so the addiction passes quickly after a short duration of caffeine abstinence. Of course, the withdrawal is associate with fatigue, but it's not chronic.

The high and persistent consumption of Sugar, however, is complete shit. Sugar is your culprit in energy drinks and the reason why almost all energy drinks on the market suck a dick. Energy drinks are literally soda drinks marketed with trace amounts of "herbal energy" and small amount of Taurine... but with the sugar consumption you get with a fucking tall boy of Grape soda. Avoid sugar.

If you drink a Coca Cola to stay awake, why don't you just cut the bullshit and stick a horse tranquilizer in your leg? It will have the same effect except that at least a horse tranquilizer doesn't make you feel like you just squeezed the energy out of your brain with a vice grip.

If you want energy, you're better off drinking a bold, dark cup of coffee or some concentrated cups of tea, neither of which you will add sugar to. If you are 12 years old and need sugar, add a less refined sugar to it like brown sugar or a natural honey -- anything without high fructose corn syrup.

Or you can just drop sugar all together, which is probably the reason you're waging never-ending war with the last inch of your braided belt, you* fat fuck.

*I felt like throwing this in there. This doesn't go out to anybody in particular, although it may be an allusion to Jon's current mistress. I hear she wears braided belts.

RockDiesel

it's basically overpriced Vitamin B and Caffeine.

All they are capitalizing on are peoples Vitamin B deficiencies due to poor diets. They throw the caffeine in their so that way if the Vitamin B doesn't do the trick for the consumer, at least the caffeine will give them a small jolt so they think it is working.

The "energy blend"? also a joke. Just another way to keep the consumer in the dark about how much of each ingredient is actually in the drink .

Would rather spend my money elsewhere.

LazyHippy

So true, the burnout/comedown after loads of caffeine & taurine can be worse than speed.

Not sure about these 5 hour drinks, but I've just picked up some (legal) stimulants containing kola nut extract (as in cocacola) acorrus calamus & piperine - anyone had experience with this shit?

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Mahzkrieg

Drop kola nut. It's a popular thing to chew in Africa where it seems to be linked to cancer. A carcinogen has been isolated from it.

Don't take piperine with other medication. It literally almost shuts off the metabolic factory that processes drugs in your body. I know it almost completely halts some blood barriers with the adrenal glands and part of the brain's cortex, so I wouldn't even use it with caffeine if you want the caffeine to work.

Sweet flag is a pretty historical compound though. Not sure about its energy boosting effects.

I suggest at least two things before inducing new compounds:
- Google "<suppment name> toxicity" and see if anything comes up.
- Wikipedia it.

JamesH

Well since there are two nutritionists in here, mind if I ask a question? What is a healthy supplement that can provide a similar buzz such as a few energy drinks or even Adderall? Does such a thing exist? I can't imagine coffee or tea providing a similar effect. And with regards to coffee, wouldn't all that caffeine be a bad thing for you?

Phre0nBurn

JamesH - Wanna sell me some of those AD's?
ahaha


I pounded 2 5 Hour Energy drinks once at a truck stop between Havasu and Phoenix... I had been up for 2 days straight. I chased them with 2 regular Redbulls

About 40 minutes later I found myself waking up driving off the road.

They didn't do shit.


Btw, in case you're wondering, I made the rest of the 4 hour trip. I figured out that if I get off on EVERY exit from the freeway, run around the car 2-3 times, and hit myself, then get back in and mash it, I could make it to the next offramp without dozing off.

Sitting still is what kills you.

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Mahzkrieg

First things first. What do you want your "buzz" for?

To wake up, take a moderate amount of caffeine. You can chain-drink moderate levels of coffee/tea with no harmful side-effects.

To get a recreational buzz, crush Adderall and roll up a dollar bill.

For productivity, get an Instant Release (IR) Adderall prescription and don't take more than 5 to 7.5mg at once. Don't be a fucking wuss and get addicted either. Make a solid checklist of tasks, set up your work environment, and then pop the pill. Don't take it all day. Don't take it every day.

If you're always fatigued, hit the gym.

JamesH

I'd like the buzz to get a lot of AM work done quickly. I've always heard that extended use of Adderall (especially if you aren't ADD) is bad for you. Is there something else I could use to switch it up everyday?

Mahzkrieg

When you throw around the word "buzz", it sounds like you want that narcotic euphoria. A healthy use of Adderall will not give you much of a euphoric buzz. However, psychological dependencies develop when people don't think it's working unless they ARE "buzzed" which is a horrible psychology.

If you take Adderall, don't take it every day, take the smallest dose possible, and get your shit done when you take it. You also want to dose Vitamin C and Magnesium (or take a complete multivitamin) a few hours before you pop amphetamine.

Psychostimulants like caffeine will give you a sort of buzz as well. Moderate amounts of coffee is good for you. Moderate amounts of caffeine isn't bad for you.

For focus, you can try to up your intake of B vitamins, B-12 and B-6 in particular, but they make eachother more bioavailable so take a B-all pill.

Try Phospha-lipids too, like Phosphatidylserine.

Check out evitamins.com for reviews of amphetamine alterantives. Try all alternatives before reverting to Adderall. Only take Adderall for work CRUNCHES and not for every day tasks.

Two products I quickly found on evitamins.com were Added Attention and Focus for Adults. They have B-vitamins and P-Lipids in common with my suggestion. Try them out.

A better and cheaper and less marketed alternative to those would be to research what you can ingest more naturally that is high in B-vitamins and P-lipids. Or compile a list of those products, write down common ingredients across similar products with good reviews, and then seek out the isolated ingredients.

The most cost effective way would be to get a solid placebo going of course.

turbolapp

Good old fashioned coffee works for me. My credentials? Taking care of a newborn.

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JamesH

You're right, buzz is the wrong word. It's just that when I use these stimulants my concentration levels go through the rough along with my productivity. I'll definitely take a look at the information you provided. Thanks bro

medicalhumor

LOL -and if you breastfeed your newborn, there's nuthin like fresh cappuccino straight from the tap!
What you take in, so does your baby.

Post office by my house has a funny sign up on the wall:

All children left unattended will be given Expresso and a Free Puppy!

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puroz

I tryed one. Tasted like shit and made me jittery. Caffeine pills do the same and cost 1/100th

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-Matt-

Quick question: to you, what is a moderate level of caffeine. Where does popping a 200mg nodoz every 3-4 hours fall on your chart?

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Bofu2U

Seconded. Usually in the course of an hour and a half in the morning I'll chain-drink 2 Redline XTREME's and pop a 200mg nodoz.

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RockDiesel

if you are looking for more sustained energy levels throughout the day then daily nutrition would be the first area I would evaluate, personally.

see how that effects your focus and productivity before moving on to stimulants (not that I am against them because I have used them in the past and still take a 200mg caff. pill immediately upon waking).

RockDiesel

well the half-life of caffeine is about 3 hours, I think, (although it can vary greatly depending on numerous factors). so it is still somewhat in your system after those 3-4 hours. in my opinion, 200-400mg a day would be moderate (about 2 cups of coffee). However, Mahzkrieg prolly knows more than me.

-Matt-

Between nodoz, coffee, and energy drinks, my average daily caffeine intake is somewhere around 1,200-1,500 mg

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How else am I to get him to focus on cranking out the campaigns to make me the moniez?

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RockDiesel

just did a quick google search on 1,200mg of caffeine and some site called caffeinedependence.org had this to say - "High doses of caffeine (750 to 1200 mg/day spread throughout the day) administered daily, have been shown to produce "complete" tolerance (i.e., caffeine effects are no longer different from baseline or placebo) to some, but not all of the effects of caffeine."

i don't see a reference though, but I would agree that you are definitely in the high range. that's a shit ton of caffeine. I would hate to experience the headaches you would get if you went cold turkey.

ImagesAndWords

@Mahzkrieg: Man.. Lots of great info there. I didn't even know half this stuff. Impressive.

Mods - someone give this guy an official "WF Pharmaceutical Guide" badge.

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dagreek

I take 30mg xtra length daily. I can sleep for 3 hours and stay awake all day no problem. In fact my eyes are so wide open they water.

cardine

If you have caffeine everyday the effect goes away, and you become dependent on it just to prevent a crash.

Take 200mg twice/week on the days that you need the energy most. Caffeine does a great job, but once you're dependent it doesn't do shit.

HarveyJ

Mahzkrieg: You know your shit, mate.
We learnt about all this in highschool bio, and the sales of the energy drinks at the canteen just plummeted.

I love coffee for the flavour, unfortunately.
I've found Lucozade (for the glycose) and an apple work nicely if I haven't eaten and my blood sugar's low.
But if I need a kick, a good strong cup of Celestial Seasonings white pear tea. Any white tea would do, but I like the flavour of this one in particular. There's a hell of a lot of caffiene in the stuff.

As for cocaine, I don't know about other people, but I never found it to last all that long. Pseudoephedrine has always been my chemical stimulant of choice, and you can get it over the counter if you have a blocked nose and complain about how phenylephrine doesn't work for you "as a decongestant"
(which it really doesn't for me... the shit is a placebo and studies have shown it!)

Dude, your liver is going to look like pattè... Go cold turkey for a week. You're going to feel tired as all get out, but you need to cut back.
Moderate = a couple of cups of coffee. So 120-200mg per day.

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xmcp123

^qft. I have a prescription for it, and it's amazing how non functional/twitchy/uncofortable you can be if you don't have it for a day or two and are used to taking it every day. (daily for 6 years, currently at 40mg dose of xr)

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Jon

Not sure if they still sell/produce it anymore but its called "Cocaine".

It tastes HORRIBLE, but a teaspoon of the stuff will make you feel fucking alive for hours. Its got so much power its unreal. But again, it tastes like crap, even if you mix it into another drink, theres just no avoiding it.

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-Matt-

Just to see, I went cold turkey for just a single day about 3 weeks ago. No caffeine period. I made myself even avoid soda and chocolate just to see the effects.

I was tired all day - and by 3 pm I had a huge fucking headache. I was popping advil like they were m&ms.


-Signed, Shot Liver

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LazyHippy

This stuff? Cocaine (drink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

I think they took the pseudoephedrine out of Sudafed over here unfortunately, had a great night with it in Thailand though!

Never found cocaine a very productive drug personally either, too intense and short-lasting (and way too moorish!). I bet chewing the leaves would be more slow-release but also reportedly tastes like shit!

Anyone looked into using the stimulant properties of diet pills? Ephedrine? Hoodia? - that's banned in the US now isn't it?

Be useful to find alternatives, but I think it's gonna come down to caffeine or amphetamines and the shit that goes with them.

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guerilla

Started off with NoDoz in high school.

Used to do ephedrine about 10 years ago. Great shit, I was zoomin' but it also made me want to attack people. Basically, I felt like I was moving at double or triple the speed of everyone else. The power was a real rush.

Done a bunch of herbals, they made me ill. Was a 10 cup of coffee, 16 cup of Diet Pepsi a day drinker, scaled that back to a 6 and 2. Drink Decaf in the evenings, it's the only way I can sleep without my heart pounding in my ears.

I've been burnt out, rejuvenated and burnt out again so many times, it's a miracle my synapses still fire. Planning to make a big run here through the Depression, I'm interested on trying my luck with some quality buzzjoy one more time for maximum productivity and profitability.

Btw, caffeinated mints rock. I was addicted to them for a couple years. FOOSH is solid, and these chocolate mints are so tasty.

Great thread.

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high risk

This turned into an awesome thread, going back through and reading all of the longer posts now.. to the people saying that the 5 Hour stuff didn't do anything for you, it is largely vitamins B12 and B6.

That said, my diet.. sucks. So it's very plausible I, and a lot of others who report success with this stuff, have B deficiencies and thus it gives us that "B12 shot!" effect.

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grafixguru36

Haven't tried it, but it looks like it would kick my stomachs ass based on everyone saying it tastes like ass. For those of you that have tried it, how bad is the caffeine crash afterwards?

JamesH

I just took one of those 5-Hour energy shots. I took a sip of it, and it tasted pretty bad. So I poured it into a cup and just treated it like a shot, getting it down in 1 gulp. It's working pretty well for me. Its hour 1 so far, and I have a lot of energy (was about to go to sleep at 4pm because I'm so tired and wanted to catch up on sleep, but now I'm really hyped up). I'll report if I crash anytime soon.

seocracy

Yup! Good ol' Bolivian Marching Powder.....

but fuck...it doesn't help my productivity at all.....whenever I take it I can't seem to stop masturbating.......

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Janaic

I also like ZipFizz, mix it with water and BAM - flavorful water with lots of energy.

LazyHippy

This 5-hour energy stuff sounds similar to Thai Red Bull, Krating Daeng - which is fucking great for energy (but gives ya weird dreams!) There's loads of shit about it containing speed and after a mad night on it I did some digging, seems it's got some stuff that makes the caffeine and taurine more effective, speed is an urban myth. (Wish I could find the shit I found about it.)

Not sure if they are doing the same thing (resident chemists?) but both seem to be a syrupy shot and use other shit to enhance the effect of the caffiene and taurine.

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natekapi

I agree that these 5 hour energy drinks do seem to live up to the name. When I'm doing a long drive and am getting tired I always take one of these. I flew cross country this summer, stayed up almost all of the night before and was running on empty by 10pm PST once I got there. Took one of these bad boys then hit some bars with my friends and was good as gold all night.

If I need to get work done and am tired I'll go to the store and pick one up.

The taste is.....weird. Shitty ass lemon/lime imposter.

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JamesH

I tried the lemon/lime first and then had a berry one another day, and the berry one was much better. They really do have an interesting taste. I found that it gave me a nice buzz of energy, but it only lasted about 20-30 minutes. Then it was just a regular blend of energy that lasted a few hours. I'm not sure about 5 hours, but I still think it was worth the few bucks.