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Would you like to be judged based on the actions of even your closest friends and family? Especially when the stuff was over quarter of a century ago. Plus, from the little I know, it looks like he might've had a point - trying to overthrow a corrupt government that was serving vested interests. Freedom fighter or terrorist?
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You are however wrong about the FANNIE/FREDDIE thing. That was very much a democrat's project cooked up by democrats for the poor people (more democrats) who can't afford homes to be able to purchase them. Let me repeat that one more time. These people could not afford houses and the democrats pushed this system through (under Clinton, a democrat) that said ... ooh give them the house, we've got their back. Then, what a surprise, they couldn't pay and foreclosures are causing the housing bubble to burst. It's biting us in the ass right about now and quite possibly is the straw that is breaking our economy's back (though it's not the only cause). |
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If Ayers was a 'Freedom Fighter', I'd love to know what freedoms he was denied so much that he felt he had to fight for them.
Freedom fighters stand up for the innocent and would never think of bombing a building full of innocents. You have to admit, calling him a freedom fighter is flimsy at best.
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How the fuck does me saying I don't mind paying the extra taxes that are a part of his plan imply I would like an extra trillion dollars of deficit? That's a real mindfuck of a thought process. (ok, I won't be a dick after this part of the post, I just have absolutely idea where you got that) Quote:
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That said, I feel that the symbolic 3rd party vote is part of what is wrong with this country right now. I feel like the situation right now is bad enough that the time for symbolism is completely over. Symbols are just that, symbols. Indicators or reminders of a concept/idea. They are not actions or even planning. And right now, those are what we need. We need to sit down, iron out a real plan, and hit it balls to the wall. Either that or we're fucked. I've rarely met a 3rd party voter who wasn't at least pretty well informed on the issues, and it fucking sucks that some of the few people in this country that know their head from their ass politically are wasting a vote on a symbol rather than actually trying to help us figure out which of the realistic candidates is going to at least have a decent chance of success. Quote:
I have VERY straightlaced relatives who were dropping acid and enjoying the free love in a hippy van back then.
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I guess that makes bombing government buildings OK then.
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According to this graph, I walk away with an extra $410 under McCain.
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I think most people have known and in many cases befriended some very fucked up people. It's unavoidable in life. That doesn't make them the same as the people they knew.
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Haha! Well, I'll give you that one. Nice hit.
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I love the way this thing is progressing: The McCain campaign ignores the economic collapse, and thinks we're all dying to hear about the names in Obama's Rolodex.
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I have a few friends and alot of family members that are Evangelical Christians. I sure would be offended if I were judged based on their ideas and behaviors.
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I'm sure the British would have viewed those who fought for American independence as terrorists back then if the word "terrorist" had been around. I'm sure the Nazis viewed the French resistance as terrorism. Even now, they still do it - how many protesters and political activists are being monitored or even locked up in the US and elsewhere under the guise of preventing terrorism?
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Give me one example of when a political activist was locked up here for peaceful activism.
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Maybe the world would be a better place if that revolution by "terrorists" had been successfully suppressed. We would have given you independence eventually, probably in the middle of last century with all the other troublesome colonies. Shame those terrorists had to get involved or my ancestors could've had another 200 years or so of milking America's resources. If you executed someone whom you saw as a terrorist, yet others saw as a freedom fighter, that wouldn't make you a freedom fighter, rather an instrument of the very state that is being fought against.
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Nothing like a debate with a lib - round and round we go. Nothing you can say will ever justify the actions of this terrible person.
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I'm not justifying anyone's actions, and haven't called him a freedom fighter, just saying it's not black and white as I've tried to illustrate with America's founding "terrorists". Can you simultaneously think that America was founded by freedom fighters taking on their oppressive rulers, yet others who take similar action against an oppressive or unjust regime are terrorists? Have you read 1984? Sounds like doublethink to me.
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Our founding fathers were defending land they believed was theirs. I know the history books have been tampered with over time but I don't recall ever reading about George Washington promoting unprovoked attacks on innocent people.
I'm still trying to find a freedom Ayers was denied. The irony is, he had many freedoms afforded him by the very country he attacked. He's no less a terrorist than Osama.
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I don't recall ever reading that Obama promotes unprovoked attacks on innocent people.
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But there is a point. Obama demonstrated a serious lapse in judgment when he knowingly kept dealing with the guy. How can someone like Obama be a good president when he can demonstrate such bad judgment on an issue that is crystal clear as this?
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I don't give a fuck who Obama associates with. If it were possible, I would give a negative fuck about what those people did 30 years ago. It's a loose association between the two. What's been described happens all the time between thousands of different people in the political world. It's in passing, and that's it. It's not like he impregnated him. imo, this is what we call "desperately grasping" on McCain's part.
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Obviously this "University of Chicago" is a terrorist organisation and needs to be burned to the ground. They house and fund a known terrorist!
Everyone in there needs to be rounded up and sent to Guantanamo for questioning of their anti-American activities! They're non-combatants, but they are the enemy after all. Wait, it's an academic institution that promotes research and analytical thinking??? Shit, forget the napalm, better get the bunker busting nukes! It's time for the people to start a Cultural Revolution where we get rid of all these left thinking "intellectuals"! We'll round up the kids into some sort of national Guard. Give them a nice Republican colour, like Red. What? That was a Communist thing? FUCK!
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@patJ, tweak50, xmcp123
I'm willing to bet none of you are even of age to buy a beer yet. My observation of the political tone of the youth today disturbs me deeply. Being one who grew up during the Reagan era, I for one have lived in the absolute best of times. I had everything I ever wanted, America basked in the glory of power and prosperity. Had any of you been born during my time, you would clearly see the danger in the liberal agenda. However, who am I to say it truly is danger? It's just my opinion. I can only say what I have seen, what I now see, and what I personally predict the final outcome will be. For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.
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In fact, I don't see how you can say how dangerous the "liberal agenda" is and look back at the last 8 years and tell me that 4 more isn't just as dangerous. But like you said, this is all just opinion. Chances are both of us will be mostly wrong on what the future will bring. My money is on Bush declaring martial law to keep power
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You're kidding us right?
I refuse to go into a convoluted class on the liberal agenda, you'll just have to understand what I am saying.
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Oh loorrrddyy mista zero. We sure do got lotsa learnin to do about the monies from yall eldas. Seriously, fuck off about age. We may not have had a chance to take the test to see how we handle the country yet, but you guys have already flunked the test.
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proof you don't remember Reagan Seriously, I welcome the test since I already know what the outcome will be.
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Get over it. It was 20 years ago. The world is different. Things like the internet and the end of the cold war change things. The same things that may have worked back then(obviously) aren't working now.
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6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration, an average of a quarter million a month. In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years. Cut taxes on 15 million low income families and raised taxes on the top 1.2 percent. Reduced the deficit for the first time since Truman. SOOOO... the "young dumb liberals" that voted him into office did a fuck a lot better than the "older experianced republicans" that voted in Bush... |
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Don't make the common mistake of confusing Bush 1 & 2 with Reagan. The sheeple are doing a lot of that now. Apples and oranges.
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I'm offended you didn't include me in that list. I know you have to be pretty old to buy beer in your country and I don't post many boobs and shit but I thought you might at least consider my constructive, logical, yet liberal and socially responsibly viewpoint to be the product of a young under-developed mind.
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if(liberal == young){
$action = 'save_their_future' }elseif(liberal != young){ $action = 'cant_teach_old_dog_new_tricks' } BTW, has anyone seen SNL tonight? The debate was dead-on. Funny as hell.
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If fuckin hope a certain very old dog learns some new tricks if he wins, or at least goes back to his old tricks before he was trying to win the votes of the far right. Or they might have him put down in favour of a slightly younger pitbull. BTW, I'm 30. Young to many, but going by your sig probably a lot older than you (unless that's just a marketing tactic? Appear young and stupid to get em to click...? Anyway, you certainly can teach any fucking age dog new tricks, most old dogs adapt well... unless it's an old Christian dog that believes his tricks are the only tricks worth knowing and doesn't understand that jumping through a hoop or over a bar is still jumping, just the thing they are jumping for is slightly different.
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Both candidates basically take no care of the middle class (as I see it). One over taxes the rich, the other the poor. Where's a real candidate that taxes both the rich and the poor and gives the breaks to the citizens who make this country great .. the middle class. I say double digit breaks if over $50k but under $300k. Now that's logic you won't see on either side. Quote:
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But once again, for me it is clear they are not going to get 5% of the vote this time around. And this time, we need something to prevent this from going downhill. It's not going to matter in the future if they can get their financing if there's no financing to be had. Right now is about turning this shit around as soon and sustainably as possible. End of story. The 3rd party thing is not happening this time, and we need you guys. No matter which side you vote on. Beyond that a system that involves 3 parties would require a drastic restructuring of our current voting system to get rid of the "wasted" vote concept. Quote:
Our foreign policy is obviously right now largely about the middle east. A lot of cultures in the middle east don't respect women. As much as I hate Hillary Clinton, I know she could've handled herself. Can you imagine Palin getting "shell shocked" (or for that matter, even how she is normally) and having to talk to the leader of Iran? Here's a hint. He'd probably consider talking to a woman about world issues in the first place degrading, and I have a feeling actually talking to her wouldn't do much to alleviate that. She is simply not the example of a female leader we want to show to the world. Quote:
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Alot of good points there SS. I liked the one about the republicans not being represented by republicans. The republicans today should just rename themselves the Christian party and that can be the third party.
Hey, I'm sure they would get more than the 5 % the way this country is so far up Jesus's ass.
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Ex: Say Obama campaigns on free gov't funded college for all high school graduates. Democrats like to buy votes with handouts so this is a good example. College kids wouldn't care about the damage this would do to the economy, they want their free tuition. ^^ While I like that scenario better than welfare, it's still a handout and a great example of buying votes. Just like the 2nd round of stimulus checks the dems are pushing. It's also why democrats want to lower taxes for poor people to the point that we're actually paying them to work. Fucking bullshit. Republicans want lower taxes on the rich and everyone else to pay their fair share. These are poeple who provide jobs & power our economy with all their contributions to the GDP. True, some are corrupt, but if you can answer honestly, who deserves the tax breaks more? a> someone looking for a handout b> someone who creates wealth for our country Quote:
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I don't have the same cultural issues the middle east has with women, and I still can't take her seriously. She's not very experienced, doesn't strike me as especially bright, and is evangelical as fuck. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to have a VP(who has a good chance of being president) who is completely unable to function in our region of greatest conflict? Quote:
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Obama's not doing that, and has never indicated he would. If you're against selfish voting, can I expect to see you ragging on republicans like popeye who blatantly say their motivation is a desire to pay as little taxes as possible? I'm sorry, but I can't believe given the repubs tax plan you called students "selfish" voters. Quote:
I'm sorry, but especially as people in our industry, do you honestly believe we're working harder than someone working 2 shitty, mind numbing jobs? If you do, you need your head checked. I know I don't deserve what I make from a "difficulty of work" perspective, and I can't imagine being conceited enough to believe otherwise. Oh by the way, it's even better in Michigan. Republicans demolished our mental health system a bit ago. So in many cases these people looking for "handouts" as you say are mentally ill people with no family who were thrown out by the state gov't because engler wanted a tiny little boost in his "end of the year" statistics. Quote:
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* Using stem cells for medial research is wrong. * A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body. * If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex. * Creationism should be taught in public schools. * Ban gay marriages and adoptions, ban the teaching of evolution, ban/censor porn, punish women who expose their breasts... Voting for a republican candidate would be like voting for Hitler because you're not a jew and you don't give a fuck as long as you get your 3% tax cut. |
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