turbolapp

Well if we're throwing out stats that have nothing to do with who should run the country, here's another one: The US Post Office handles 43% of the world's mail.

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Sorry L,

No postage meeter, no say...

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LazyHippy

When your constitution was written was America reliant on the rest of the world as she is now? Did you owe trillions to China back then or were you so dependant on foreign oil that you happily supplied military hardware to dictatorships?

I might be wrong, but sometimes it seems that some people like to refer to the constitution in the same way as others use the bible or koran, without realising that it was written in a time when things were different.

I'm completely against isolationism, but regarding the middle east, I think it might be a good think if America kept out of it... completely. Stop selling (or rather giving) military aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia and Egypt and most certainly stop the influence of the Zionist lobby groups in Washington. Not that they'll ever do that...

Tax breaks for the rich... so they can take the money they've saved and invest in cheap manufacturing in China? or buy up the public services in poor countries? Or spend it on lobbying more politicians to get more money to lobby more politicians to get more...

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After we get the data it will be too late to do anything with it until 2112 ... when we'll just wait for more data. wrong answer.

Which underscores the arguement for voting 3rd party. We should have Nobel prize winners, scientists and financially successful people like Perot and Buffet running for office.

I'm not, which is why I think we need a 3rd option. Too much bullshit and question dodging for my taste.

Did you notice neilson's ratings for the VP debates. I don't think all those people showed up to check out a recycled Biden. Her numbers & base grew tremendously just by her holding her own. That's just my opinion though

Don't go there, you'll lose.

Well said, lets not break anything else by staying out of the rest of the countries over there.

Like that's worked in the past

Shady, if you think that kids have evolved over the 10 years it's been since I was in college you are dead wrong. And to clear this up a bit, I totally dig the girls gone wild videos.

Regardless, this is a mute point as you get to vote. You have the law on your side so you win. I'm still allowed free speech to say what I feel (for a little longer anyways).

But my other 2 points about dems buying votes are not hypothetical, they are fact. I just drove it home by hypothetically saying they could easily cater to college kids to buy votes.

I have no problems checking other conservatives (Zero's GW comment) when they are wrong (conservative is used loosely in Popeye's case).

I usually vote taxes and small gov't ... I'm not dodging this point or hiding from it.

Sure I can, there is logic behind not overtaxing the rich. Trickle down economics works if given time. Also if we tax corporations too much they'll relocate. Then instead of getting 35% of a $million you'll get 35% of $0.

It's not wise to bite the hand that feeds you as most big businessmen are not as decent as Warren Buffett.

Don't paint all of any demographic with the same brush. I personally know cases that are the exact opposite of what you just described. Let me introduce you to my in-laws.

link please

I believe you're talking about white christian extremists. While they totally piss me off, you're basically angry because of the sheer number of them and their ability to sway the vote. Black and Arab religious extremists are more annoying than the white ones but their numbers are smaller, so it's not as "big" of an issue. Guess what ... they all vote democrat.

I never ask this from anyone but cite this shit. This is so far from the truth.

Condoms = no sex ????
creationism = education ????
Ban evolution ????
punish breast exposure ????

By the MAJORITY of republicans???



It's a valid stat because in America, majority rules as long as they vote. 87% of the US being christian has everything to do with who runs the country. Sorry this contradicts your athiestic ways but you've got to come to grips with it ... like it or not.


I personally hate mixing politics and religion (Palin errs big time on this one, as does every other president in the modern age), but you can't blame people for voting what they believe ... as wrong as it may be.



Yep, the French helped us kick the British out




That's a problem that we should fix internally, and yes it's possible.


We have ammendments that can be used if parts of it get outdated. Our constitution doesn't show a step by step of how to run a government or a country .. just some basic guidelines.



How they left out the part about not allowing a national bank is beyond me



100% correct. I'm not for total isolationism, just not trying to run the world. We are not right about everything for every country.


To dig a little deeper, I don't think that the US gov't should even interfere with state's rights. Why does Washington DC think it knows Californians better than the state of California? Again, big government is very bad in almost all cases.



Yep, those are some of the evils that go along with being uber wealthy. Some of the benefits are investing in new business, promoting technology like the poor can't, creating jobs & giving generously, something else poor people simply can't do. I've got more I can say here but my fingers are a bit cramped ... perhaps another discussion.



You are correct though as there are good and bad things that happen when you cater to the rich or the poor. A smart politician would cater to the middle class (f! the rich and poor) since small business is what drive america. These people vote in huge numbers.

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All this talk about politics and this is what the ruling .001% of the population understands (can you say Bilderberg Group?..) BUT the masses don't:



WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY!



And the sad part is most people will live out the entirety of their days and vote in every election not actually understanding this....

So while everyone's using up their precious 000100's and 10001000 on things that don't matter, drinks are being served here and sorry for you, it's Members only. Anyone who saw Ron Paul's segment in Fiat Empire knows what I am talking about....

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Have you been living under a rock or something? It's like asking for proof that democrats want to raise taxes.

Good boy. But it does not mean it can't be a democracy.

turbolapp

creationism = education ???? http://media.gallup.com/GPTB/goverPubli/20050524_5.gif
Ban evolution ???? Majority of Republicans Doubt Theory of Evolution

Sorry couldn't find any thing on abstinence and Republicans, but I think Bush's 8 years of Abstinence only programs speak for themselves.

I didn't really understand the breast exposure thing. What comes to my mind is Breastfeeding (blame it on the new mommy again brain) but I have to wonder if this guy votes Republican : YouTube - Ban Breastfeeding

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Stop dodging the challenge, Turbo got the easy one so now the burden is on you to prove the rest of the "facts" you put out there.

Good luck on the "condoms means kids won't have sex" one. Remember MAJORITY is what we're looking for here pat.

ready. set. go.

As I mentioned above, this one was a gimme. The challenge was more for the rest of the shit he put out there as fact. I'm sure that republicans are not only predominately christian, but attend church regularly for the most part, would have more open views that their beliefs should be taught as fact. I disagree with them here and the separation of church and state should really be the dividing line on this issue. Teach whatever you want at home but in school just stick to the facts.

That youtube guy is a nutjob, what sense does it make even interviewing him other than to give common sense christians a bad name. ... that was Fox no doubt

Lewinski breastfed until 4 ... what a great thing to bring up. Personally, I think breastfeeding until around 5 or so is beneficial. Tittie milk is the good stuff!

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LazyHippy

Bitty?

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I think bodog's got that covered.

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erect

Sounds like someone on the board is a prophet. No longer is it a purely hypothetical argument, it's a platform he's using to buy your votes.

$4,000 worth of yearly tuition in exchange for community service

Check it out at 2:00

So ... did you wash your foot before sticking it in your mouth?

EDIT: let me emphasize the part where he says "Every student, every year". That means not the kids that do well in school and maintain a high GPA or do exceptional things in their time spent in school. Every student means the ones who slid by with a 1.8 GPA are getting $4,000/year to attend college. These are the same kids that drop out after a semester or two ... monumental waste of money. This is what happens when democrats throw money at a problem instead of using logic to fix things.

Big government = Big problems

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xmcp123

Whether or not he later did say it, doesn't change the fact that the idea was pulled out of nothingness at the time.
And I'm sorry erect, but you consistently talk about the youth in this country, and quite frankly have no idea about it beyond what you see on MTV and hear old men getting their suspenders in a knot over.

I've been to 3 colleges in my lifetime. None of them ended because I was lazy. One ended because I *had* to move, one ended because I got into MSU. These schools included a community college. I met more people their that had gotten the brunt end of life's stick then in nearly any other place. And by the way, many of them worked their asses off.
You can't whine about welfare people have to get because they're unqualified for most jobs, then whine about what's necessary to get them qualified. It takes an insane amount of money to get educated nowadays, and most people quite frankly don't have it.
Also, I'd wait to hear exactly how much work is required to qualify before I judged the entire plan.

Oh yeah. And for the record, there definitely are things I disagree with Obama on. Yall just happen to hit the ones I agree with him on. For this one, I'm currently unsure. But writing it off immediately and for the reasons you did is ridiculous.

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Yep, I pulled the "100% free college" part out of my ass to give an example, but this $4,000 credit is something he's campaigned on for a long time. [ source - check out the dates on some of those results] In the end, it has nothing to do with being against the youth. It was about how easily some of their votes can be bought while students disregard the rest of the issues due to their inexperience.

I, like Whitney Houston, believe the children are our future. I have confidence that the smart ones, like yourself, will change this country into something we can be proud of (for a change). That does not mean that we should give everyone a ride through college because, quite frankly, most don't deserve it and will just waste our tax dollars. 3.0 and above ... sure, fund their education. But every child, every year ... no way.

I was also in college a short decade ago, kids have not changed much in this time. My brother is in college right now and I spend weeks each year with his friends. However, neither of our samples are big enough to draw any conclusions. Neither of us know millions or even thousands of kids intimately enough to know how educated the whole population is on politics. I painted with a broad brush and you checked me on it. You are doing the exact same thing in saying the youth of today is different than they were 10, 20, or even 50 years ago. It's all about perspective & personal experience. My perspective says that students are easier to buy because their world consists of very few complexities, unlike the rest of the voting population.

I'm have the exact same history. 2 univ. + 1 community college. I'm positive you are not a lazy person, nor did I accuse you of this. But that doesn't mean that you are a sample of the entire population.

I was one of those guys who worked their ass off to get through school. Tuition, books, living expenses, food ... I know how hard it can be first hand and would have welcomed a policy of $4k for every kid at that point in my life, 10 years of experience tells me this is a bad idea. Again, he's just trying to buy votes and is disregarding our country's budget woes.

HS graduates can make enough to get off of welfare. College is for the upper 10% and should not be a given right to all students regardless of the effort they have put into their own education.

As I stated, I'm more for this than I am for over funding welfare. If he revises his plan to all students with a GPA above 3.0 (or some other reasonable standard), I'm 100% behind it, as would be most of the population

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Alright. (and thanks for the kind words by the way).
Well let's see if/when it comes out, what the implementation really looks like. All plans candidates have end up getting modified heavily by the time of implementation(reality steps in), and I wouldn't be surprised to see something quite similar to what you described be the end result. Time will tell I suppose.
I'll withhold judgment until then.

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Now. That is really clever. if McCain loses it is because he underestimated his opponent. Obama has done his homework and worked tirelessly to get to this point. Like I told my wife. If he wins I will read his book. Like McCain, I should have read his book as soon as he was the Democratic nominee. Looks like McCain was not the only one slow to understand the man that is Obama!

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