LazyHippy

I'm confused. I disagree with you, yet respect you because you do have opinions and are more articulate than most that share your views. As a single parent why would you seemingly align yourself with a party that seems dead against any alternative to the traditional family unit?

I'm on your side with some stuff (I hope) - fathers never get the same rights as mothers, and that should change - but I don't think the GOP are gonna support single parents, doesn't really sit well with the religious extremists that seem to dominate that party.

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PinstripeRambo

That's not a vote, that's the fashionable thing to do. Obama girl is a good example. The original poster has somewhat of a point, alot of the people showing support for Obama in polls have a tendency to not actually vote.

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tweak50

While that may be true, even places like gallup.com who only poll likely voters, not just registered, show Obama in the lead.

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marks

Have any of you seen the latest stuff between Acorn and him, and then all this crazy jazz with Jesse Jacksons whispered outburst? Its enough to drive you insane.

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Popeye: wickedfire's new fiction writer.

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McCain-Palin Rally Attendees: "Obama Is A Terrorist"

i believe i saw you in the second video. Are you the one holding the acorn banner?

radio

crusty fuck. here i thought the pops was some old dude. 30? good grief.

i'm crusty as i want to be
i express myself so crustily



tubolapp said it best... "yawn, popeye."

jryan21

Dude, I've watched this like 3 times already and I still can't figure out what question she is trying to answer. It's like she read from the wrong card or something.

Pr0xyhub

How's he not going to win? You think Bush can be elected for a third term?

I don't think so.

erect

So you have angst towards liberals and you are certainly not a conservative ... whom exactly do you stand with? You're really not helping out the cause too much here. Unless you're a closet Obama supporter, then this all makes total sense and is a great battle plan. Well done.

Just a word of advice, leave women out of the house until the little girl's gone with grandma or the ex. A free swinging single dad usually makes a loose daughter just as easily as an absent one.

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HarveyJ

Dude! Are you morally bankrupt, or just the world's worst father?
What great conservative values to teach your daugther...

Once she's in bed, she probably hears you banging your bitch for the weekend. I know I did when I lived with my dad as a kid, and I was in the South wing of the house...

And giving her everything she wants? Well, she's just going to grow up a spoiled little bitch like Paris now, isn't she?

This is what's wrong with you. You think money is the be all and end all.
You've got the cash and the house and the car so you can just buy some women instead of maybe having a real partner that might actually help raise your daughter and instill some moral values... and you have the fucking audacity to call people "liberal" like they're the ones with no scruples.

Go choke on your fucking money... This liberal is going to be spending some time as a bigger brother this weekend.

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ConfusedSoul

wtf is this shit
I leave wickedfire for a year

And it's a complete swing.
This is probably a good sign to stay away. All the people actually making money left and a bunch of busto's post and don't care about more taxes.

JohnCJackson

I used to be a "conservative" too. I hated "welfare queens" and all that shit like Popeye. i never hated gays or other races, though. i am popeye's age. The difference is I grew up, basically into an anarchist. "Libertarian" if you like, but more anarchist really. These days, while I'd prefer neither i'd rather give the money to welfare queens than burn it in iraq or ship it to China.

If you dislike Obama because you think he's going to raise taxes and "tax and spend"- OK, then. But that is the EXACT same mentality McCain has. Bush is the biggest tax and spend liberal that has ever existed. McCain really gives no indication that he will change course. He is a self avowed "national greatness" socialist who worships Teddy Roosevelt and has never had a private sector career or had a real interest in cutting the government.

Obama is wrong, yes. But when you have 2 people who are wrong- i am going to root for ( root for, not endorse or vote for) the guy who seems less driven by fear and destruction.

Hating gays, racism and other thinly veiled ( if veiled at all) bigotry as a motivation is just bullshit, and only something small minded people get into. Either you believe in individual rights ( all rights are individual in nature and the individual is really the only unit in society that matters) or you don't. If you want to legislate your bigotries, you are scum. And if you really cared even a little bit about low taxes, you wouldnt support the government spending billions in Iraq and expanding the government to discriminate against individuals.

If you really believe that bullshit, you aren't even a conservative or a "real" Republican in any traditional sense. Having Sean Hannity call you one doesn't count.

ETA:
And of course this is the guy who has such a problem with gays, whores, liberals,etc but then is bragging about all the whores he bangs. Nice.

Mosleydeaf

Wow, some thread in WF. Didn't learn much from reading all this crap but I must admit I learned one thing from Popeye, I am now all for forced sterilization.

Anyways, plain and simple, no one like paying taxes. It's basic human intuition, I made the money/good why should I share? Makes sense, no shame in feeling this way initially. But if you want to live with others in a society, certain self-sacrifices must be made from members of the community for the welfare of all. Roads, defense, education etc. ultimately need to funded somehow.

For the insanely rich, they are insanely rich because they are making money from other people. If these other people have no money, then there is no more money to be made. The quote on quote poor people are buying the insanely rich people's products (or renting their land or apparently providing sexual favors to Popeye) and eventually the money gets back into the pocket of the rich anyways. You may see your tax dollars come out of your balance sheet but realistically its an investment and eventually the money will come back.

The end game when everyone loses is when no one spends any money, because then there is no money to be made, everyone is scared to spend what money they do have and you end up where we are right now.

Guess who can save the world right now? China. Yes, China has reportedly 2 Trillions dollars in foreign exchange (that's 3 federal bailouts!). Their citizens save on average 30% of their annual income (in comparison, the average in the United States is less than 1%).

jeanpaul1979

The fact is that: the reason you bring up this question is because you seriously consider the possibility of this happening - you just don't want to believe it is actually happening.

On the other side of the coin... I can't understand why people would vote for McCain at all, but still, it's happening...

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ConfusedSoul

damn
I don't understand all the popeye hate

jenzkc

i think we need a civil war. so sick of republican stupidity. i'll never come to terms with the fact that 1/2 of the 300 million people in this country are absolute idiots. it doesn't matter who the candidate is, 1/2 the country will always be fucking retarded.

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you weren't missed.

see ya.

xmcp123

Lmfao.
Yeah, I'm jealous popeye. You caught me. How do you make the internet monies?

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BlueYonder

He's "gona" win by getting more votes.

The top GOP wonk, Ed Rollins, thinks this is going to happen. There is going to be a Barack Hussein administration, and the rest of you will just have to deal with it.

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+rep... absolutely correct!

xmcp123

Seconded and repped

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erect

weightlifters for obama <<< meatheads are retards, as per your sig

It's one thing to disagree with one's political beliefs, it's another entirely to consider them retarded idiots & hope for a civil war because they don't vote the way you do. There is a reason for a revolution but it has nothing to do with backing either a republican or a democrat, it has to do with overthrowing BOTH parties.

Now get back to your steroids so your balls will wither to nothing and make you sterile. We don't need your genes in our pool.

Neither popeye, McCain or GW Bush truly represent what a conservative really is. That's a fact!!!

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Bofu2U

Thirded.

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fourthededed

LotsOfZeros

fifthededed..... Oh wait. What were we talking about?

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xmcp123

Yeah, simply disagreeing with someones political beliefs shouldn't be taken too far...ermm...

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HarveyJ

[Offtopic]
Fuck! They stuck me with an emo kid! *faceplant*
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Jenzkc: Mmm, really don't think a civil war's going to help things.
For a start, the Rep votes are the ones that have the bigger guns and more of them, all wrapped up in 2nd Amendment fluffy goodness
(N.B.: I'm not anti-gun ownership, although I certainly think the caliber & rate of fire of the weapons available could use some rethinking... It was written during when reloading required a horn full of black powder)
Certainly need some more coverage on the fact that there's more than two parties and that there are more than two candidates.
Guaranteed air time legislation, with provisions for certain time periods so peopel can't be shafted to 3am, would go a long way to helping that.

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Obama will win because of the thousands of fraudulent voter registrations. Yes. Acorn has been racking up these illegal registrants to swing the tide. Yes. Obama has paid for these guys to help him out. Corruption is abroad. God help us!

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I'm not happy with either choice I have in this election, but choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I have to go with McCain.

We on this forum, who have taken our financial futures into our own hands, and try to better our situation by working for ourselves, should be alarmed by Obama's plan to "spread the wealth". That worries me, a lot. I work hard for my money, and Obama wants to give it to others that may not be as motivated as me to get ahead. With Obama's plan, those who choose not to work are being rewarded, with my money,(and yours). We don't need more taxes, we need more tax payers.

I remember Carter's presidency. That guy will go down in history as one of our worst presidents of all time. (Yea, he builds a good house, and all that, but he should have stuck with carpentry, or peanuts). But as bad as Carter's record was, with double digit interest rates and 13% unemployment, I think Obama will give him a run for his money for the worst president crown.

You don't think raising taxes on corporate America won't trickle down and effect you? Obama is going to raise the Capital Gains tax, the Estate tax, etc...

When you take away the incentive the $250,000 earners have for maintaining their businesses (Profits), why should they keep their businesses open? Would you work your ass off, only to have the government take away the money you earned so they can redistribute the wealth.

And, when we increase the corporate taxes on big business, you don't think they will pass these taxes on to us? Most of you talk about big business being able to get out of paying taxes, anyway, what do you think is going to happen when they are slapped with the excessive tax burden Obama is proposing? They are going to raise their prices, passing this increased tax burden on to us.

Obama wants to make all people equal. But the truth is, we aren't all equal. We are equal in opportunity, but we are not all equal in talent or motivation. Some of us went the extra mile and trained ourselves to be able to do the things that will put money in our pockets. Some of us got off our dead asses and worked hard to make a better income. Other, less motivated people could have done that, too, but haven't.

When these business owners close up shop, because all incentive has been taken away for them to be in business in the first place, this will put many middle-class Americans out of work (these are the guys employing the average American).

These evil rich people are going to cut back, and not take that vacation this year...not buy that new luxury automobile...not buy that new home... All these things will effect the people working in the Vacation industry, the Car & Housing industry. These people will probably lose their jobs because there won't be the discretionary cash available to make these purchases (less demand means less of these worker are needed).


Obama says that 95% of the American people will not see a tax increase. With his new spending plans, where is he going to get the funds to pay for all of that? How's he going to pay for 47 million new citizens having government supplied health insurance? And he claims that, if you are paying for health insurance, now, it will cost you $2,500 less a year than what your paying now. The figures don't add up.

Since Obama came into office, there have been 94 tax Bills to come before congress. Obama voted all 94 times to increase taxes. But, you say, he won't increase the middle-class' taxes...He promised...you have to be making $250+ before you will see a tax increase...FACT: In those 94 Bills that Obama voted to raise taxes, was the Bill that he voted YES on to increase the taxes of those earning $42,000. That's Middle-Class earnings all day long. Way far from the $250,000 he promises is his threshold.

When talking the other day to that Plumber, the Plumber asked: "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream".

Obama answered (on camera): "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody...I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Not everyone behind me WANTS the chance for success. The motivation to succeed is taken away by Obama's plan. "I can sit on my ass and get paid the money you earned, so what incentive do I have to work hard to achieve my dream? I'll just steal YOUR dream." It works the other way, too. "Why should I work hard to make good money when it will just be taken away from me, anyway?"

Can anyone tell me how Obama's plan will work, fiscally? It will bankrupt this country.

I am a Reagan Conservative. When Reagan came into office, he slashed taxes and we came out of the Carter recession in record time. By lowering taxes the government actually increased revenues. We had 8 years of the best peace-time economy in our history. Lowering taxes stimulates the economy.

Joe Biden says pay the higher taxes, it's patriotic. Bite the bullet...

Obama wants to help the whole world with our money. Side Note: Obama encourages American Citizens to donate money to help causes world-wide. The funny thing is, Barrack & Michelle make that upper income Barrack is talking about taxing (Michelle, alone, is paid over $300,000 a year as a consultant.) Yet, Barrack has a brother that lives in Africa, in a hut with a dirt floor, and he has NEVER helped his own flesh and blood in his poverty! Obama's tax returns show he donates less than 1/4 of 1% of his income to charity. But he wants us to open our wallets for this. Open you wallet, Barrack, if you want to see increased donations.

Please note that I have, not once, brought up anything about Barrack's associations. I've done this purposely, as, although his associations may show some lack in judgement, that is not where I have a problem with him.

As independent Business people, we will be directly effected by Obama's policies. I can't afford him.

Comments? And I mean comments on Obama's fiscal plan. Please don't go on about other talking points. Tell me about his spending plan and specifically how he can pay for it without taxing the middle class. I haven't had ANYBODY tell me that on any forums I have posted on.

Please explain this to me.

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Originally Posted by Neidamyer I'm not happy with either choice I have in this election, but choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I have to go with McCain. We on this forum, who have taken our financial futures into our own hands, and try to better our situation by working for ourselves, should be alarmed by Obama's plan to "spread the wealth". That worries me, a lot. I work hard for my money, and Obama wants to give it to others that may not be as motivated as me to get ahead. With Obama's plan, those who choose not to work are being rewarded, with my money,(and yours). We don't need more taxes, we need more tax payers. I remember Carter's presidency. That guy will go down in history as one of our worst presidents of all time. (Yea, he builds a good house, and all that, but he should have stuck with carpentry, or peanuts). But as bad as Carter's record was, with double digit interest rates and 13% unemployment, I think Obama will give him a run for his money for the worst president crown. You don't think raising taxes on corporate America won't trickle down and effect you? Obama is going to raise the Capital Gains tax, the Estate tax, etc... When you take away the incentive the $250,000 earners have for maintaining their businesses (Profits), why should they keep their businesses open? Would you work your ass off, only to have the government take away the money you earned so they can redistribute the wealth. And, when we increase the corporate taxes on big business, you don't think they will pass these taxes on to us? Most of you talk about big business being able to get out of paying taxes, anyway, what do you think is going to happen when they are slapped with the excessive tax burden Obama is proposing? They are going to raise their prices, passing this increased tax burden on to us. Obama wants to make all people equal. But the truth is, we aren't all equal. We are equal in opportunity, but we are not all equal in talent or motivation. Some of us went the extra mile and trained ourselves to be able to do the things that will put money in our pockets. Some of us got off our dead asses and worked hard to make a better income. Other, less motivated people could have done that, too, but haven't. When these business owners close up shop, because all incentive has been taken away for them to be in business in the first place, this will put many middle-class Americans out of work (these are the guys employing the average American). These evil rich people are going to cut back, and not take that vacation this year...not buy that new luxury automobile...not buy that new home... All these things will effect the people working in the Vacation industry, the Car & Housing industry. These people will probably lose their jobs because there won't be the discretionary cash available to make these purchases (less demand means less of these worker are needed). Obama says that 95% of the American people will not see a tax increase. With his new spending plans, where is he going to get the funds to pay for all of that? How's he going to pay for 47 million new citizens having government supplied health insurance? And he claims that, if you are paying for health insurance, now, it will cost you $2,500 less a year than what your paying now. The figures don't add up. Since Obama came into office, there have been 94 tax Bills to come before congress. Obama voted all 94 times to increase taxes. But, you say, he won't increase the middle-class' taxes...He promised...you have to be making $250+ before you will see a tax increase...FACT: In those 94 Bills that Obama voted to raise taxes, was the Bill that he voted YES on to increase the taxes of those earning $42,000. That's Middle-Class earnings all day long. Way far from the $250,000 he promises is his threshold. When talking the other day to that Plumber, the Plumber asked: "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream". Obama answered (on camera): "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody...I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." Not everyone behind me WANTS the chance for success. The motivation to succeed is taken away by Obama's plan. "I can sit on my ass and get paid the money you earned, so what incentive do I have to work hard to achieve my dream? I'll just steal YOUR dream." It works the other way, too. "Why should I work hard to make good money when it will just be taken away from me, anyway?" Can anyone tell me how Obama's plan will work, fiscally? It will bankrupt this country. I am a Reagan Conservative. When Reagan came into office, he slashed taxes and we came out of the Carter recession in record time. By lowering taxes the government actually increased revenues. We had 8 years of the best peace-time economy in our history. Lowering taxes stimulates the economy. Joe Biden says pay the higher taxes, it's patriotic. Bite the bullet... Obama wants to help the whole world with our money. Side Note: Obama encourages American Citizens to donate money to help causes world-wide. The funny thing is, Barrack & Michelle make that upper income Barrack is talking about taxing (Michelle, alone, is paid over $300,000 a year as a consultant.) Yet, Barrack has a brother that lives in Africa, in a hut with a dirt floor, and he has NEVER helped his own flesh and blood in his poverty! Obama's tax returns show he donates less than 1/4 of 1% of his income to charity. But he wants us to open our wallets for this. Open you wallet, Barrack, if you want to see increased donations. Please note that I have, not once, brought up anything about Barrack's associations. I've done this purposely, as, although his associations may show some lack in judgement, that is not where I have a problem with him. As independent Business people, we will be directly effected by Obama's policies. I can't afford him. Comments? And I mean comments on Obama's fiscal plan. Please don't go on about other talking points. Tell me about his spending plan and specifically how he can pay for it without taxing the middle class. I haven't had ANYBODY tell me that on any forums I have posted on. Please explain this to me.

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