Amazon no longer paying for paid search traffic - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

Red_Virus · 04-06-2009, 06:54 AM

Don't you think that is really stupid ?

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After careful review of how we are investing our advertising resources, we have made the decision to no longer pay referral fees to Associates who send users to Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more, Amazon.ca: Online shopping for Canadians - books, electronics, music, DVDs, software, video games & more, or Shoes & Handbags - Free Overnight Shipping & Return Shipping: Endless.com through keyword bidding and other paid search on Google, Yahoo, MSN, and other search engines. As of May 1, 2009, these paid search Associates will not be paid referral fees.

https://affiliate-program.amazon.com...omo/paidsearch

emp · 04-06-2009, 07:25 AM

I have just read that mail.

Would that only affect direct linking to amazon?

Or also PPC --> affpage --> Amazon

::emp::

trigatch4 · 04-06-2009, 07:38 AM

I read this too. Idiotic if you ask me and I'll tell you why.

On some of my larger sites I have Amazon ads scattered around my site on rotation. I push PPC traffic to pages with the intent to monetize in one way but with Amazon ads occassionally showing in rotation too... so if they don't want to buy what I'm pushing at least I'm giving them other options to browse around instead of just leaving my site altogether.

Now I wouldn't be paid for these sales. So I'll have to pull Amazon ads from EVERY SINGLE PAGE/SITE to which I'm doing PPC. And while I could target page by page, I'm not going to. Any site I'm doing PPC to I will simply yank Amazon off of. It isn't worth my time to cater to the needs of Amazon's aff program especially since they are dicking me over. Fuckem.

Drake · 04-06-2009, 08:09 AM

Abestweb must be going mad right now. They have been taking Amazons bullshit and low payouts for years for the product selection.

CygnusX · 04-06-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by emp

Would that only affect direct linking to amazon?

Or also PPC --> affpage --> Amazon

::emp::

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Originally Posted by trigatch4

Now I wouldn't be paid for these sales. So I'll have to pull Amazon ads from EVERY SINGLE PAGE/SITE to which I'm doing PPC. And while I could target page by page, I'm not going to. Any site I'm doing PPC to I will simply yank Amazon off of. It isn't worth my time to cater to the needs of Amazon's aff program especially since they are dicking me over. Fuckem.

It only affects direct linking.

PPC => Your site => Amazon is still allowed

xentech · 04-06-2009, 08:24 AM

Obviously this only effects direct linking.

trigatch4 · 04-06-2009, 08:30 AM

Then I stand corrected. But for what PPC program that actually matters are you allowed to send traffic directly to Amazon anyways?

xentech · 04-06-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by trigatch4

Then I stand corrected. But for what PPC program that actually matters are you allowed to send traffic directly to Amazon anyways?

Well none now, that's the point. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

cliqz · 04-06-2009, 09:31 AM

This is obviously a smart move on their part.

What better way to get rid of your competition and save money on both sides of the coin.

They've got years of PPC experience under their belt now so they can get rid of all you damn affiliates bidding on direct links to their products. This will drive down their PPC costs AND they won't have to pay affiliates anymore. Double WIN.

trigatch4 · 04-06-2009, 10:31 AM

@cliqz - unless those same affiliates start promoting Amazon's competitors instead. In which case PPC rates stay the same and their revenue drops... although actual profit might still increase.

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 11:08 AM

can someone please tell me who the fuck

googhydr-20 is????? Please

explain it to me god, please god explain it to me!!!!

you know the direct linking dude or organization or whatever the fuck that has 890,000,000 ads direct linked to Amazon, everything from goddamn diapers to iphones.

my 100th so here's your boobs:

xentech · 04-06-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDean

can someone please tell me who the fuck

googhydr-20 is????? Please

explain it to me god, please god explain it to me!!!!

you know the direct linking dude or organization or whatever the fuck that has 890,000,000 ads direct linked to Amazon, everything from goddamn diapers to iphones.

my 100th so here's your boobs:

That would be Amazon themselves I'd imagine, given the tracking code.

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xentech

That would be Amazon themselves I'd imagine, given the tracking code.

But it's a normal Amazon referral tag, and if they were this deep, why wouldn't they be bidding on their own trademarks?

i mean there's an Amazon affiliate right now bidding on Amazon.com

and redirecting through these links to drop the cookie:

http://zk003.com/ Shopping - Amazon

xentech · 04-06-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDean

But it's a normal Amazon referral tag, and if they were this deep, why wouldn't they be bidding on their own trademarks?

i mean there's an Amazon affiliate right now bidding on Amazon.com

and redirecting through these links to drop the cookie:

http://zk003.com/ Shopping - Amazon

Well he's breaking the terms.. No Amazon aren't bidding on their own trademarks, what they are doing is stopping affiliates promoting them on AdWords so they can do it all themselves, it will make more sense to them financially. Basically it's a better ROI for them to advertise themselves on AdWords then to pay affiliates a commission to do it for them.

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xentech

Well he's breaking the terms.. No Amazon aren't bidding on their own trademarks, what they are doing is stopping affiliates promoting them on AdWords so they can do it all themselves, it will make more sense to them financially. Basically it's a better ROI for them to advertise themselves on AdWords then to pay affiliates a commission to do it for them.

bro i hear you, but still googhydr-20 is a normal Amazon associates tag. I want to believe it is Amazon or Google or what have you, but i really am starting to believe that some persistent enterprising mother fucker direct linked to every product on Amazon the past couple of years lol.

xentech · 04-06-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDean

bro i hear you, but still googhydr-20 is a normal Amazon associates tag. I want to believe it is Amazon or Google or what have you, but i really am starting to believe that some persistent enterprising mother fucker direct linked to every product on Amazon the past couple of years lol.

Well if that's the case I feel sorry for him now. What are the chances of him getting an ID with 'goog' in and promoting it all over Google though?

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by xentech

Well if that's the case I feel sorry for him now. What are the chances of him getting an ID with 'goog' in and promoting it all over Google though?

don't feel sorry for him, he prob made a 100 million dollars over 4 years.

you can create any amazon associates tag you want, i could put googlelovesthecock-20 and it's fine. This isn't the display url, it's the actual tracking tag in the long amazon associates link you get. Unless you're putting me on lol.

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 11:54 AM

An look at this DP eBook peddler putting up a website and bidding on the keyword "googhydr-20" lol

Do You REALLY Want googhydr-20 ?

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 12:51 PM

just looking at the ads, the blatant trademark bidding, i mean come on there is no way Amazon said yea let's throw up some misleading advertising and bid on "iphone" cause lord knows we've just got inventory out the wazooo with these pretty little phones that we're licensed to sell..uh huh.

brotha made a billion on this.

it's coming to an end but he's been laughing all the way to the bank for years

xentech · 04-06-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDean

just looking at the ads, the blatant trademark bidding, i mean come on there is no way Amazon said yea let's throw up some misleading advertising and bid on "iphone" cause lord knows we've just got inventory out the wazooo with these pretty little phones that we're licensed to sell..uh huh.

brotha made a billion on this.

it's coming to an end but he's been laughing all the way to the bank for years

What are you talking about? Amazon have been owning the paid SERPS long before they even had an affiliate program.

Sticks79 · 04-06-2009, 01:07 PM

lol, who the fuck promotes Amazon? fuck them and their piece of shit commisions.

xentech · 04-06-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks79

lol, who the fuck promotes Amazon? fuck them and their piece of shit commisions.

8% commission isn't too bad, AMAZING conversions and the biggest database of products in the world. A lot of people make a lot of money out of Amazon and with that amount of data available for affiliates it's a blackhats dream...

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xentech

What are you talking about? Amazon have been owning the paid SERPS long before they even had an affiliate program.

i know. i just like conspiracies.

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Originally Posted by Sticks79

lol, who the fuck promotes Amazon? fuck them and their piece of shit commisions.

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Originally Posted by xentech

8% commission isn't too bad, AMAZING conversions and the biggest database of products in the world. A lot of people make a lot of money out of Amazon and with that amount of data available for affiliates it's a blackhats dream...

yea your typical gamut of cpa offers make amazon seem like a fool's game, but the right niches do have unreal conversions and are long-term as fuck.

Sticks79 · 04-06-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xentech

8% commission isn't too bad, AMAZING conversions and the biggest database of products in the world. A lot of people make a lot of money out of Amazon and with that amount of data available for affiliates it's a blackhats dream...

Yeah no argument there i guess, but i'll stick with my 30% - 50% commisions.

ed146 · 04-06-2009, 01:44 PM

From their PPC experience, they know which phrases and keywords convert. Why not do it at lowest possible click per cost by getting rid of competition?

So in fact, all of these guinea pigs who did direct linking basically helped amazon do research on keywords, and now that they know why not do it for themselves?

turbolapp · 04-06-2009, 01:59 PM

*sigh@the surprise boob post*

Uzzz · 04-06-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

*sigh@the surprise boob post*

heh... keeps me on my toes at work.... kinda just scrolling along...oo i see Flesh... scrolll fast!!! there goes the boob or elbow!..keep calm... noone saw a thing.... well played uzz, well played...

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

*sigh@the surprise boob post*

lol i apologize ms. turbo. i have a rolodex of epn contacts, if you want them.

Xrproto · 04-06-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

*sigh@the surprise boob post*

I'm pissed I had to scroll down to find boobs given the use of the boob icon. Aside from the I wouldn't have wondered into this thread.

turbolapp · 04-06-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Xrproto

I'm pissed I had to scroll down to find boobs given the use of the boob icon. Aside from the I wouldn't have wondered into this thread.

Totally. Talk about your thread bait. This is why we need a "surprise boob icon" so people know coming into the thread it's not really about boobs and the OP won't get hated on.

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Xrproto

I'm pissed I had to scroll down to find boobs given the use of the boob icon. Aside from the I wouldn't have wondered into this thread.

Oh wait. There was a boob icon and the bastard didn't deliver and I delivered, I am the HERO of this thread, and take back the apology.

turbolapp · 04-06-2009, 02:40 PM

heh no I put the icon there after your surprise boob post.

(And there's the OP hate I was referring to...)

TheDean · 04-06-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

heh no I put the icon there after your surprise boob post.

(And there's the OP hate I was referring to...)

i'll be double damned. ::exits thread slowly::

Uzzz · 04-06-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDean

i'll be double damned. ::exits thread slowly::

Don't let the boob hit you on the way out!

radio · 04-06-2009, 03:47 PM

can't carelessly scroll wf at work - that's for sure. second the surprise boob icon, or "flavored w/ boob" for threads that incorporate boobs after the op post.

markus · 04-06-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Uzzz

heh... keeps me on my toes at work.... kinda just scrolling along...oo i see Flesh... scrolll fast!!! there goes the boob or elbow!..keep calm... noone saw a thing.... well played uzz, well played...

no kidding! worse without an icon and your finger spins the scroll wheel and you land dead on the boob post. argh.

Red_Virus · 04-07-2009, 04:17 AM

This one is confusing ! I mean how do we notify them ? I have a few stores built with PhpZon and also just got an email from Brad pending the launch of Reviewazon.

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Q: Can I still make calls to the Amazon Associates Web Service or obtain a data feed if I use it the content to create links on my website?
A: Your access to the Amazon Associates Web Service or our data feed will be terminated unless you notify us prior to May 1, 2009 that you will use our content for purposes permitted under the Amazon Web Services Customer Agreement. Your continued access to and use of the Amazon Associates Web Service, data feed, or content, however, is subject to your continued compliance with the Associates Operating Agreement and the AWS Customer Agreement.

xentech · 04-07-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by radio

can't carelessly scroll wf at work - that's for sure. second the surprise boob icon, or "flavored w/ boob" for threads that incorporate boobs after the op post.

Go in your user CP and disable images and signatures...

maVIn · 04-08-2009, 12:57 AM

lol @ "flavored with boob"

04-06-2009, 07:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,818 iTrader: 17 / 100%	I have just read that mail. Would that only affect direct linking to amazon? Or also PPC --> affpage --> Amazon ::emp:: Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Get your own Bot army! Use promo code blindape199 That's because all programmers are also ninjas.(but not all ninjas are programmers) - LogicFlux Blind Ape Seo

04-06-2009, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
trigatch4 BuildAndEarn Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,520 iTrader: 2 / 100%	I read this too. Idiotic if you ask me and I'll tell you why. On some of my larger sites I have Amazon ads scattered around my site on rotation. I push PPC traffic to pages with the intent to monetize in one way but with Amazon ads occassionally showing in rotation too... so if they don't want to buy what I'm pushing at least I'm giving them other options to browse around instead of just leaving my site altogether. Now I wouldn't be paid for these sales. So I'll have to pull Amazon ads from EVERY SINGLE PAGE/SITE to which I'm doing PPC. And while I could target page by page, I'm not going to. Any site I'm doing PPC to I will simply yank Amazon off of. It isn't worth my time to cater to the needs of Amazon's aff program especially since they are dicking me over. Fuckem. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ BuildAndEarn.com - My Affiliate Blog Phandroid.com - Android Phones Rule AndroidForums.com - Android Forums (duh!)

04-06-2009, 08:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Drake Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,247 iTrader: 21 / 100%	Abestweb must be going mad right now. They have been taking Amazons bullshit and low payouts for years for the product selection. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 08:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
xentech NFLol. Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Great Britain Posts: 1,838 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Obviously this only effects direct linking. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 08:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
trigatch4 BuildAndEarn Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,520 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Then I stand corrected. But for what PPC program that actually matters are you allowed to send traffic directly to Amazon anyways? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ BuildAndEarn.com - My Affiliate Blog Phandroid.com - Android Phones Rule AndroidForums.com - Android Forums (duh!)

04-06-2009, 09:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
cliqz Social Noob Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 191 iTrader: 1 / 100%	This is obviously a smart move on their part. What better way to get rid of your competition and save money on both sides of the coin. They've got years of PPC experience under their belt now so they can get rid of all you damn affiliates bidding on direct links to their products. This will drive down their PPC costs AND they won't have to pay affiliates anymore. Double WIN. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________

04-06-2009, 10:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
trigatch4 BuildAndEarn Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,520 iTrader: 2 / 100%	@cliqz - unless those same affiliates start promoting Amazon's competitors instead. In which case PPC rates stay the same and their revenue drops... although actual profit might still increase. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ BuildAndEarn.com - My Affiliate Blog Phandroid.com - Android Phones Rule AndroidForums.com - Android Forums (duh!)

04-06-2009, 11:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
TheDean Too Cool for School Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 338 iTrader: 0 / 0%	can someone please tell me who the fuck googhydr-20 is????? Please explain it to me god, please god explain it to me!!!! you know the direct linking dude or organization or whatever the fuck that has 890,000,000 ads direct linked to Amazon, everything from goddamn diapers to iphones. my 100th so here's your boobs: Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 11:54 AM	#18 (permalink)
TheDean Too Cool for School Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 338 iTrader: 0 / 0%	An look at this DP eBook peddler putting up a website and bidding on the keyword "googhydr-20" lol Do You REALLY Want googhydr-20 ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 12:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
TheDean Too Cool for School Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 338 iTrader: 0 / 0%	just looking at the ads, the blatant trademark bidding, i mean come on there is no way Amazon said yea let's throw up some misleading advertising and bid on "iphone" cause lord knows we've just got inventory out the wazooo with these pretty little phones that we're licensed to sell..uh huh. brotha made a billion on this. it's coming to an end but he's been laughing all the way to the bank for years Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 01:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
ed146 Still Hustlin' Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 425 iTrader: 14 / 100%	From their PPC experience, they know which phrases and keywords convert. Why not do it at lowest possible click per cost by getting rid of competition? So in fact, all of these guinea pigs who did direct linking basically helped amazon do research on keywords, and now that they know why not do it for themselves? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Need VPS? Try Hawkhost!

04-06-2009, 01:59 PM	#26 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 8,148 iTrader: 7 / 100%	sigh@the surprise boob post Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 02:40 PM	#32 (permalink)
turbolapp Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Houston, TexASS Posts: 8,148 iTrader: 7 / 100%	heh no I put the icon there after your surprise boob post. (And there's the OP hate I was referring to...) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

04-06-2009, 03:47 PM	#35 (permalink)
radio Unconsciously competent. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,540 iTrader: 25 / 100%	can't carelessly scroll wf at work - that's for sure. second the surprise boob icon, or "flavored w/ boob" for threads that incorporate boobs after the op post. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ auction2post : Retail Affiliate Content Generator for Wordpress Targeted Niche Specific Content Creation using eBay API! Get auction2post - the only eBay Wordpress plugin with the flexibility to monetize other income sources! I'm not a member of ePN... so what! Get the plugin bb_wolfe calls "the best Wordpress plugin out there, bar none!" Amazing WP plugin developer Refrozen calls auction2post "pimp!"

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