Deliguy

I've been actually wanting to ask this question for a long time, but I didn't want to start another religion thread. Since the political threads are coming back..hehe why not

Since WF is mostly conspiracy theorists (that includes me) and athiests I was wondering what everyone thinks about the whole Book of Revelations thing which is basically the ultimate conspiracy theory.

For those that haven't familiarized themselves with it:
It's basically the last book of the bible (unless your mormon) compiled from the manuscripts from John The Apostle. Written shortly after Jesus was gone John claimed God came to him and described to him the "final days" before his second coming through very detailed visions and he carefully detailed it in a way that people of his time such as himself could only understand from it. It predicts some creepy shit that people of his time would have no way of understanding. Imagine trying to describe a piece of technology or climate change that wouldn't come around for another 1900 years.

Some Basic Rundowns (theres a lot so don't quote me on perfect accuracy):
He predicts Red Tides and Smog Moons (says the waters and the moon will turn to blood). Which is now a very common occurance due to our pollution, but wasn't imaginable back in his day.

He described a modern computer and the internet in great detail and called it "The Beast."

He gave an extremely complex math code using mathematics that didn't exist for another 1600 years and said you will know what it means when it is needed. It wasn't until the mainframe computer was invented that they were able to figure out the result was 666.

666 is a common sync code used in Internet and networking communications to make sure two computers can communicate on the same wait state timing.

He predicted RFID chips saying the "mark of the beast" will be implanted on peoples foreheads and left hands and they will not be able to buy/sell or have an identification in society without one. He also said doctors will implant babies with the mark of the beast upon their delivery. Some would also say he predicted debit and credit cards with that and even national ids, but thats kind of a stretch imo. He also briefly mentioned imprisonment for people who refused to have the mark.

He said there will be a one world government.

He said there will be a one world currency.

He said the beast will sit in the temple and curse God. The temple is now a museum with a full computer system.

He said earthquakes, hurricanes, floods and other natural disasters will become quite a bit more frequent.

The list goes on and on but you get the idea. I personally am a conspiracy theorist for most of the sensible ones (not really alien visitor type but more of the one world one currency government type). So does being an atheist nullify your belief in the book of revelations, or nostradomis type stuff or are they compatible? Do you think all the stuff he said will come true or is it just coincidences? Or do you think its more of a real out of this world vision that just got God thrown into it because ppl used to think every hallucination they had was from god?

I'm not just trolling on this one. I'm seriously curious.

__________________

riddarhusetgal

Oh, so YOU'RE the other mod at Above Top Secret! lol
AboveTopSecret.com: Conspiracy Theories, UFOs, Politics, and Many Other "Alternative Topics"

(quickly throws pdf version of a David Icke Book in desktop trash bin and turns computer of, lol)

PS
geek alert: do you ever visit the Physics Forum's section on this stuff? There's some folks who are "really" into this stuff and actually are pretty smart thinkers too
http://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

__________________

nachoninja

all a fairy tale, think about how people can change the future based on this stupid book that was written years ago.

__________________
Copeac Affiliate Network + Liquid Web VPS = $$$$$

Midas Touch

Having come from a Cristian background and having studied most of the world religions, I would say that people paint their own picture with whatever is at hand at the time.


If the picture seems good enough or plausible to their minds they will continue to duplicate and propagate it.


It's interesting that you mention the Beast as being the internet. 25 years ago, in most Christian circles, the beast was deemed to be the Council of the United Nations. (LOL!! It's been upgraded!!)


I myself am an Atheist and I'm not easily fooled by the governments of the world's propaganda either.


The points you made are interesting, I do find myself pondering them from time to time. I never give them much weight though.



Atheist or believer, I see no reason why things like the Mayan Calendar or Nostradamus can't be pondered.


Here's a question to ponder, could those things have really been predictions? Or is it just that humans have been thinking on these things for so long that subconsciously, or even consciously for some, we have created the circumstances of the predictions? Had these earlier "visions/foretellings" not been around would the world be the same as it is now. Might these things have been the architects of their own predictions by way of transference?


As an example of this, look at Star Trek for instance. It was created and aired for only one season back in the late 1960's yet look at what it showed us back then.

1.) A small square plastic disk that held data and was put into a computer for storage and retrieval.

2.) They had 3 sided video conferencing monitors.

3.) Their communicators were palm sized flip open devises.


This is just a short list of items from that show and they did not exist in our real world at the time. Look around now and they are common place or have even been surpassed. Would we have cell phones, video conferencing, and removable data storage this soon without that show having planted the seed of their creation into the minds of the people who watched that show?


Thanks for the thread Deliguy, "I" don't see how this should be anymore disruptive than anything else here in the shooting the shit forum.



Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

Deliguy

^thats an excellent point and star trek is a great example.
I remember as a kid reading in popular science about how big research companies were using star trek as a model for trying to develop new technology.

A possibility of this forward imaging from the book of revelations was when he was talking about future militaries. Back in those days they had mildly armored horses and I'm sure had a lot of imagination of eventually creating war machines which wouldn't really come around until a few centuries before Da Vinci's day 1500 years later.. So when he described "giant iron locusts" being controlled by people crawling across the land causing destruction, while many would consider that a "prediction" for tanks and modern war machines it may have been what people of his day were picturing of the future of warfare. Kind of like we imagine a bunch of robots with lasers. However as tough as it is for us now to imagine stuff 10 or even 100 years into the future. I think John went a bit further touching on stuff that is on the brink of happening almost 2,000 years from his time. An electronic currency would be such an example. Volcanoes when he was describing the 6th seal, which he would have never seen or heard of, would be another.

You can easily pick apart certain items, such as one world government. He was in a major era and history of conquest so that was more than imaginable it was nearly expected. Yet others aren't so much such as the moon turning to blood. Which in our era we see it so often we don't think twice about it. It's just taken for granted. Back then that would of been nothing short of an act of a very angry God.

I think even if you're an athiest; You should read the book of revelations. It's actually quite amazing and perceptive and if you can weed through the God will do this, and God will do that you will probably enjoy it. It's very old world sci fi.

__________________

Bofu2U

Yeah I've read it a few times and it definitely makes you think about a few things.

__________________

riddarhusetgal

@Deliguy - do you mind if I ask: are you an atheist, agnostic or believer?

Just curious - totally don't care either way. We just had an interesting conversation about this over at PF, it was quite fun actually (if you can imagine a conversation about quantum physics and religion being fun, lol)

__________________

mattseh

NO harm in it, as long as it's just treated as a story

Midas Touch

In some circles it has been hypothesized that John may have eaten some Shrooms or other vegetation that may have inadvertently induced some of his visions. Such as the Armored Locusts. He could have just seen a locust or grasshopper walking on the ground by him while in the depressive phase of the effects and imagined it being armored. Not a far stretch to tie this creature to war in his mind since during his time locust were a devastating scourge.



It's also been brought up that the Gospels are in conflict with each other. Like in one of the recounts of Jesus cursing a bush that had no fruit, it immediately withered and died. In another account by one of his apostles it states that he cursed the bush and in the morning as they passed it again he saw that it had withered and died.

Which is accurate, immediate or delayed? They both could be, seeing as how Jesus was said to have usually sent one of the men ahead of the group into a town to secure logging prior to entering the town/village. Maybe the apostle that saw the bush dead the next morning was heading into town with his back turned and just heard Jesus curse the bush. So it was not until the next morning that he saw the bush.

This is the problem with so many things from the past. It's so hard for them to maintain not only their congruity but the context in which they were done and said.

I've always felt that humans only really have about 100 years of past working knowledge to go by. Older than that and things start to get fuzzy.

To bad we don't have true DNA memory that would allow us to accurately draw on our past relatives experiences and knowledge like in the movie "The 5th Element." We do have some genetic predisposition to certain aspects of our being, but it is very rudimentary.


Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

guerilla

People confuse revealed religion with spirituality. You can believe in a higher power, without having to go through particular rituals or follow specific scriptures.

Monotheistic religion is the ultimate conspiracy theory. It's based on the premise that there is a supreme being no one can see, making decisions none of us can understand, decisions which none of us have the moral authority to question.

I don't mean that with any value attached to it. I'm somewhat agnostic. I don't claim to know one way or the other.

One world government is Babel. Democracy are the bricks used to build Babel. People are stones, not bricks. Bricks are equal and the same. People are different and diverse. Throughout history, whenever people have forgotten they are unique, that is when the premise of God is under the greatest challenge. Whether it is in today's secular democracy, scientific global bureaucracy or in socialist tyrannies. Those seeking power always try to challenge and circumvent the uniqueness of individuals.

__________________
Change Your Life
Twitter ^ YouTube

Thank you for your attentiveness,
the forward thrusters, engage on you busters,
I cut the mustard.

turbolapp

Eli you should subscribe to my mom's favorite magazine "End Times" it's a trip and half.

As human beings we LOVE scary bed time stories (Hell, I'm a horror buff myself so I get it) There are alot of socio-anthropological reasons for this: us against them factors, fable like moral reasoning, fear as conditioning...ect

Revelations is the scariest. campfire ghost story. Ever.

(Oh and I'm pretty sure John The Apostle= schizophrenic)

__________________
Workflowy Best Free Organizational App. Period.

popeye

Right on! The greatest minds that have ever lived (Einstien, Hawkings to name only a few) believe in a greater power. It is fact that most legends from the past have some kind of truth to them. The Bible surely has some truth to it as well.

I would think that a true "thinker" would keep his mind open to all posiblities, even possibly some truths from the Bible. That's why I find it hard to even take athiest serious. Most are so closed minded to anything outside of the belief that anything to do with a higher spiratual power is nonsense. This closed mind thinking is a contradiction to what the atheist say they stand for.

As for the Book of Revelations, I find it very fascinating and have studied it to lengths. It is as accurate a description of what is and has been going on in the world as anything Nostridamus or Edgar Casey has ever written.

__________________

turbolapp

It's true. Evidence is everywhere you look.

__________________
Workflowy Best Free Organizational App. Period.

subigo

I don't believe any kind of conspiracy theories. I once convinced an entire forum that I was from the future.

lol... I just found this thread. The person they are talking about is me.

__________________
ZenSix Hosting - Sold Out. Get on the waiting list.

Midas Touch

It seems to me that religion by definition is a means to control a large group by a singularity or very small group.

Ask any of the past historical figures, or present leaders for that matter, who had/have power. It did not matter whether it was spiritual religion or political religion, it served the purpose of imposing an individual's or a small group's desires on a large mass of people.


Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

nevele

it's all symbolism. and sloppy science. and societal structurizing. useful, but limiting.
and the real conspiracy is what they've left out of the bible.



beyond that -- my belief is that belief creates, and mass belief creates massively.
so you gotta be careful with what you believe. most don't.

you've got your hardcore bible thumpers who want to bring about those wonderful predictions in the book of revelations -- destroying humanity to save humanity. you've got your poisonous snake handlers protected by their faith in imaginary friends. you've got 12 year old kids ready and willing to spend 3 minutes cutting off a dude's head with a bowie knife because their beliefs say that man is unfit to live.

aside from snake handlers (who remarkably almost never get bitten, but that's another essay or three on intent and reality hacking) these are incredibly destructive beliefs based on misunderstood instructions.

and yes, it's a goddamn conspiracy.

nostradamus I don't know about. the skeptic consensus puts his stuff in the realm of cold reading, but since so many people believe that I'm gonna call bullshit and say he was a templar operative providing coded communications and instructions to move against the then-church-controlled state.

he did get king henry's death by jousting 100% right after all. maybe it was an order, not a prediction.

whoa. maybe the book of revelations is an order.
that's a friggin mind blow right there.

by the by, a higher power does not have to wear robes and sport a massive beard. that's my main issue with thiests, and athiests.

this goes for any 'absolute' truth that a belief structure may teach.
absolutely convinced they're absolutely right.
absolutely ridiculous.

but understandable.

anyway. smart money says whether or not end times predictions happen, is up to you. and you.

__________________

Danc1122

Religion was created as a way to control large amounts of weak people.

Not much has changed...

Donace

A smashing good read (damn I sound like an old english man).

Will head over to the forums in a bit; however 'the book of revelation' if we are going to go down the conspiracy route. There is also the theory that the 'current' book of revelations is in fact a watered down version of the original and that the original book of rev. had more well revelations and was different in many ways.

Though this future predicting in the 'holy books' is not a new phenomenon, I remember a discussion I had a few years back and an example was given:

'Imagine you are walking at night down a street, a lot of the street lights are not working so you see only a limited amount.
Now Imagine you see a shadow; what do you think that shadow is?'

The point being depending on the area different people would assume different things. An area with a high dog population would think dog, and if you were actually in that situation that presumption would be re-enforced by your subconscious to reassure your concious side.

Same logic can be applied to when part of an item looks like something, your brain is trying to make a link with what it sees/ perceives and what you know (your knowledge bank).

So when reading scriptures such as this your brain is making links with what you know in an attempt to rationalise (to an extent) and explain what you are reading.

Falling on to a another example, psychic readers; they 'work' because their phrases are vague enough that links can be made in you head so to explain the phrase.
'Falling in to some fortune' come mean yo get money, a promotion, luck whatever but if I say that to 10 people 9 of them will think ah yea I did fall in to some fortune recently.

Bottom line who know? Being brought up in a religious background I give credence that the books given to 'people of the book' are in fact true. (though bit more biased to the Quran being more accurate but that is another bigger can of worms)

__________________

riddarhusetgal

You have GOT to be kidding me. This is the type of unfettered, unadulterated hypocrisy that makes left-leaning atheists despise religion, the bible, and all things Christian.

You make an unabashedly enlightened statement like that, yet you claim all liberals are "brain washed", Obama is the Anti-Christ and all other manner of close-mindedness.

When have you ever, ever, ever demonstrated on this forum that "I would think that a true 'thinker" would keep his mind open to ALL POSSIBILITES..."

When have you ever stepped back to entertain the "POSSIBILITY" that those who believe differently than you politically aren't "Brainwashed" (see you sig for evidence of this statement) but perhaps are simply interpreting the facts differently?

When have you ever demonstrated to any of your colleagues/pals/whatever on this forum that though you may have traditional/conservative values, you are generally open to entertaining - at least on a basic level - "ALL POSSIBILITIES".


I'd take atheism over your brand of Christianity ANY DAY - and this is someone who would most happily stand atop any mountain proclaiming her unquestionable love and belief in the First Cause - or as Einstein called him,
"The Old One..."

excuse my thread highjacking.......

__________________

aeisn

It blows my mind that WickedFire, which is full of fairly smart people, actually believe this crap.

blueRAP

Maybe he ate shrooms and hallucinated these visions




The Pharmacratic Inquisition

^ Very interesting and convincing evidence on the relations between psychedelic drugs and the mythology of Christianity.

Midas Touch

After reading your post I will add to what I said earlier about being an Atheist.

I would be "Pleasantly" surprised to find that there really is a higher power. To know that two amoebae did not just bump butts to create us or that some Alien species was not just conducting some experiment that has gone awry would be excellent news.

Hell, just to actually have a ghost haunt me would be enough to change "my" mind. LOL!!


Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

Midas Touch

+REP!! Nice!!!

Sincerely,

MT

P.S. I've never partaken in the delicacy myself, but I have had a few friends that enjoyed "Tea Time" after a stroll through the pasture. (Theirs were a little more purplish though, if I'm remembering correctly. LOL!!)

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

guerilla

You are the poster child for fanatical pretentiousness, so it seems to me to be very funny you are attacking popeye for a variation of the same.

__________________
Change Your Life
Twitter ^ YouTube

Thank you for your attentiveness,
the forward thrusters, engage on you busters,
I cut the mustard.

emp

Sorry, but that is nutso conspiracy theory at its finest. Book and exact text for those?

::emp::

__________________
Your Logical Fallacies - know them to avoid them

That's because all programmers are also ninjas.(but not all ninjas are programmers) - LogicFlux

Blind Ape Seo

guerilla

In the sense it is organized, sure.

Millions of people have read Atlas Shrugged. A significantly smaller # are Objectivists, which is the philosophical group based around the ideas in the book.

I don't conflate the bible with the church, or God with praying.

Science and modern collectivism (environmentalism, democracy, socialism) are the new means to control people. Instead of giving them a specific moral ethic, you propose multiple conflicting ones, and undermine critical thinkers as kooks or conspiracists.

Power is always in high demand, and so the methods of attaining it are always evolving.

Religion is something that can be good or evil, the entire enterprise is founded on interpretation.

But just like a bank robber drinking a coca cola doesn't make coke a crime enabling drug, nor does a priest diddling young boys make the bible a manual on child sexual abuse.

By being open minded, I mean making two logical progressions when you come to a conclusion. Instead of taking the first answer given, ask the question a second time, and this time question that first answer's veracity.

Most people believe what they are told. That is why flogs work. If they took the step of analyzing the flog, many would not convert.

__________________
Change Your Life
Twitter ^ YouTube

Thank you for your attentiveness,
the forward thrusters, engage on you busters,
I cut the mustard.

riddarhusetgal

Insightful as always MT - I am going to package all your threads and sell them as an ebook, lol...

Actually, in my humble opinion, the so-called "Bible" should be left out of all SCIENTIFIC discussions related to the origin of existence."

I look to QUANTUM PHYSICS, SCIENCE, REASON & LOGIC to form much of monotheistic beliefs.

QUANTUM PHYSICS HAS PROVEN WHAT MANY MYSTICS HAVE SAID FOR YEARS - THE EXISTENCE OF AN ENERGY NOT BOUND BY THE NEWTONION OR QUANTUM MECHANICAL SPACE/TIME Paradigm.

THIS IS NOT PSEUDO-SCIENCE!!

THIS IS SCIENCE!!


Science says that matter/energy can be neither created or destroyed.

If something can be neither created nor destroyed the only logical conclusion is that it is INFINITE.

In other words, it has always existed.

The Big Bang Theory - contrary to the masses' belief - DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED at what's been described as 1 trillionth of a second BEFORE "PLANCK'S MOMENT".

The only way that energy can exist is if a phenomena exists/existed outside of the space/time paradigm - in other words something not bound by c, aka the speed of light.


In the 14th chapter of Darwin's work, "Origin of Species" he states quite clearly that is theory is PREDECATED ON THE KEY ASSUMPTION That a naturally occuring, reproducing organism is the FOUNDATION of Evolution.


Therefore, if we take the scientific observations that:

1) Matter/Energy can neither be created nor destroyed - i.e. it has always existed

2) Since physical reality is bound by both time and space (i.e. c= 299 792 458/2) it is LOGICALLY FINITE - Therefore something on this plane of the physical which is FINITE could not have produced something INFINITE.

This is grade school, Aristocratic logic; it cannot be refuted rationally


3) According to the popularly held belief in Evolution, we exist solely due to a reproducing organism (again see the 14th Chapter of "Origin of Species"


4) Then, it is clear that something a) infinite and b) self producing was in fact the First Cause.


Antony Flew is known as the 20th century's most famous atheist. He wasn't interested in any stories about a guy named Adam and one woman named Eye "getting busy" in the garden of even serving as a LOGICAL, RATIONAL argument for the existence of a First Cause.


While at Oxford, he wrote “Theology and Falsification" and for years has debated priests, preachers, etc. on their crusade to make people believe that the LITERAL INTERPRETATION of the King James version of the Bible is scientifically correct or accurate.


Several years ago, after reading about the breakthroughs in DNA research and being a man unswervingly committed to rationality and reason, taking the argument put forth above (i.e. infinity + Darwin's work), his LOGIC AND REASON lead him to the following conclusion:

“It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism,” “My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato’s Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads.”

"It seems to me that the case for an Aristotelian God who has the characteristics of power and also intelligence, is now much stronger than it ever was before."

Max Planck the Father of Quantum Physics and Nobel Prize winner said quite emphatically:

""All Matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.""


Martin Reese, the famous theoretical physicist stated:
"In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it."

Pascal Jordan said,
""Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it."

John Wheeler the dad who gave me up for adoption (HAHA, J/K...say that because I love the guy) is another one. Princeton PHD Professor and student of Neils Bohr, he was one of the greatest theoretical quantum physicists of the past 109 years....

He said,
"“You can talk about people like Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Confucius, but the thing that convinced me that such people existed were the conversations with Bohr,” (see NY Times article)

The list goes on and on. For anyone who finds this stuff interesting, I'd encourage you to investigate the SCIENTIFIC FACTS and not be brainwashed by Jerry-Springer like interpretations of Scientific Truth.

As one professor has said in a current book I am reading about the relationship between consciousness and physical reality, he tells the author

"Though what you're saying is correct, presenting this material to NONSCIENTISTS is the intellectual equivalent of allowing children to play with loaded guns".

Many people drink up so called scientific "facts" the way holy rollers "drink up" whatever they hear in church.


ACCEPT NOTHING AS FACT WITHOUT YOUR OWN PERSONAL INVESTIGATION!

As Brian Josephson the 20-something year old Nobel Prize winner in physics smartly asserted:

"“One of my guiding principles…has been the scientist’s motto ‘Take nobody’s word for it (nullius in verba) a corollary of which is that if scientists as a whole denounce an idea this should not necessarily be taken as proof that the said idea is absurd: rather, one should examine carefully the alleged grounds for such opinions and judge how well these stand up to detailed scrutiny”



OK, soap box proclaimations over! Now I am off to build a landing page which I'll use to sell the Midas Touch ebook I'm about to push, lol

__________________

pickledegg

Bring it on, fuckin USD to GBP exhange rate shit getting shitter.

__________________
This signature is temporarily down for maintenance.

riddarhusetgal

Take a nap dear - really.

If you claim I'm pretentious, you're projecting your own insecurities on to me. I can be loquacious, passionate and supercilious at times - every girl has her shortcomings, lol- but a close-minded zealot I am not.

Perhaps if you'd free yourself from your foam-at-the mouth, unbridled zealotry in ideas that are only successful at being FALSIFIED by the scientific method (Austrian Economics -the quentissential oxymoron if ever I heard of one - lol) and your obvious need for validation by brain-fuzzy, obsequious, intellectual sycophants, you might get somewhere in life.....

__________________

guerilla

Your post before last proved my point. Your 5 or 6 posts in repetition about a court case yesterday, proves my point.

I may be insecure, and you appear to be insecure. But it's very dishonest to berate popeye for the same sort of behavior you exhibit. He is at least capable at times of lowering the volume, speaking soulfully and with humility.

__________________
Change Your Life
Twitter ^ YouTube

Thank you for your attentiveness,
the forward thrusters, engage on you busters,
I cut the mustard.

Midas Touch

Point well taken here Guerilla.


"Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planer." -Ralph Waldo Emerson


"When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad, but they are always blind." -Bill Moyers


"It is an unscrupulous intellect that does not pay antiquity it's due reverence." -Eramus


“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”- Schopenhauer


Unfortunately it seems that the majority or our species is just wired this way. As we gain more knowledge we seem to just find more complicated ways to implement our base desires/drives.


Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

slayerment

I totally think there is something to the Book of Revelation. I have studied the Bible my whole life and have found too many prophesies and pieces in there that just fit too tightly to simply discard Revelation as being merely a story. Sure there are plenty of pieces in the Bible that may not make sense or may not fit our current paradigm, but I'm not stupid enough to throw the whole thing out simply because certain parts are off or misrepresented.

Anybody who has made it their mission to really grasp a true understanding of our reality and studied things like the Holocaust, communism, secret societies, mind control, Cain, Noah's sons, Israel, banking, the Federal Reserve, history, symbols, physics and even ETs should be aware that there is definitely more to this than we are led to believe.

I don't see how anybody could NOT reach the conclusion that we are headed towards a one world government based off the world's current affairs. It's all been planned for many years and we have all been slowly led into this system step by step. What we make of this is open to lots of different interpretations, but the fact of the matter is that it is well on the way.

I could go on for days about this subject, there's just way too much out there that nobody takes the time to look into, but that's okay, that too was prophesied.

__________________
Bad music
Stupid blog

kingofsp

__________________
W4 - Like Hуdra, but like way better.

Midas Touch

"I'll be here sitting on the beach while you do that, collecting my meager 20% licensing fee!!" My PayPal ID is [email protected]. LOL!!!

By the way, while reading your post I reached up on my desk and pulled this down:






Sincerely,

MT

P.S. Let me know how my/your/our launch goes!! LOL!!!!

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

popeye

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

This was written by Albert Einstein and sums up the whole god thing to me so perfect. I am open to almost anything when it comes to the idea of a god. This is because we as humans, can only hope to scratch the surface of understanding when it comes to the universe and our existance.

__________________

TheDean

Religion is quite possibly the most brutal and unrelenting rebill/continuity program ever conceived.

You get hit up every Sunday, and get the goods when you're dead.

There's something to Revelation??? LMAO

Yea there was also something to the revolutions that democratized the entire fucking western world centuries ago, and believe me it wasn't the KING JAMES version that suddenly did it either.

Maevn

Win.

Old Goat

The Book of Revelation only made it into the Bible by 1 vote - so it was a close call. The Book of Enoch, revered for many years, did not make the cut and was not included in the Canon. In Revelation, there were references to Nero, who killed many Christians; and references to Mass. Perhaps visions into the future are also included.

I do believe God can give a person a vision ... a religious experience. It has happened many times in history. This does not mean the person is mentally ill or on dope.

slayerment

I find it elementary how you express religion and religious beliefs as a way of discrediting the Book of Revelation. Would it not be much more beneficial to argue on actual points from Revelation rather than escaping with the straw man of religion? Are you so shallow as to not realize that the Bible has been misrepresented for ages? The topic is not about religion but rather the Book of Revelation. I am not in the lease bit surprised as so many people choose to take this stance rather than work off the actual source material itself.

__________________
Bad music
Stupid blog

schockergd

What about the book of revelations?


Hard for a Christian to understand, let alone a Atheist or such.

The problem is , many people see them just as stories, I see them as books written thousands of years ago on the best knowledge.


If you saw a car 4000 years how would you describe it? How could you describe something if you could see 1000 years into the future? I imagine it'd be quite hard , If you're into all this stuff, read the book of Isaiah Too , there's quite a bit in there that's pretty scary if you don't say to yourself "Well this all can't be true" and are a little more open-minded.

__________________


Shut up and make some money already.

PM Me if you want a discounted PPC-Coach Subscription.

Donace

@ riddarhusetgal hit me up with the name of that book, sounds intriguing.

Forget that even define a 'cow' so a person who has never seen a cow knows what it is. Now get 10 more definitions of it from 10 other people. They all vary and therein lies the confusion. Its hard to come to a recognised def. for what is in front of you so how would you define a concept or thing that has not yet come in to being.

__________________

Gablablah

When people try to reconcile ancient books and beliefs with reality, they count the hits and ignore the misses. A person who prays for hundreds of different things is bound to have some of their life events fit with their prayers, and of course it will be those events that prove what they believe is true. All the things that didn't happen can be easily brushed away dozens of different ways (God doesn't answer all prayers, he has a different plan, our human understanding is inferior etc.), but of course when something does line up then they'll have no trouble accepting the human level of understanding and knowing that it really was God's will.

Humans seek patterns and will find them wherever they can. Horoscopes for example - there was a test done with a group of people where they were all given astrological readings about their personalities. Each person was surprised how accurately it described them and how personal it was - a true testament to the power of astrology in their minds. Then they were asked to look at other people's readings, and it turned out they had all been given identical readings. The human mind has a sometimes faulty way of finding meaning in things.

The book of revelations is nothing more than one more chapter in a book written by people who understood very little about the world. Literally thousands of different events could take place in modern times and somebody creative enough could reconcile it with Revelations. Keep in mind that Revelations is part of a book that has shed the following wisdom upon us:

- The earth is less than 10,000 years old, which is false (sorry creationists, but it's really time to crack a few science books)
- Not believing in a bodily resurrection is punishable by an infinite period of torment
- Every single species of animal that exists (currently about 1.4 million known species) descended from a single group of animals kept aboard one boat, which was built in response to the largest mass murder in history, committed by the being who supposedly made everything in the first place with foreknowledge of exactly what would happen

The list continues, but the point is really why in the world would you even try to figure things out about the world from the book of revelations?

__________________

TheDean

You got me all wrong man. I mean come on the Book of Revelation is like the ultimate Exit Pop. They jack the old Jewish dude's LP add some innovative copy and imagery, hit the short tails like "forgiveness" "love" and go balls to the wall broad matching, and BOOM exponential conversion rate.

I dig it.

Midas Touch

OK, here's the other problem about Creation, it's antimatter.

This magazine had about 10 pages of the physicists whining about the fact that there are not equal parts of matter and antimatter. Which is a flaw in their "Big Bang" theory. Even though they KNOW that when matter and antimatter come into contact with each other both molecules disappear and release 100% their energy.

If there were equal parts of antimatter to the matter in the universe NOTHING WOULD EXIST and they would not be pondering this!! LOL!!

Here's the Mag:





Let me explain the "Better than Gold!" that I wrote on that back in 1985. This magazine has one particular article in it that is of GREAT concern to me and most other "Men" that I know. I'll post up the pic of the article in here and I think that it will explain everything. (Direct your attention to "Preserving Potency".)






I figured that I would keep a copy of this article to show my doctor if the day should ever come that I need the surgery myself.

Here's a page from the antimatter article with the scientists that riddarhusetgal was referring to:








Mainly figured I'd share the "Keep the Dick Working" info, it was just by happenstance that the rest tied into this thread.



Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

TheDean

Midas, this isn't the school library microfiche for chrissake could you attach that shit instead.

erect

Many things are self fulfilling prophecies ... Revelations is very much one. I remember as a kid seeing digital numbers appearing on gas pumps and my mom tried to convince me it was the mark of the beast. To this day, she's still reaching for Revelations fulfillment (eg. Obama is the antichrist).

The point is, everyone is looking for signs that what they believe in is true, science believers included. When someone sees an inch, they take a mile. It's funny really as everyone is pushing their agenda on everyone else while blaming the opposition for doing exactly that.

Nice formatting on your posts, it's very much improved!



You guys should check out "Knowing" ... just saw it last night and, as a believer, I'm open minded enough to think that our intelligent designer is an alien. Hell, I can't see how people would disagree since he's not from earth obviously.

slayerment

The 3 examples listed there are not Biblical teachings - they are church teachings. Show me where in the Bible it says the earth is less than 10,000 years old? I've never read that or even reached that conclusion. These are teachings by the Church, not the Bible. The Bible doesn't teach Adam was the first man on the planet, it teaches he was the first man of his RACE. Go back, read the text and do your homework.

It's a shame that so many people think that the church teachings are Biblical teachings. Can we cut the bullshit and simply talk about the actual text of the Bible? Can we leave out the religious misrepresentations and for once actually discuss the subject matter? Or does actually reading and thinking about the Bible require too much work for this dumbed down world?

For people knowing so much about the Bible and the Book of Revelation there seems to be very little actual talk on it.

__________________
Bad music
Stupid blog

Midas Touch

I do apologize for that.


I won't throw up anymore scans full sized.


Sincerely,

MT

__________________
VVVVVVVVVVVVVV

"Chance favors the prepared mind." --- Louis Pasteur

Some people dream of success, while others wake up and work hard for it.

Deliguy

Don't mean to belittle your argument but you just kind of nulled it with that statement. Science proved that matter can't be created or destroyed. In fact it was declared a scientific law. Then quantum mechanics developed and proved that not only can matter be created and destroyed but it happens all the time. All particles at random times can just disappear then reappear somewhere else. There's a lot of theories about where they go but the phenom became the basis for a new quantum physics theory of Antimatter. BTW this isn't some kind of brand new news, the law of matter being created and destroyed has been long since disproven and the theory of antimatter is now the widely accepted. Sad to say but those textbooks we had in school that we based all our knowledge on were dead wrong. So to say science is absolute and everything else is wrong is to undefine science itself.

__________________

Deliguy

huh? What bible did you read? I'm hoping none because as far as I know none of that is in the bible. I think you're confusing the actual bible with religious beliefs.

__________________