papajohn56

H.R. 1256: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (GovTrack.us)

Nanny state begins! All flavors except menthol will be banned. Clove cigarette manufacturers in Indonesia are filing complaints with the WTO saying since the bill was lobbied for by Philip Morris, it's anti-competitive. This won't prevent kids from fucking smoking, and it will just pad Philip Morris' wallet due to less competition. I don't even smoke and this is bullshit.

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GoogleSearchSux

I quit smoking a few years ago, but once in a while I enjoy a nice clove... who the hell does this Obama think he is.

Worst part is HE IS A SMOKER. Just because you were not strong enough to quit on your own and control your addiction doesn't mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us.

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papajohn56

all the clove-smoking hipsters who voted for him will sure be in for a shock

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neab1as

now what am i gonna do to get that hooker taste out of my mouth ...

papajohn56

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kingofsp

Am I the only one mildly amused by the fact that he is still down with menthols?

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papajohn56

^lol

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GetYourWriter

I call bullshit on them doing this. Not much else I can say but I hope he gets a dick flavored cigarette when he relapses.

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ayzo

Hah, I busted out laughing when I read "All flavors except menthol will be banned"

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fm1234

So glad someone else beat me to the menthol thing. Obama wouldn't want alienate himself from that particular demographic any further than he already has.


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cardine

Obama's making Bush look like a libertarian.

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JarredLv

We're in good hands with Shepard's like these...


But in the mean time - Campaignforliberty.org

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HarveyJ

ok, I'm not even an American and I seem to know more about your political system than most of you, which is tragic.

This isn't an "Obama" thing.
This is one guy who's deep in the pockets of the anti-smoking lobby, wanting to get this through, and has done a fantastic job at convincing people this somehow protects children from being self destructive. Considering Obama is a smoker, at this point he can theoretically tell them to fuck off and not sign it (although unlikely).

In either case, it doesn't ban flavoured cigarettes, it bans manufacturers from using flavour as a selling point.
They mean you can't call them "Vanilla Smoothes" or some shit.

We've had this law for 3 years... "Vanilla Smoothes" became "DJ Whites". Strawberry became "DJ Feel" and chocolate became "Black Devils"
It'll just be a rebranding exercise.

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cardine

The rep is a Democrat. No laws are created/written by Obama. Everytime some ridiculous law is made you can claim that it is not written by the president, and that it isn't an "Obama" thing. However he has veto power, and his veto would not be overridden. A Republican president would veto this bill. Obama won't. So Obama can basically decide whether or not this law is gets passed. That certainly makes it an "Obama" thing.

So you can certainly blame the Democrats and Obama for this.

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cardine

You must have misread the law.

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papajohn56

huh? this is an obama thing because he's been pushing it on TV and has been asking for it in press conferences. not only that, but you in fact misread the law. it says it may not contain artificial or natural flavors. don't patronize me about my own legal system.

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nvanprooyen

I'm down for Obama bashing as much as any freedom loving, Ayn Rand reading libertarian...but I really think this is more about Phillip Morris locking in their control over the market using their lobbyists.

It seems counter intuitive, but with these new regulations on marketing NO one has a shot at taking over their market share (even if the market overall shrinks a bit). When the Phillip Morris executives are dancing in the halls over a bill regulating tobacco, you have to wonder why.

Refrozen

What the.

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mingrza

Is this really about cloves? I believe this is going to stop a whole lot of blunts and blunt wraps from hitting the shelves nearest you.

Bastards...

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papajohn56

it is, because clove cigarettes still have tobacco in them

Obama has been pushing it as a "health initiative" and as keeping kids from smoking

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LogicFlux

This has got to be one of the most stupidest laws ever. With this and the shit the FTC is wanting to do I'm starting to want my vote back.

erect

^^ yes this is what hurts

The real pity is that someone with "logic" in his name would give Obama his vote anyways

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It's a stupid law since we have these in all gas stations and the bill won't touch this product.



And on a side note ... anyone pushing blucigs yet? I've seen them around but haven't heard any buzz yet

BeerHat

This is really a sad place we've come to. Now it's cloves, what's next?

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LogicFlux

I liked Obama better than the other candidates. I still like him on foreign policy.

The problem is my political beliefs don't really coincide with any established mold or archetype, so I really just have to choose from a bunch of people who don't really represent my beliefs, and I'm counting all the 3rd party candidates as well.

turbolapp

Ahhh I haven't had a clove since...shit I don't know when, maybe college?

I was a social smoker for years and was never really addicted. Truth be told I never liked the cigarettes that much, they truly are disgusting. Except for cloves. What a great taste and smell. Also enjoyed the slow burn. The only thing that kept me from smoking those things all the time was the coughing up the lung factor the next morning. They're pretty harsh.

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HarveyJ

Apologies, I did misread.
Either way, wait and see, they'll come out with other flavoursome shit to replace it.
Trust me, tobacco finds a way.

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nvanprooyen

Let's see how that plays out when the chips are down. E.g. Iran.

Sohan

Man we can't get cloves in the UK I gotta jump hoops to get those things and now cloves no more? Ghay...

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papajohn56

remember, this bill was lobbied for by the world's largest tobacco manufacturer - it eliminates their competition. Philip Morris does not produce flavored or clove cigarettes other than menthol.

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nvanprooyen

Pretty much my point.

Sohan

H.R. 675: Building Obama’s Civilian National Security Force seems interesting too

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nvanprooyen

I saw some video clips of some kinds being indoctrinated somewhere chanting "Yes we can" while doing "civilian national security force" drills. Reminiscent of the Hitler youth. Nice job to the people that put this guy in office.

greenleaves

umm... if obama is ralling for it... please provide a link where he is in favor of this law.

I'd like to know if it is really, or just bi-partisanstupidity... since both sides take the lobbying dollars very lovingly.

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turpentine

bitch cigarettes.

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LogicFlux

At least on the front-end(the part we can see, public statements, etc) he is playing it perfectly so far.

papajohn56

in signing it, he supports it:

Obama Signs Landmark Tobacco Control Law

"“Each day, 1,000 young people under the age of 18 become new, regular, daily smokers. And almost 90 percent of all smokers began at or before their 18th birthday,” said President Obama, himself struggling to quit smoking, in his bill signing remarks. “I know -- I was one of these teenagers, and so I know how difficult it can be to break this habit when it's been with you for a long time.”"

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cardine

A Republican would veto it. Obama won't veto it. That's the difference.

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JarredLv

Well shit, just call them cigars then...

AS long as they didn't touch my sisha...

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The people wanted bigger government and that's what they're getting. That's what happens when you vote in a liberal.

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bprimeelite

The thread is misleading. You will still be able to buy any flavor. The bill was an anti-advertising bill making it so the cig companies could not advertise in magazines, websites, etc where people under 18 are the main demographic and the cig companies would not be able to advertise flavor as the main selling point. I think it is needed because I see cig advertising anymore for the flavored stuff that looks more like a starburst ad than a cig ad. I mean be real I think we all know the cig companies still have way to much money, they aren't going to be able to ban anything because in the US we still live by the "golden rule", the man with the gold makes the rules.

xmcp123

You really believe they were marketing to people under 18? They're really not. And they're banned from advertising on nearly any other medium.
Adults like flavor too
But in addition, let's quote time.com
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Tobacco companies already do more than enough to discourage people from using their product. I mean, Burger King is bad for you, but they don't have to set aside millions of dollars to tell people to stop eating burgers.
Meanwhile, Tobacco gets to fund a bunch of projects to get people to NOT buy their product(on mediums they can't advertise on in favor of their product). That's more than enough in my book.

Last point in this rant: It gives the FDA the ability to regulate nicotine. Tobacco companies *love* that. If/when they reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes, people aren't going to smoke the same and get less nicotine; they're going to smoke more cigarettes for the same nicotine, and buy more.

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BeerHat

Spot on my friend, for some reason when it comes to cigarettes everyone seems to forget it's a personal choice. I don't smoke anymore, but I used to and I started in 9th grade. I remember my friends and I laughing at all the ridiculous anti-smoking campaigns.

It's shameful what the courts and the government have made the cigarette industry do as far as forcing them to advertise in order to prevent people from using their product.

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Trademark

Keep in mind the central state often introduces legislation as a ramp. Once implemented, it's incredibly difficult to dismantle and relatively easy to build upon.

I would be floored if we didn't see a slow erosion of rights in this area over the next decade. By 2020, I suspect we'll look back and say, "Remember the good 'ole days when you could buy cigarettes at most stores."

I don't smoke. Never have and never plan to. But, any unconstitutional erosion in civil liberties is painful to me. It wasn't so long ago that bootleggers were killing people over alcohol. It happens today over drugs. It would be a shame if it happened over nicotine products in the future.

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Supergeek

Smoking is a filthy, stupid, disgusting, unhealthy habit.

That said, I support your right to kill yourself any way you please. This is stupid. Legalize it all. The government has no right to tell me what the fuck to put in my body as long as I don't hurt anyone else to do it.

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turbolapp

I'd like to throw something else in the mix here. People always say "Who cares if you want to kill yourself, as long as you don't harm others" (which is debatable with the second and third hand smoke issues which kills about 440k people a year) but what about my tax dollars? Who pays for you after you've spent your life killing yourself? Me. Smokers cost tax payers 10 billion dollars It's estimated that more than 196 BILLION dollars are spent each year on health related costs due to smoking. And that stuff just trickles down to the taxpayers.

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Pockets

I was wondering about that too. What's going to happen to e-cigs that don't actually contain tobacco, technically they just contain the nicotine? I know they're illegal in Hong Kong, but what about here?

BeerHat

So the answer is for the government to regulate our lives? What people don't understand about the smoking debate is that it's not so much about smoking as it is about empowering the government. Just look at the shining example of New York City where you can't cook with anything that has trans fat in a restaurant. I mean come on, have we lost our minds here?

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Refrozen

The answer is to get rid of public health care.

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xmcp123

Propaganda(2nd & 3rd hand smoke).
And fatasses cost more than smokers do. When we start making twinkies have a warning label, the expense thing will be a valid argument. Living life is expensive. No matter what you do.

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