emp

FUCK!

I just wasted 2 days trying to get a fucking useless templating system to work. Before giving up upon realizing I could have written it myself in this time.

Then installed Ubuntu on my main machine and killed the MBR, which is going to result in more wasted time tonight.

FUCK!

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papajohn56

damn you ubuntu, another victim of your siren song of open source, drawn into the horrors of a terrible linux kernel. bsd fan myself

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Blue Screen of Death fan?
Maaan, I know some serious windows users, but you top em all..

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guerilla

I lol'd.


emp for chancellor!

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joshmv

I occasionally waste time at this site, and I think of you every time. No homo. EmpFlix

hannahmcintyre

Damn, that sucks.

I once spent 4 hours trying to edit a certain landing page and I couldn't figure out why my changes weren't being applied, no matter what I tried.

Until I realized I was editing the wrong domain...

papajohn56

on any server I've been able to manage myself in person, except for solaris 10 on one, and a Mac OS X server for a newspaper

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I was pulling your leg.
Joke detector in the shop?

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Fuck linux. I used to run slackware on my 486 in '94 when I was coding MUD's and it worked great then. Now I have nothing but problems.

Every few years I install linux on an oder machine (usually around 1-2 years old) and every time I try it, something fucks up and I have to go hunting for drivers or a HOWTO on getting my video or network or sound or something working and it sucks up an entire weekend.

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Agreed

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Hey, fuck you buddy!

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Rage9

Agreed.

Not sure how you destroyed your MBR installing Ubuntu. Ubuntu is slick at creating all the boot loader settings for grub for you. It's always the issue of Windblows being careless and destroying the MBR.

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guysmy

linux users = no monies. they never seem to convert in prosper. i wish i could block by operating system when doing cpa ppc.

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tainted

That's because they're too smart to fall for any of the shit you're peddling.

guysmy

you are correct, sir. high iq = low cpa conversions.

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Damn, I wonder if it would be worthwhile to redirect all Linux traffic to a Thinkgeek aff link.

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I used the automatic install as in "I want dual boot, you make the partition".

Funny thing is, it chose my external USB HDD (as biggest continuous free space) to install.

Seems GRUB can't access that and dies with error 21.

Just got it fixed by disconnecting the external USB HDD and reinstalling Ubuntu.

As much as I think Ubuntu has furthered Linux desktop usability, the partitioning section of the installer is a big, giant, fucking usabilty FAIL.

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No, actually that was user error. You fucking set it up wrong which is why it ended up all fucked up.

Blame yourself.

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emp

Hehe.. here we differ.

Although I (as a user) could have done something differently, that dialog could be so much better.

I am not about blaming here, but about improving.

Why does one always get that shitty attitude when dealing with Linuxers? Get laid more often, Sheesh.

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uplinked

He's right.
Your complaint about the dialog is probably valid; Linux dialogs often tend to suck. But, according to the linux community, it was you who fucked it up in the first place by not using fdisk and grub, and reading the dialog in the setup wizard instead.

I'm serious. The day you decide to use F/OSS, you waive all rights to dialogs and wizards, and instead are required -- not suggested, fucking required -- to do everything by hand in a terminal. Most GUI interaction in linux usually leads to instability.

Is it reasonable? No. Is it usable? No. Is it a pain in the ass to get it running? Yes. Does it break every time you try to upgrade half the OS at once? Yes.

Will it eventually work, if you're persistent and configure everything manually and build all of your binaries from source?

Yes, that's the point. In fact, that's the whole point- "Linux. You'd better know everything!"

Because there's no such thing as "a linux user", only "developers that happen to use linux". Because everyone that actually understands this shit inherently comes with a sense of entitlement. Because you asked for "an answer", and "an answer" is not free. It cost someone 15 hours of their day reading GRUB documentation, like you "should have done" (according to the Devs) in the first place, to realize that the installation GUI is utter crap in the first place.

You're working with products that were put together by a disjoint symposium of disgruntled developers, almost all of whom have a god complex and too much free time on their hands and probably aren't as smart as they think -- or why else are they giving away free software? Of course it's difficult to use properly.

Anyone who really understands *nix will either call me "fucking idiot" and walk away from thread, or acknowledge some degree of truth [and suggest an easy fix! that doesn't work!] That's just how *nix'ers are.



EDIT-- to clarify, i feel bad for you, emp. sucks you lost a whole day to a shitty gui. i just switched back to windows xp after running linux for almost a year. i recommend windows xp for friends, family and every other computer that is not a server, and i recommend you switch back to xp as well.

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Wrong, I think Ubuntu has one of the best looking and easiest to use partition editors during installation I've ever seen.

Like I said the install GUI is actually pretty slick IMHO. It's getting better with every release too. Your not installing from command line with Ubuntu. I don't sit around and read the grub manual for 15 hours either.

As for answers not sure what the fuck your talking about, if you took the time to participate in the Ubuntu or Fedora forums you'd see that people just sit there and field questions all day. It's great, never once had a problem getting an answer.

I will call you a "fucking idiot" but not walk away. I'm actually pretty convinced you never actually used Ubuntu enough to ever even comment on it.

You don't need to know everything, but people are just generally lazy. You had to learn how to use Windows at some point and most people see it as useless to learn anything Linux related.

I'd say Linux is more powerful and flexible than windows. More / easier ways to get things done.

Really how long does it take to learn how to use a distro like Ubuntu Linux? Not very long. Stop being lazy and stop making excuses and acting like shit never breaks on Windows.

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emp

Geezus fucking Christ.

I am a developer, people. I am not a stupid idiot using a computer for the first time.

I fucking use the Linux shell on every server at work, I have been doing so for a few years.

I like Linux for the power it gives me as a developer, the command line is godlike.

BUT

I have tried several times to use it as my desktop OS, and the linux community touts its improved user friendliness all over, all the time.

So I try to use it at home.... and fail. And try again... and it fails me again.

And no, I am not going to bend backwards to just install an OS. This is a thing EVEN VISTA gets right, and still Linux can't do it with the same ease of use?

Last time the unrecognized network card was the deal breaker, this time it is the installation AND the network (which gives out and disconnects me every 20 seconds..WTF?)

I support the OSS movement wholeheartedly. I push open source wherever I can.

But as a home desktop? no.

Not with those glitches and not with that attitude.

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Sorry emp, didn't realize you were a regular linux user, wasn't fair to assume this was your first install.

I totally agree with the rest of your post, and Rage9 above you. As a true "power user", I love to use linux. I complain about GUIs in particular, because, as is the case with GRUB, often times the GUI wrapper doesn't do as good a job as the command line alternative, fails to provide the full functionality, etc, and there's always a reason to read the documentation. Personally, I don't mind, I prefer to do everything by hand, my first linux install was gentoo stage 1 bootstrap -- took me three weeks just to get GNOME running. I couldn't even `ls` when I started.

But for the glitches and errors it contains, and the especially the shitty attitude of "community-driven" support -- Ubuntu's forums aside, have you tried getting help with gentoo? any help with gentoo at all? even a yes/no answer? it's worse than asking for help makingmonies on wickedfire. people act like you're the enemy. -- I think largely we agree that some aspects of basic fucking usability in linux are just... missing. IMO, it's because, the people who develop most F/OSS are egotistical, god-complex, bootstrap-it-yourself coders [sure, not unlike myself], who have trouble thinking like real-live-humans.

I switched back because on linux, even though remotely administering 100 servers simultaneously was a breeze, my code basically wrote itself, and the command line could to *everything*, I couldn't for the life of me get sound to work on my desktop. And my laptop had the same issues you describe with network connectivity, to the point where I tried writing a patch for a kernel driver a few months ago to fix it.

I'll stick to XP on the desktop. Vista's full of bugs, and rc/beta win7 don't feel any less retarded.

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I was changing file/directory permissions the other day in an SSH session and then would check the url in my browser to see if the directories/files had become inaccessible to the web. It wasn't working, and it took me a while to figure what the fuck it was until I realized I was making changes to the wrong site's directory(both wordpress sites, so most of the structure was the same). I ended up not only wasting time making changes to the wrong site, but I fucked up the permissions of the other site and had to spend more time fixing it.
I swear I think sometimes retardedness just floats around and lands on people randomly like that feather in Forrest Gump.

Rage9

Haha, Gentoo was my first Linux distro I actually tried to work with, and ended in total failure. I didn't even go to the forums I was a lost cause, lol.

You seem to be basing your prejeduces off a distro that's hard core and not for the faint of heart. It is definatly something that I would never tell anyone to use right off the bat. I would understand why the users are assholes about support, there's a certain expected knowlege.

But not all distros are like that. Plenty of good ones that are user friendly, and have friendly supportive communities.

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ahah nah I caught it, I just was posting what I use. reason being for openBSD is just the security. it may be a bitch to use, but when people want a secure server, it's the only thing I'll use. only two remote holes in the base install in something like 10-11 years. As a home desktop? Mac only.

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I definitely have prejudices, but they're more in line with the spirit of this thread- Specifically, my bias is against software that wastes my time. I find that linux wastes a lot of my time, when used as my desktop OS, on "simple" problems with "core" functionality that take hours-and-hours to fix. On the server, linux saves me lots of time, whereas windows server wastes it.

I started with gentoo, but that was maybe 7 years ago. I've used redhat, ubuntu, debian, suse, and many more; I just think gentoo's community best highlights what you'll find thinly veiled everywhere else. Free support is bound to suck, you're best of reading the docs.

To be fair, I really don't like any operating system on my desktop. They're all a usability fail in major ways. I just think XP works with least hassle, and if it breaks, I can format and freshinstall with all my prefs and programs back in under ~3hrs.

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