Local News Reports on Shady Bizopp Advertisers - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

machinecontrol · 07-03-2009, 04:20 PM

If you're wondering why the FTC is going after bizopp advertisers, it's probably shit like this. Basically, not only does the advertiser rebill the customer, they use their credit card info to sign them up for other, unrelated rebills. I'm all for rebills, but burying signups for multiple other CPA offers in the fine print is going a bit too far, I think.

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Danc1122 · 07-03-2009, 04:27 PM

LOL at the fake news site....

sgtryan · 07-03-2009, 04:45 PM

what a dumb bitch. and she's involved in marketing?

arcarc · 07-03-2009, 04:48 PM

HAHA. fake news site on there is HI-larious.

mihnea007 · 07-03-2009, 04:48 PM

Time to go back to my day job selling shoes again... right?

mediasup · 07-03-2009, 04:51 PM

The CPA Rebill death march

Sohan · 07-03-2009, 04:55 PM

Dumb bitch

arcarc · 07-03-2009, 04:56 PM

anyone catch the part where they said the fake news layout is deceptive...deceptive enough that TX and UT attorney general is taking action against the company...the company or the affiliate who created it.

mihnea007 · 07-03-2009, 05:44 PM

Operation Short Change - Google News

Garrett · 07-03-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtryan

what a dumb bitch. and she's involved in marketing?

Hahaha... so true.

But this reminds me exactly why I hate alot of CPA. Talk about the shadiest fucking advertisers ever. They don't even give you a piece of that rebill and they can't even keep the customers happy. They suck that much ass.

oksk89 · 07-03-2009, 05:56 PM

I lol'd cuz I actually saw that same exact fake news site when researching competitors. hahahahahaha

Garrett · 07-03-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oksk89

I lol'd cuz I actually saw that same exact fake news site when researching competitors. hahahahahaha

Hahaha me too.

rawbones · 07-03-2009, 06:29 PM

yah I have seen that site a bunch of times....Lot of people using it.

samii · 07-03-2009, 07:26 PM

arghhhh!!!!! WTF!?!?

Bofu2U · 07-03-2009, 10:11 PM

Coming Soon: Lawsuit with Columbia House - OH WAIT.

schockergd · 07-04-2009, 10:06 AM

But here's a questions guys - Would you take a payout cut to promote a non-shady , 100% whitehat offer?

Medici · 07-04-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by schockergd

But here's a questions guys - Would you take a payout cut to promote a non-shady , 100% whitehat offer?

depends on the cut . i could give a shit about the payout amount, it's the EPC that counts. whitehat would lead to less bullshit though so that's a massive plus.

tjdaz · 07-04-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

Hahaha me too.

Yep, me too.

mediaaff · 07-04-2009, 10:24 AM

Now I m thinking of creating Karen Dunn's Money Blog

Bofu2U · 07-04-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mediaaff

Now I m thinking of creating Karen Dunn's Money Blog

At least I wasn't alone.

crestind · 07-04-2009, 10:13 PM

Miami Gazette must have been pushing a ton of volume; 500k results for miami gazette news...
"I was supposed to be making money, and now I'm losing money."

johu · 07-04-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schockergd

But here's a questions guys - Would you take a payout cut to promote a non-shady , 100% whitehat offer?

It all depends on longevity of the offer. If being less shady keeps the offer alive on Google, keeps the merchants going for longer, and making me more money in the long run, it could be worth it. For instance, Google money offers offered a quick buck, but people are getting their adwords accounts banned for it - If a non-Google offer converted similarly, but paid less, those same affiliates would be better off in the long run with those than with Google. Of course, it all depends on EPC.

machinecontrol · 07-05-2009, 12:09 AM

The things is, a non shady offer that says "We will bill you $90 a month" in giant font on the order page will have extremely low conversions and EPC.

Unfortunately, the only way for us to get those $X.XX EPCs we like so much is to stick with shady offers.

Garrett · 07-05-2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by machinecontrol

The things is, a non shady offer that says "We will bill you $90 a month" in giant font on the order page will have extremely low conversions and EPC.

Unfortunately, the only way for us to get those $X.XX EPCs we like so much is to stick with shady offers.

EPC is not nearly as sexy as TOTAL PROFIT. If you could promote a legit offer and get recurring commissions (or better yet, your own continuity), you would make way more money.

Those shady advertisers don't give you any recurring monies though. They really should because EVERY affiliate would be promoting that one.

AdHustler · 07-05-2009, 07:26 AM

This LP is EVERYWHERE

machinecontrol · 07-05-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

EPC is not nearly as sexy as TOTAL PROFIT. If you could promote a legit offer and get recurring commissions (or better yet, your own continuity), you would make way more money.

Those shady advertisers don't give you any recurring monies though. They really should because EVERY affiliate would be promoting that one.

Recurring comissions simply don't work, that's been proven with ringtones, etc.
Current rebill CPA is paid with an understanding of net present value. No affiliate has the patience to be losing money on a PPC campaign for two months waiting for their recurring rebill monies to come in.

07-03-2009, 04:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
machinecontrol юзверь Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 943 iTrader: 3 / 100%	Local News Reports on Shady Bizopp Advertisers If you're wondering why the FTC is going after bizopp advertisers, it's probably shit like this. Basically, not only does the advertiser rebill the customer, they use their credit card info to sign them up for other, unrelated rebills. I'm all for rebills, but burying signups for multiple other CPA offers in the fine print is going a bit too far, I think. VIDEO: Treasure Chest of online trouble \| Video \| 6abc.com Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I'm giving away insanely profitable campaigns for $1

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07-03-2009, 04:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
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07-03-2009, 04:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
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07-03-2009, 04:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
arcarc Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 / 0%	anyone catch the part where they said the fake news layout is deceptive...deceptive enough that TX and UT attorney general is taking action against the company...the company or the affiliate who created it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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07-03-2009, 05:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
oksk89 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 239 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I lol'd cuz I actually saw that same exact fake news site when researching competitors. hahahahahaha Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

07-03-2009, 06:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
rawbones Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 785 iTrader: 1 / 100%	yah I have seen that site a bunch of times....Lot of people using it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ iztoogoodtobetrubro

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07-03-2009, 10:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
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07-04-2009, 10:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
schockergd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Circleville Ohio Posts: 1,536 iTrader: 12 / 100%	But here's a questions guys - Would you take a payout cut to promote a non-shady , 100% whitehat offer? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Shut up and make some money already. PM Me if you want a discounted PPC-Coach Subscription.

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mediaaff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 217 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Now I m thinking of creating Karen Dunn's Money Blog Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

07-04-2009, 10:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
crestind Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 56 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Miami Gazette must have been pushing a ton of volume; 500k results for miami gazette news... "I was supposed to be making money, and now I'm losing money." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

07-05-2009, 12:09 AM	#23 (permalink)
machinecontrol юзверь Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 943 iTrader: 3 / 100%	The things is, a non shady offer that says "We will bill you $90 a month" in giant font on the order page will have extremely low conversions and EPC. Unfortunately, the only way for us to get those $X.XX EPCs we like so much is to stick with shady offers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I'm giving away insanely profitable campaigns for $1

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