So I Just Got A Call From Convert 2 Media... - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

Drew Iza · 07-21-2009, 02:14 PM

The interesting thing about it is they call my phone asking "Who am I speaking with?" Now normally that wouldn't be a problem if that was the follow up from "Hi I'm such and such from Convert2Media." So like any normal person answering a call from an unknown number I say "Who is this?" This continues back and forth a few times and eventually they say "I guess I'm talking to nobody, this is ___ from Convert2Media by the way" *click*

Guess that's one network down the drain. I've talked to Ruck a few times some years back, cool guy. But that wasn't really professional. Anyway that is all.

Webwonder · 07-21-2009, 02:16 PM

It's your loss.

Ruck · 07-21-2009, 02:31 PM

That was me that called you. And yea, apologies it's a simple fraud prevention trick. Nobody is special, we call everyone the same way. The very fact I said I was from Convert2Media is a tactic designed to let you know that it was C2M that was calling in case you change your mind and call us back.

If the phone call bothered you that much, you just took a load off my mind. So thanks.
No hard feelings, we do things a certain way. People dont like it, we dont bother.

Unarmed Gunman · 07-21-2009, 02:37 PM

Definitely call them back and get plugged in. Realize they have a shitload of fraudulent people trying to get in, so they have to do what they have to do to keep them out.

It's like airport security - you may not like it, but if you wanna fly you need to go through the shit.

kaveman · 07-21-2009, 02:40 PM

Fraud is freakin rampant in Affiliate Marketing right now.

Just cause someone knows what they're talking about when you ask them questions about AM isnt even safe anymore because these fraud rings are hiring leggitimate people to make accounts for them.

The only way to catch them is to try and get them to backstep and screw up some of the information your trying to check on. I think thats a great fraud prevention getting the persons name first incase they are one of these people signing up for multiple accounts at multiple networks

gunna have to use that one haha

thunderlips · 07-21-2009, 02:53 PM

pwned!

narsticle · 07-21-2009, 03:01 PM

I love it. Ruck's the man. It's like 007 up in here.

Rajuthan · 07-21-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Webwonder

It's your loss.

word +1

andyt · 07-21-2009, 03:06 PM

If it was a verification call, I'd call them back and try again. Maybe I'm weird but I have no problem identifying myself on the phone before the other person does, even to someone calling a wrong number.

anticoder · 07-21-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by andyt

If it was a verification call, I'd call them back and try again. Maybe I'm weird but I have no problem identifying myself on the phone before the other person does, even to someone calling a wrong number.

In this situation, knowing who's calling i'd not have a problem. Just watch out for those scammers trying to call, asking your name etc to get your details.

redmonkey · 07-21-2009, 03:13 PM

Damn, James Bonds in real life.

Midas Touch · 07-21-2009, 03:20 PM

Call Initiator: "Who am I speaking with?"

Respondent: "Who wants to know?"

Call Initiator: "Who am I speaking with?"

Respondent: "My time has value, you need to identify yourself so that "I" can determine whether to invest anymore of my time into continuing this conversation."

Call Initiator: .................................................. .....

I get TONS of the "Unidentified Caller" calls that want to "Chat me Up" before getting to "their" agenda. I do NOT have time for that kind of crap nor am I willing to tolerate such open ended interruptions.

I've been in sales too long to play this amateur game.

I have now patented the above into my telephone etiquette.

Ruck, I can appreciate your position and screening tactics with fraud being what it is nowadays, but like the OP here, you would have had even less cooperation from me with a call like that.

I'm sure that your AM program is a first rate operation and I cast no disparaging remarks your way. I'm just saying that the OP is not alone out here when it comes to wanting to know who has "Interrupted Us."

An unplanned phone call is an interruption to the recipient no matter who is calling. If the interruption is not deemed justified to the recipient, it WILL end and leave less than positive thoughts in the recipient's mind.

S M W · 07-21-2009, 03:26 PM

that's funny, i would have replied the same way. you called me, you should know who you're calling!

Ruck · 07-21-2009, 03:28 PM

And that's why I identified as being from C2M at the end. So with all bullshitting aside if someone was serious about possibly working with us, all they had to do is call back.

So after being interrupted and then realizing who it was, instead of calling back to at the VERY LEAST bitch at me, they went and posted in a forum.

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If the interruption is not deemed justified to the recipient, it WILL end and leave less than positive thoughts in the recipient's mind.

Good. Less time wasted in my opinion.

NickRac · 07-21-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew Iza

The interesting thing about it is they call my phone asking "Who am I speaking with?" Now normally that wouldn't be a problem if that was the follow up from "Hi I'm such and such from Convert2Media." So like any normal person answering a call from an unknown number I say "Who is this?" This continues back and forth a few times and eventually they say "I guess I'm talking to nobody, this is ___ from Convert2Media by the way" *click*

Guess that's one network down the drain. I've talked to Ruck a few times some years back, cool guy. But that wasn't really professional. Anyway that is all.

Good move - I mean besides help you make a shit ton of money with their great campaigns, helpful forums and amazing blog posts/training - C2M is "a network down the drain".

But hey - all that stuff I just listed isn't that great - right?

Danc1122 · 07-21-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Webwonder

It's your loss.

Agreed.

Midas Touch · 07-21-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by S M W

that's funny, i would have replied the same way. you called me, you should know who you're calling!

You have to keep in mind that something as simple as a Doctor's Office call to give a verbal result for some medical test can ONLY be given to the person who the test was done for. This means that the caller MUST identify who they are talking to first.

HIPAA laws have made it to where now in my area, you have to go back IN PERSON to get your test results. They won't call you with them anymore.

Drew Iza · 07-21-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruck

And that's why I identified as being from C2M at the end. So with all bullshitting aside if someone was serious about possibly working with us, all they had to do is call back.

So after being interrupted and then realizing who it was, instead of calling back to at the VERY LEAST bitch at me, they went and posted in a forum.

Good. Less time wasted in my opinion.

Well Ruck I'm willing to toss it up as a miscommunication. I'm always willing to do business and its not my style to argue or even try to disrespect anyone on a forum. If you can step in my shoes for one moment you should realize that I run a business just like you and that like anyone else I get solicited everyday from unidentified callers. Just like I can now see where you are coming from with the fraud verification. If you found this post disrespectful, it wasn't meant that way. I thought the phone call was disrespectful which is why I didn't hurry to call back. Now that I know the reasoning for what happened I'm willing to put it aside. So let me know. I have no ego when it comes to money.

Ruck · 07-21-2009, 03:50 PM

Just for the record I was sorta replying to two posts earlier. I understand what you are saying Midas completely. What you may or may not know is I have bounties of $250-$500 per approved account with C2M that I am dealing with. Quite honestly, we do the best we can, with what we have. We have more people trying to get in and working negative then we do positive and that goes for almost all cpa networks.

Midas Touch · 07-21-2009, 03:50 PM

I do agree with the majority of the posters in this thread, Drew Iza is missing out on a GREAT opportunity here and Ruck may be losing out on a PRODUCING affiliate due to this "Misunderstanding".

Had Drew just called Ruck back, I'm sure Ruck would have explained the first call and then Drew should have understood his position and then they could have moved forward together with this LITTLE thing behind them.

Unfortunately, Drew seems to have dismissed C2M even after he found out who was calling him.

Since Ruck DID disclose who was calling before hanging up, Drew really should have called back to investigate further before making any decision.

Hopefully after all this laundry airing, Ruck will get a few more affiliates. (Who will now understand his screening process a little better.)

It's just too bad that Drew has now pissed Ruck off by posting this here.

Ruck · 07-21-2009, 03:52 PM

I got no ego either bud when it comes to doing business so it was always just a miscommunication and I would imagine we will laugh about it later. I'll give a ring in a bit and you can toss some obscenities at me and then we will get down to business.

Ahh, not too pissed. I try to not get worked up over these things anymore. A little pfft, no biggie. Looks like everyone is communicating now, so we will have it all sorted shortly.

WhatupG · 07-21-2009, 03:58 PM

I would have flunked the test myself.

People who call me and want to know who they called,
then refuse to identify themselves, get hung up on.

Jizzlobber · 07-21-2009, 03:59 PM

What the fuck? Answer the phone with your name - "This is Joe Blow". If you're too paranoid to do it this way to begin with then you're probably up to no good anyways. Once you've established that there's perhaps a douchebag on the other end, then hang up or kindly tell them to wait while you finish jerking off.

bprimeelite · 07-21-2009, 04:00 PM

I think both are at fault to some degree. Ruck I think you guys should do different ways of verifying as I don't think I would tell someone my full name before knowing who it was because fraud is going both ways throughout the world. Also to Drew I don't think there is a real point in posting stuff on message boards unless its something like someone stealing money etc to help others out because anything more ends up making this place a glorified DP or Warrior forum. Case closed.

Midas Touch · 07-21-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruck

Just for the record I was sorta replying to two posts earlier. I understand what you are saying Midas completely. What you may or may not know is I have bounties of $250-$500 per approved account with C2M that I am dealing with. Quite honestly, we do the best we can, with what we have. We have more people trying to get in and working negative then we do positive and that goes for almost all cpa networks.

Both you and Drew posted up before I saw them while I was last posting.

It seems that Drew has now had time think it over a little more. (Remember this for future reference Drew.)

No, I did not know of your bounties. Ruck, I can feel your pain. I never said that I disagree with your method, heck in your situation it's about all you have right now.

Though this "thread" was not the proper way for Drew to handle this, which he himself is realizing going by his last post, you just might have given a little "Humanism" to yourself with your EXCELLENT responses here. This can go a LONG WAY with those that may have not known of you before.

I wish you well and may you prosper in ALL of your endeavors.

freakin · 07-21-2009, 04:07 PM

Seems pretty trivial to even bring it up on the forum.

barman · 07-21-2009, 04:18 PM

Ruck's never called me. :: sad face ::

Ruck · 07-21-2009, 04:27 PM

You were kind of a shoe in dude.

Dont know how.

barman · 07-21-2009, 04:36 PM

Are we still on for a candlelight dinner?

Bofu2U · 07-21-2009, 04:39 PM

Ruck's cheating on me with barman? *cries*

Drew Iza · 07-21-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruck

I got no ego either bud when it comes to doing business so it was always just a miscommunication and I would imagine we will laugh about it later. I'll give a ring in a bit and you can toss some obscenities at me and then we will get down to business.

Ahh, not too pissed. I try to not get worked up over these things anymore. A little pfft, no biggie. Looks like everyone is communicating now, so we will have it all sorted shortly.

Good deal... Glad that the situation was handled. I look forward to doing business with you.

Midas Touch · 07-21-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew Iza

Good deal... Glad that the situation was handled. I look forward to doing business with you.

OK Guys, gather around the fire: