popeye

oops! guess daily kos, huff post, MSNBC and all the rest of the idiots will have to drop that lefty talking point.

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Bofu2U

I am so fucking confused.

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LogicFlux

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aeisn

This is why we can't have nice things.

JohnCJackson

I am pretty sure most gun control advocates hate black people too. Hell many of our gun laws were inspired by Hitler and the gun control movement had a lot to do with disarming blacks so they couldn't defend themselves.

Somehow I doubt popeye is as supportive of gun rights for blacks as I am though.

popeye

Yea, I am a racist. Fuck you.

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Lucidity

Wait, I thought the blacks always had the gats and the caps. Isn't that why we've been afraid of them for the past 2 decades?

lanwar

Sure there are black conservatives, but any time you see a picture of a conservative "rally", you have to play a game of where is waldo to find him.

Rusky

^^^
Finding a normal person at a lib rally is kind of hard to. Mostly pot smoking, pony tail wearing, think they know it all loud mouth assholes representing either a union or acorn.

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ck256

Watching people jab at each other over ideological differences rather than getting ass-raped by the wealthy is starting to become disappointing. This country is being sold out while we bicker over the distraction du jour.

Rusky

Now you are being racist towards wealthy people.

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LogicFlux

And unions are bad why?

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jdomaha

If more blacks would legitimately buy and maintain firearms, organize and put their foot down about a few issues within their own community - we'd see their quality of life increase dramatically in short order. The problem is that putting their foot down includes excising problematic elements of their own kind.

Night of the Long Knives kind of stuff.

lanwar

Anyone who attends a rally is a certified nutjob. Doesn't matter if you are on the left or the right. Regular people are too busy with their lives to waste an afternoon marching. When has a rally changed anything anyways?

jenzkc

violence is the answer. i'd love to smash a banker.

turbolapp

Rusky

^^^
Dont blame the bankers. You'd be doing the same thing, if government was trading shit for golden nuggets.
Remember fannie mae.

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popeye

They are outdated. They stifle competition, force workers to join against their will, force unreasonable cost on business. Take a look at the car companies and you will see what unions do. Take a peek at the stats on states with right to work vs states that are unionized. Now notice which ones have 15% unemployment. Unions are to blame for this..well that and most are ran by democrats.

Sure they were needed in 1905 to stop child labor, unreasonable pay and working conditions but it isn't 1905 any longer.

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popeye

How can Internet marketers hate the bankers and rich but yet push rebills on the unsuspecting public and be fine with it. This is a crack dealers mentality.

I don't understand.

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Hi.






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Moxie

No results found for "gun owners hate black"
Results 1 - 10 of about 854 for "gun toting racist"
Results 1 - 10 of about 18,900 for "gun owners are racist"

Results 1 - 10 of about 155,000 for "obama is not an american"
Results 1 - 10 of about 332,000 for "obama is a muslim"

LogicFlux

A union is simply a banding together of workers with the intent of getting a better deal at the bargaining table. IMO, to be against unions is to be against the free market. The rivalry between producers and laborers is age old and will probably not be reconciled anytime soon. So why not let them fight it out?

I know union people can get pretty aggressive, but just because some of their tactics are not good does not mean that unions are inherently bad.

I've worked in factories, my parents worked in factories all their lives, the parents of the kids I went to school with mostly worked in factories. If you knew anything about factory culture you'd know how shitty factory workers will often be treated without a union, the decade doesn't really matter.

You can't use one or two instances where a union may have amassed too much power and use them as an example of why all unions are bad.
Without unions the producers will always wield all the power and exploit it at the expense of the worker. But that's ok?


Which states are they? How does it correlate with the states who are big in manufacturing and have had many of their jobs shipped to mexico and china?

Things have gotten better, probably for two reasons: 1) government regulation 2) people banding together and demanding better conditions

So which is better? More regulation or the existence of unions? Should they both be done away with?

As long as unions aren't forcing people to join(and I'm not saying it doesn't happen), unions really are the market solution in the ongoing war between producers/owners and laborers.

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papajohn56

Unions do good things, but Management also has the job to not allow them to overstep their bounds. I'm not anti-union, I'm anti-unions getting too much power. Obama wants to eliminate the secret ballot to join unions - now THAT is un-American and allows people to be intimidated and forced into joining a union.

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Louisiana Gun

LogicFlux

I don't know much about that bill, even if it was passed or not. I've heard people talking about it on the news networks which means the little info I have about it is biased one way or the other. If what you say is true, then it's definitely wrong.
Popeye and other conservatives blanket hatred of unions is still retarded though. They should spend a few weeks or months working in an ununionized factory; they might rethink their notion of elitism.

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popeye

My state is right to work, so I have never worked at a union job. I did work in a non union poly film factory for a few summers while in college. I was paid excellent for a summer job and everything was great.

I guess workers in right to work states are just used to working in an environment where they know who the boss is and lazy fucks, whiners and general Dbags can be fired where they stand.

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evo190

Doctors hate you even MOAR:

Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000.

Accidental deaths per physician: 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Number of gun owners in the US: 80,000,000.

Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups): 1,500.

Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

LazyHippy

Please tell me that's not just in the US...

Any stats showing correlation to IQ of the gun owner?

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powell1

Unions are great if you are a fucking lazy bastard. You can be worthless and it's a pain for the company to fire you. You also get someone to negotiate raises for you that you don't deserve. If you are a hard worker, you get lumped in with the lazy assholes and they'll keep you from getting paid what you are worth. From each according to his ability to each according to his need... haha. Fuck unions.

Oh wait, I'm a lazy fucker.... yahoo for unions!

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turbolapp

Rusky

^^^
HA HA HA HA HA both pics.

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evo190

RIP piano cat...

turbolapp

I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gerMAN

the thread should have ended here.

Rusky

Go back to Germania.

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thunderlips

Popeye, as a lib who mostly disagrees with your leanings (at least socially) i ask myself that question quite often.

LotsOfZeros

Honestly not intending to sound inflammatory here, I'm just very curious why anyone would openly admit or label themselves as a liberal. If you apply your views to the quote below, it actually might make you think twice before proclaiming "I'm a Lib":

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
~ Norman Thomas

Once again, not to stoke the flames of debate, I'm truly just very curious.

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turbolapp

DAMNIT Lots you roped me in.

I'm very proud to be liberal, at least socially liberal. Financially, I don't consider myself a liberal at all.

...And one would ask the same question right back at ya.

thunderlips

While i am a lib socially, i dont fancy myself one fiscally.

People should be able to marry and f whomever they want, Just like they should be able to make money the way they want

LotsOfZeros

So you're both really Libertarians - Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative.
I can respect that.

I'm for personal freedom and liberty. I hate it when political retards try to tell us what to do under the guise of protecting me from myself.

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LotsOfZeros

I'm assuming you're asking me why I would openly admit I'm conservative?
Fiscally, yes but don't start telling me I can't go out and get drunk tonight because I'll 'burn in hell' for it. I don't view real conservatives as most of you do. I for one believe there are stark differences between Republicans and Conservatives.

I may have registered as a Republican and voted as such in the past but I'm most definitely a Conservative.

I feel the best way to run this country is for a very limited government presence. Government is really only efficient in national defense of the public - everything else, for the most part, are better served by private industry.

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Moxie

Most people probably just want to stick to the dictionary definitions. There's quotes equating conservatism with fascism, also.

"The more there are riots, the more repressive action will take place, and the more we face the danger of a right-wing takeover and eventually a fascist society." - Martin Luther King, Jr

"The biggest threat to America today is not communism. It`s the turning of this country into a fascist theocracy and everything that`s happened during the Reagan administration has put us right down that pipe." - Frank Zappa

LogicFlux

Wow, I didn't know the south actually produced anything but xenophobic hatred, future Nashville Star tv show contestants and christian babies born out of wedlock.

And a few summers in one factory certainly makes you an authority on the subject. A few summers at one factory is plenty enough experience to be able to throw your support behind a fox news douche's anti-union rantings.

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LotsOfZeros

Now you're starting to sound like a hypocrite.

I agreed with you here:
And you deflated your position here:
Don't allow the emotions stirring within you regarding your factory worker family to dissuade your ideals.

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LogicFlux

I'm not a hypocrite I just felt like being an asshole and popeye makes it easy. Besides thinking most american tards are concentrated in the south is not elitiest. Most of them are willfully ignorant. You don't need an ivy league education and a five dollar latte in your hand to think for yourself.

Now of course libs like riddar are also not too capable of indepedent thought. And they are the ones generally who are responsible for trying to constrain the speech and thought of the rest of us(you can't even use the word nigger in satire anymore). Carlin did a great bit on this. But at least the lib group-think isn't stagnate and stuck in the 1800s.

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Grindstone

THIS

Although I'm conflicted on the highway issue. Gubbmint needs them, private industry needs them, tourons getting rebilled need them, citizens driving to work need them, who and how should we pay for them is the only issue I have with my "smaller govmnt is better" position.

popeye

I don't believe in unions because the facts show that they just don't work. Why would anyone stand for something that every stat and fact states that it doesn't work.

When you say "south" are you talking "true" south or are you just speaking of all states between both coast. I do find that many liberal elitist really are ignorant of what the "south" really is.

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therookie

I think being pro-union or against them has a lot to do with your situation and upbringing. Of course someone who comes from a family of factory workers is more then likely going to be pro-union especially if their plant was union and they saw higher pay, better health benefits, more vacation days, etc.

My pops works for a company who has a factory. He is the "bad guy" in the company because he has to negotiate every single year new terms to the contracts. He is, of course, against a union. After having talks with him about it I am swayed to come to the same conclusion he has. I have also worked in a couple factories. Even though one was just summer job during college in a feed mill I worked for 3 years in another one. I think this is enough to "know how things are in a factory". The company I worked for for 3 years wasn't the most employee friendly place and had a lot of turnover like any factory. The pay was pretty good compared to other jobs in town, but I would have never once considered voting for a union given the chance. For one, I didn't plan on being there the rest of my life so I didn't care much and I was happy with the pay I was getting.

Back to my dad...

The town he lives in is a little over 20,000 people. Jobs in towns like that usually start at about 7-8 dollars an hour if you are lucky. A good paying job would be around 10 dollars. Guess what the lowest paying factory worker makes there? They make around 17 dollars an hour with really awesome health benefits and a ton of vacation/paid time off. Now, I am not against people making good money. But, when any other job would pay about half that I think it is complete bullshit. It ends up hurting the company in the long run. They are struggling now just like many companies are. I can tell you that one of those reasons they are struggling is how much they payout to the union factory workers. So, who gets cut when they need to do layoffs? All the executive assistants got axed, including my dad's, who had been there like 40+ years. The management is easier to layoff then a union factory worker.

I am all for people getting what they are worth, but unions make it way to easy for workers to get more then they deserve and make it hard as hell to get rid of the slackers.

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LotsOfZeros

QFT - there's seriously something wrong with the equation when the very entity negotiating for 'workers rights' (UAW) end up owning the company (General Motors) they negotiated with. Talk about a lopsided deal.

And for the record: my father-in-law is a lifelong retired UAW former GM employee, and I STILL have this view! (yeah, we duke it out sometimes).

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