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Old 09-30-2009, 01:00 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I'm a gamer, a developer, a writer, and a gamer. Aside from iPhone development with emulator, there is no functionality I can't get in Windows. Every app I want to run, I can run it.

All the games, all the development stuff, all the design stuff. If I wanted to emulate any OSX functionality, there's a Windows app that'll do it. I can even make Windows look almost exactly like OSX if I wanted.

Mac fans talk about compatibility and viruses and crashes. That stuff is all related to the biggest difference between Mac OSs and Windows OSs: hardware lock-in vs. generic third party manufacturer devices and drivers.

Macs are beautiful. The OS is great. Windows by default is ugly and clunky. I prefer access to the majority of software vs. the minority. I prefer functionality over form. But, I've customized my theme to make it pleasing to me, so I get good looks too, so it's a win-win for me.
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If I wanted to emulate any OSX functionality, there's a Windows app that'll do it. I can even make Windows look almost exactly like OSX if I wanted.
For years I've tried themeing engines, windows managers/skinners, hacks, mods etc. I've found them to simply slow shit down and often crash.

On the windows side... I simply use Windows XP SP3, I have optimize for best performance on, which makes windows look like the classic 2000 pro, and I prefer it that way, everything else is pretty much bull shit and eye candy. And my desktop background is a Neutral 18% grey.

On OSX, I got animations turned off, I Got my dock in 2D mode instead of 10.5/10.6 usual 3d mode, and a number of other things I'd consider a waste of time. Its more under the hood for me.

But you know what... it boils down to one very simple thing: Personal Preference. It would be exactly like me telling someone they're stupid for buying a Pentax camera instead of a Canon, apparently everyone is so damn defensive about their purchase because they honestly believe there's only really one right choice and hate being told they wasted their money on the wrong choice when that is simply not the case.
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But you know what... it boils down to one very simple thing: Personal Preference.
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As for me...i prefer mac...it's quite surprising that such a high percentage of users on here are mac users when mac only makes up 5% of the computer market.
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As for me...i prefer mac...it's quite surprising that such a high percentage of users on here are mac users when mac only makes up 5% of the computer market.
I would say in this type of market and this group in particular you're going to have a high diversity to not just OSX and Windows, but flavors of *nix too, where as if you look at DP, they would more closely represent your usual mainstream public in terms of diversity. I guess creative minds tend to explore more options for their work platform.
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I've never found the extra eye-candy on windows to slow down my system. On vista, the so called eye-candy is automatically disabled whenever you maximize a window, so the apparent performance issues never really become one.
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Just to add to my comment about recently moving to a Mac from a windows-rage: I was running a fully customised, scratch built, OC'd, Windows Vista 64bit rig. Spec-wise it was pretty impressive and I'm not a noob when it comes to these things, I can always figure how to fix my computer eventually.

What finally got to me though was the hassle of running it and fixing it when something went wrong. The weekend I switched, something fucked up and I couldn't even boot the thing from the Vista DVD. In terms of time, stress and lost opportunity (as I was a critical juncture in a project) it was going to cost me more to fix than buying a new computer, be it Mac, PC or Linux box.

I don't even care that I've just bought an iMac when they're about to release the latest model, as it's already paid for itself.
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I use a mac for one simple reason: reliable.

If I am working I want to work, not having to update drivers, install software fixes, remove viruses, BSOD, etc, etc....
on the PC, half the time is spent fixing shit..on the MAC you spend the time actually getting shit done.

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Guise...Mac is short for Macintosh, it is not an Acronym...Stop saying MAC.
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Generally speaking, the average Mac User is white, upper middle class, suburban, walks around with a moleskin notebook with his ipod, whilst drinking his Starbucks Latte.

In short, a consumer sheep.
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In short, a consumer sheep.
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I use a mac for one simple reason: reliable.

If I am working I want to work, not having to update drivers, install software fixes, remove viruses, BSOD, etc, etc....
on the PC, half the time is spent fixing shit..on the MAC you spend the time actually getting shit done.

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Weird, I don't even use anti-virus and I'm fine...I hear those horse porn sites are fucking vicious...
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btw... very NOTICEABLE difference in speed after the snow leopard upgrade. From huge directories loading instantly to even just the time it takes to startup/shutdown.. more than worth the $29 bones for the upgrade...
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Talking 250$ just for the dongle.
Unless I misread, the Leopard OS comes with the Dongle, so that offsets the price some. (A whopping $30. LOL)

I still think that you'd be money ahead with that method and have more options with your box than to get the whole package from say the Apple Store.
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Unless I misread, the Leopard OS comes with the Dongle, so that offsets the price some. (A whopping $30. LOL)

I still think that you'd be money ahead with that method and have more options with your box than to get the whole package from say the Apple Store.
Well 130$, since the 29$ price only applied to owners of 10.5 leopard between 2007 and 2009. I didn't read that it came with leopard on the dongle at all, rather that it was an EFI emulator, also they wouldn't be able to legally distribute leopard in the US.

Edit: http://www.expresshd.com/p136/EFiX-U...l1ae0ql49jlbj4

yea it doesn't come with an OS, it emulates the EFI firmware, thus allowing you to install straight from an original OS disk without having to hack it up for an EFI->Bios loader (and looks like you can use it to load drivers that isnt normally supported by apple). Also it only supports OSX to 10.5.8, so Snow Leopard (10.6.*) compatibility is not yet available. Each OS must have it's own disk as EFIx cannot read partitions.
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Not true for me at all.

Some people have problems, but it is almost always either unsafe practices (browsing unsafe sites without proper precuations, clicking spam executables, other stupid shit) or dodgy hardware/drivers.

Windows has a lot of hardware/driver problems because it's an open system. Anyone can make the hardware (there are licensing fees and shit, but irrelevant) unlike Mac which is locked in. It's a lot safer and more reliable to use a Mac for that reason. Windows systems are a lot cheaper and more flexible or cutting edge performance and capability for the same reason. And yeah, sometimes there are incompatibilities which can show up as random crashes if you're unlucky.

I have to install updates like once a month. Windows downloads them in the background and I click yes and sometimes I have to reboot. I can't tell you the last time I crashed; it's been months, and it was the direct result of trying experimental software (warez). The last "random" crash? Much longer. Windows XP is remarkably stable for me; much more so than any other Windows OS I've used.

Virus outbreaks are a function of the popularity of the platforms, and the stupidity of the owners (wide open routers, etc.) Windows may be innately less secure, I don't know.. and I don't care that much. For me, the benefits outweigh the problems.

Windows works for me. I'm productive, I have very little downtime due to patching vulnerabilities. I have a lot more software to choose from. YMMV.
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Not true for me at all.

Some people have problems, but it is almost always either unsafe practices (browsing unsafe sites without proper precuations, clicking spam executables, other stupid shit) or dodgy hardware/drivers.

Windows has a lot of hardware/driver problems because it's an open system. Anyone can make the hardware (there are licensing fees and shit, but irrelevant) unlike Mac which is locked in. It's a lot safer and more reliable to use a Mac for that reason. Windows systems are a lot cheaper and more flexible or cutting edge performance and capability for the same reason. And yeah, sometimes there are incompatibilities which can show up as random crashes if you're unlucky.

I have to install updates like once a month. Windows downloads them in the background and I click yes and sometimes I have to reboot. I can't tell you the last time I crashed; it's been months, and it was the direct result of trying experimental software (warez). The last "random" crash? Much longer. Windows XP is remarkably stable for me; much more so than any other Windows OS I've used.

Virus outbreaks are a function of the popularity of the platforms, and the stupidity of the owners (wide open routers, etc.) Windows may be innately less secure, I don't know.. and I don't care that much. For me, the benefits outweigh the problems.

Windows works for me. I'm productive, I have very little downtime due to patching vulnerabilities. I have a lot more software to choose from. YMMV.
i have been using PCs since the 486 came out. I know how to fix ANYTHING and how to avoid getting virus/spyware, etc.... but the truth is they still crash...many many times. BSOD are a normal occurrence in VISTA and solving their cryptic language is a waste of time.

YOu are right about OSX being a closed operating system and that 's probably why it performs so well. Bottom line is I want to work and not repair computers.
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Well 130$, since the 29$ price only applied to owners of 10.5 leopard between 2007 and 2009. I didn't read that it came with leopard on the dongle at all, rather that it was an EFI emulator, also they wouldn't be able to legally distribute leopard in the US.

Edit: EFiX USB V1.1 Official EFiX Distributor/Reseller EXPRESSHD.COM

yea it doesn't come with an OS, it emulates the EFI firmware, thus allowing you to install straight from an original OS disk without having to hack it up for an EFI->Bios loader (and looks like you can use it to load drivers that isnt normally supported by apple). Also it only supports OSX to 10.5.8, so Snow Leopard (10.6.*) compatibility is not yet available. Each OS must have it's own disk as EFIx cannot read partitions.
Thanks for the info and taking the time post it up.

I will dive a little deeper into this myself now.

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Seriously? I still haven't ever seen one in Vista. I have seen a rare few in XP over multiple years.
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At this point Vista is actually pretty good, beats trying to use the 64 bit version of XP any day.

As far as the poll goes what ever happened to Linux, I do practically everything on Ubuntu now days.
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As far as the poll goes what ever happened to Linux, I do practically everything on Ubuntu now days.
Vista is cock shit. I was a windows only user since I was 8 (many moons ago). Last year, while working as an SEO for an seo firm, they bought me a Mac Book Pro... before they were all mac book pros...

After a week of using it I can't go back to windoze... When I need to use it though (rare linkspamming tools) i just boot it through VM Ware and it runs better than a PC could ever run windows.

While I was in my ASP.NET class, my install of Visual Studio ran better, faster, and more stable in a VIRTUAL window of windoze than it did on any other machine in the room (mostly XPS and other shit).

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Vista is cock shit. I was a windows only user since I was 8 (many moons ago). Last year, while working as an SEO for an seo firm, they bought me a Mac Book Pro... before they were all mac book pros...

After a week of using it I can't go back to windoze... When I need to use it though (rare linkspamming tools) i just boot it through VM Ware and it runs better than a PC could ever run windows.

While I was in my ASP.NET class, my install of Visual Studio ran better, faster, and more stable in a VIRTUAL window of windoze than it did on any other machine in the room (mostly XPS and other shit).

Fuck Windows. /thread
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MAC - Microsoft's Aftermarket Computers

Who wants to pay $1500 for a piece of shit. I can send anyone here a piece of shit with a nice MAC Logo on it for half price! This week only!
If you call with problems be prepared, our current wait time is 2 wks. But we appreciate your business and if we can help it will not answer.
you obviously haven't owned/worked with one.

I am nt a fan boy and they DO a lot of things wrong. But bottom line is I work more and faster on a Mac.
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