FerrisHilton

any jews want to chime in on this kosher business?

esomark

that's fucking disgusting.

In the name of religion? fuck off

sendlo

It is bullshit. We can digest red meat. It may rot in our colon for 3 days, but we can digest it.

But I agree with supersundas... humans do not need meat to survive. Eating meat is taking a life because you like the taste of it. And luckily everyone gets to make that choice for themselves.

esomark

I agree, and that's what pisses me off about the ban on fox hunting in the uk.

The main argument is that its wrong to hunt for fun, but we kill thousands of animals everyday for fun. We don't need meat, but we eat it because we enjoy it. To me there's no difference there.

LazyHippy

What a load of crap. There's a massive fucking difference between hunting or fishing just for sport and doing the same or farming for food.

I love wild fish and game and think we all should eat more of it (made a great venison stew yesterday...tasty!) The animal might have a less humane death than if it was farmed but it's life will have been a lot better and that is reflected in the taste of the meat. Compare wild to farmed duck for example, or salmon (although due to overfishing the ethics of continuing to eat them are questionable).

Hunting just for sport is despicable imo, why kill an animal if you aren't going to use it? We should use as much of the animal as possible too, not just for food. It saddens me that due the great work of PETA and others some Alaskan natives can no longer find buyers for the pelts from the seals they kill for food.

Killing animals for food is not just because we enjoy the taste. We may not need to eat meat but we are naturally omnivores and we do need the protein and nutrients meat provides. The reason most of desire meat and enjoy the taste is because our body knows that it is a great source of the stuff we need.

Having said that, I don't think the government should have banned fox hunting as banning anything is rarely a good solution. A better option would have been to prosecute where animal cruelty could be proved.

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Sticks79

I've worked in many abattoirs and I've never seen it done this way, it looks totally fuckin backwards to me, it's normally done by a bolt to the head to stun them, then they are hung upside down to have their throats slit.

Not only that, I can't see this particular eat being very tender, when cows are stressed they build up lactic acid which renders the meat tough, so yeah, even though this is a fucked up way of doing things I'd like to see how tender this meat is, I can't imagine it being real good.

This is a very cruel looking way of slaughtering cattle.

Fuckin backwards yankee fuckas, lol.

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esomark

I guess its just opinion but the way I see it is that killing a rabbit because one person will enjoy eating it is no better or worse than killing a fox because 100 people will enjoy catching it. Neither are necessary but both are enjoyed. Personally I don't see a problem with either activities.

EDIT: also this idea that the fox died for nothing is bullshit, the fox died so loads of people could have an exciting day out in the fresh air. The argument that animals hunted for food die for a reason is also valid, but only because they can provide enjoyment in the form of a tasty meal, nothing to do with preserving human life. If anything from a utilitarian point of view fox hunting is far superior.

supersundas

I think the reason much of America eats meat so much is because they are addicted to it. I quit eating meat after 16 years of eating it and I found it a bit uncomfortable. But only a real man can control his desires

In addition, I worked on a study regarding emotional hormones released by animals. Basically what we researched and learned was that if they brutally torture the animal like they did in this video, it becomes extremely upset and emotional. When ANY organism is emotional and has an endocrine system, they release basically negative hormones into their bloodstream. Just like humans when they are stressed, we release cortisol and a few other hormones into our bloodstream.....animals do too. When the animal is finally killed, the hormones have been released already all into the bloodstream and into the tissues....then its cut up, packed up, and served at your local grocery store........when you and your children eat it, the hormones affect you after prolonged consuming. There are a lot of more strong points in which it truly does real damage to a body, especially in this generation......things are going to look ugly for america's youth in 20-30 years....sure it tastes good but is it worth anxiety, depression, and losing ~10 years of your life?

LazyHippy

While I understand your argument, I think condoning the killing or inflicting pain on other animals purely for our own pleasure is a dangerous path to go down.

If you can justify fox hunting, then it's not hard to justify badger baiting, cock fighting or dog fighting. If society were to accept that it was ok to enjoy hurting animals then it's only a small step to condoning inflicting pain on humans for pleasure.

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Spendlessly

If your local grocer sold McDonalds Double Cheeseburgers, they would be called "Beef Flavored Food". There's about as much beef in one of those as there is in a chicken leg.

Netphase

McDonalds burger patties are 100% pure USDA inspected beef with no additives or fillers. They are supplied by Lopez Foods in Oklahoma.

LazyHippy

They may be technically 100% beef, but so much crap such as connective tissue is classed as meat, yet provides next to no nutritional value.

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Roddy

I'm a slaughter man. I don't know what happens in the states but over here the place would be shut down and the owner would be up in court if that's how they did it!

Anyone who thinks that video is the way it's done is an idiot!

Fatbat

That's bullshit. Watch the video I linked to earlier.

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LazyHippy

Just watched. Assume that's US only as here they state that it's 100% British & Irish beef. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they ship it halfway around the world to be processed then shipped back. Do you know if Lopez supply McDonald's in Spain?

Besides, I'm not saying that McDonald's don't use 100% beef just that (here anyway, poss. EU wide) "beef" can include elements that have no nutritional value. Nothing in that video indicates that these elements are removed prior to processing and it would seem logical that they would use as much of the animal as they can.

My problem with McDonald's isn't the food anyway, or even the McJobs and McObesity. It's the effect they have on small businesses and their reliance on and encouragement of intensive farming that are the bigger problems.

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papajohn56

not once have I seen a McDonalds coming to a town cause other restaurants to close.

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RuDeDoGg

Yeah I google'd the company and they do kosher slaughter, so this definitely isn't the standard process.

This attempt at marketing Veganism is pretty lame. The video title is "Cow Slaughter in the USA".. Anyone with half a brain will know something is up. I guess that's why retarded hip douchebags fall for this and become vegans? FAIL, GTFO plz

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LazyHippy

In my home town I remember McDonald's opening (I used to work there!) and it took loads of business away from the small independent cafe places. (No real competition with actual restaurants)

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papajohn56

The only thing McDonalds has done in my area is steal business away from starbucks with cheaper lattes/frapp things, etc. We have plenty of small cafes and the like.

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Fatbat

No, they probably just supply US chain outlets. There's probably a similar setup here or elsewhere in Europe supplying European chain restaurants.

It's not just 100% beef... it's 100% grade A beef from whole cuts. The standard is the same company wide around the world I'm sure. I can't find the EU version of their FAQs but the UK one states...

"For example McDonald's beef is from whole cuts of forequarter and flank beef, from British and Irish farms only."

Burgers - What's in the food? - McDonald's UK

I don't know what parts you might be talking about not having nutritional value. If you think they include ligaments and cartilage and other connective tissues you are mistaken. A ground gristle burger would not be very nice. The EU also has some pretty stringent controls on beef.

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supersundas

Umm.....Mcdonalds, BK, and a few other fast food all get their meat from the SAME slaughterhouses. Has anyone here heard of recycled meat?

Thats right.....when the Vet puts your puppy or cat down.....or cant save that pet of yours, their body is sent off to the slaughterhouses to be recycled as residual volume. It saves them money and allows them to mix in the extra meat and continue to call it "Beef." Theres enough research done on this. Its another reason I refuse to eat what America calls fast food....and meat.

Rendering Plants Recycling of Dead Animals and Slaughterhouse Wastes
The Dark Side of Recycling - Rendering Plants

This is real talk. Anyone ever wonder where all the dead animals go? In your SAMMWICH!!!!!!!!!!! So next time you take a bite out of that delicious big mac, consider that you are potentially eating a bite of skunk, rabbit, puppy, and then some cow. No matter what they will tell you, redering plans EXIST and nobody can refute that.

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Flyguy

This is a hard one for me because I like to eat beef occasionally. I think that these animals should be killed as humanely as possible, if that makes sense. When you look at animals in the wild, they really could care less how they kill their prey, as long as the prey gets killed. But as human beings, maybe we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.

pickledegg

I eat meat but it seems a little fucked up how they can't just kill the fuckers properly first. What was all that thrashing about bulshit? surely if they can invent some contraption to flip em over like that they can at least knock em out too?

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Jizzlobber

There should be a restaurant where you can pick out your beef to be slaughtered and witness the event from your own skybox table over cocktails. Meanwhile there could be big screen TV's located throughout the dining room playing videos of overly passionate PETA protesters being dragged off by police in riot gear. Could call it "Nugent's". LOL at Ted working the tables like some baller restuarant owner.

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Roddy

It's a religious thing. Some religions won't eat the meat unless the animal has completely bled out. Stunning the animal first messes with the heart beat so the blood isn't pumped out as well as if it's not stunned.

It's weird that with all the animal rights groups around that laws against animal cruelty that it's still allowed to be done this way!

Spendlessly

I don't know the specifics on the McDonalds beef patties. If you say they are 100% pure beef, I believe you and stand corrected, however; I also eat a LOT of beef, and I can tell you without a doubt that their beef patties taste nothing like the beef I'm used to. I guess it didn't cross my mind that beef from other places would taste way different compared to the Iowa cows I'm used to eating on.

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productionhead

Hitler was on methamphetamine.

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papajohn56

fuck me, first I've heard of this. Reading into it now

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JamesH

You sure it was meth? I always thought it was just amphetamine salts.

Fatbat

Holy crap dude. You might want to reread the article you linked to. Sensational at best. At worst this kind of material is used as feed, which admittedly isn't the best thing we could be doing (but also reread the article because this kind of material can't be fed to cows). It's certainly not being mixed into your burger meat. LoL... that might be one if the most retarded things I've read on this forum.

But think about THIS for a second... what if this same material is BEING USED AS PLANT FERTILIZER? I mean, chicken meal, bone meal, and other stuff like this is put into the soil all the time. The effluent from pig farms is sprayed onto farmlands where veggies are then grown. NM the whole genetically modified argument. Your tomato might be GMd with pig genes!

Plus there's growing evidence that plants are highly evolved and possibly intelligent entities that quickly adapt to their environments and might even feel pain when ripped violently from the soil or viciously sliced of at their stems by murderous Mexicans.

Think about that the next time you're enjoying your salad!

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Dwight Schrute

I found this:
Adolf Hitler and methamphetamine

Adolf Hitler's health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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