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Old 02-03-2010, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting Airport Body Scanners Revisited: Would You Comply?

Interesting development (to me, at least). Heathrow and Manchester have launched their body scanners...

Full body scanners introduced at Heathrow and Manchester airports as Lord Adonis seeks to allay privacy fears | Mail Online

That's not the interesting part, of course. The first part that got my attention is the repeal of the "don't scan the youngsters" rule. Wonder where that decision will go when future generations of the BSIs are launched.

The second part was that those who refuse to comply are being banned from flights. There's no... "dude, just pat me down really, really good and jam the wand in the corners" option. No full scan, no plane ride (if you're chosen).

For those of you who are against this sort of thing, would you comply to catch your flight? If your 13-year-old daughter is chosen, would that make you less open to the idea?





Keep in mind the folks choosing people for scanning aren't crack CIA agents with decades of experience in behavioral tendencies. This guy may actually be such an agent, but I'm guessing no...



So... would you comply?
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This.

But this has some ups and down. the hey we need to scan your 13 year old daughter.. i could see shit like this on the news in a few years, "Airport body scanner caught with 1,000's of images of underage children" but this might beef up airport security to a point of where it might be. Eh who the fuck knows.
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airport security in Gatwick was hilarious this january. They had another security set up before boarding the plane. Fucking long lines and delays bc 51% of people had to get their hand lugagge manually checked. This doesn't make any sense.

About those scanners.. well i personally dont give a shit if they need me to do that before boarding. BUT I'd not board the plane if they'd want to check my little sister in that crap and rather make a huge case about it in the press.

People need to man up and realize that we cannot live in a 100% secure society without giving up our privacy. I rather have a 0.01% risk of being blown up on a plane, train, wherever than just having my whole life protocolized (fucking UK). I'm sick of seeing constitutions being crippled because some dude tried to blow up some plane. In the 70's we would've rioted if some crappy politician would've wanted to do 5% of what they have implemented now.

We're giving up way too many rights so that politicians can say that they at least did something against it when the next plane blows up. Lets just be honest here: If someone wants to blow up a plane and if he's a smart dude, he'll ALWAYS find a way to do it.

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In next years news: Terrorists have now resorted to shooting heat-guided missiles at commercial airplanes. In order to combat this, the TSA is requiring all airplanes to be escorted by two military jets. This is expected to increase ticket costs by about 200%.
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Wait about 10 years and it will be revealed that the real purpose of the scanners was not to search for explosives or weapons, but to selectively sterilize part of the population.
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Well in a news article, they are saying that the 'flaw' in the scanner is that it cannot see inside a man or woman and that recently there is intelligence that terrorists are looking to insert bombs inside their bodies!

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Well in a news article, they are saying that the 'flaw' in the scanner is that it cannot see inside a man or woman and that recently there is intelligence that terrorists are looking to insert bombs inside their bodies!

problem creation -> reaction -> solution!
Dang. I was just about to suggest that if I were running a training cell in the Pashtun, I'd be telling my recruits to bend over. For the equipment. For the bomb stuff.
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lol see, thats another thing im talking about. if they want to bring your plane down, they will.
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Why are these scanners a problem for anyone in general and why is it a special problem for kids? The image is not erotic or pornographic in my opinion.. (?)

Also how are people supposed to bring marijuana along now?
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I'm a former DHS employee and I just want to say that if a person is chosen for additional screening from one of these machines it's with due cause. These machines are already serving their purpose by scaring the flying public and raising paranoia. Chances are if you think you're going to be scanned ahead of time, you wont be walking with anything artfully concealed.
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1. My balls are going to get sterilized from those machines

2. The old trick of sticking a bag of weed up your asshole in the airport doesn't work anymore

3. Fuck planes, I'll take a cruise ship.
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Good choice. Trains for anything in North America and ships for anything overseas. Hell, you can ride the Queen Mary 2 on a transatlantic trip in just 7 days, for less than $1k, with a nice room and Internet access. I've seen the trip as low as $350 during off-peak times.
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This doesn't bother me I hate flying, fuck if I'm getting on a plane.

Don't xrays make you serial? I thought that was why when you get xrayed in hospitals they get you to cover your balls.
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They just had an expert on a TV show here in Germany.

He was able to smuggle all parts needed to bring a plane down without the scanner even showing it.

Thing is, these scanners detect differences in heat given off from your body. That is why items will show up (normally their edges), because they have a different heat diffusion from the rest of your skin.

Doesn't work with anything you got in a cavity (so yeah, you can still bend over for that marihuana smuggling), and it didn't even work with items in a loose fitting pocket.

I guess plastic explosive rolled out very fine and sewn into loose fitting clothes won't show up either.

You are trading your privacy for lies and bullshit, not security.

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I personally have no objection to being 'scanned.' I really have nothing to hide so if some remote person sees what I look like under my clothing, why do I care?

Privacy, blah, blah, blah. If it's preventing someone from blowing up my flight, why not? I think I just value security a hell of a lot more than privacy. If they manually search my luggage, that's a huge inconvenience. But guess what, there's nothing in there that can get me in any type of trouble. In fact, whenever I'm packing my carry on, I make sure to throw in anything embarrassing I can think of to make it awkward. Why pack a a few condoms when you can pack a few boxes? etc.

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There's no question. It's El Al, Israel’s national airline.

What’s the safest airport? Ben Gurion, Israel’s international airport.

It's ironic, when you figure that Israeli aviation has been the single most desirable target for terrorists since the 1960s. Correspondent Bob Simon reports.

What do the Israelis do that the Americans don’t do? Well, they’ve had sky marshals since the 1960s. And racial profiling.

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Sure thing they can see my naughty bits if they want wtf do I care. Probably they don't want to see them anyway though

One day we're all going to have to fly naked after after a long wait while we ingest lots of laxatives.
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I personally have no objection to being 'scanned.' I really have nothing to hide so if some remote person sees what I look like under my clothing, why do I care?

Privacy, blah, blah, blah. If it's preventing someone from blowing up my flight, why not? I think I just value security a hell of a lot more than privacy. If they manually search my luggage, that's a huge inconvenience. But guess what, there's nothing in there that can get me in any type of trouble. In fact, whenever I'm packing my carry on, I make sure to throw in anything embarrassing I can think of to make it awkward. Why pack a a few condoms when you can pack a few boxes? etc.

Chillax.....

Even if we don't account for privacy and human rights. How about getting cancer

In order to generate the nude image of the human body, these machines emit terahertz photons -- high-frequency energy "particles" that can pass through clothing and body tissue.

The manufacturers of such machines claim they are perfectly safe and present no health risks, but a study conducted by Boian S. Alexandrov (and colleagues) at the
Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico showed that these terahertz waves could "...unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles in the double strand that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication."

Full-body scanners used on air passengers may damage human DNA

This is soft kill.
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Seriously though that's retarded - at least in Canada (they're in the process of bringing them in) you will be able to refuse and opt in for a pat down instead.
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Well in a news article, they are saying that the 'flaw' in the scanner is that it cannot see inside a man or woman and that recently there is intelligence that terrorists are looking to insert bombs inside their bodies!

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Dang. I was just about to suggest that if I were running a training cell in the Pashtun, I'd be telling my recruits to bend over. For the equipment. For the bomb stuff.
It's already been done. Don't you guys read the news? Saudi terrorist stuck a bomb up his ass that was cell phone detonated as he tried to "ass"assinate the Saudi deputy "interior" minister (oh the sweet irony).

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1) The entire idea of 'enhanced security' for flights is illogical at best, a cover for liberty reduction and increased acceptance of the police state at worst.

2) Stupidity of airport security measures aside, I have kids, and these don't bother me for my use or theirs. If we're going to be forced to suffer through such a charade (meaning security run by people who make less than Burger Flippers), I say bring it on. Speed it up thank you very much.
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Ok so here's the win/win solution according to my mom (first time we've agreed in long time too ):

Have a booth that you can step into
that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device
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Ok so here's the win/win solution according to my mom (first time we've agreed in long time too ):

Have a booth that you can step into
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you may have on you.
I like it! If you've nothing to hide you wouldn't object to it. On the plane you go.

If you do object to it. You have to undergo a very long and through cavity search. Could result in you missing your flight.

If you do have something to hide, and you're dumb enough to step in to the thing then let the punishment fit the crime. You get blown up.

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Ok so here's the win/win solution according to my mom (first time we've agreed in long time too ):

Have a booth that you can step into
that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device
you may have on you.
what about the unknown explosive devices? at least now they see something suspicious they investigate.



I was "randomly" chosen about four years ago when i was getting on a plane to mexico...there was a few little stars next to my name on my ticket, that no one else in my family had...it was very obvious that something was special about mine, because everytime i went through a checkpoint, from the moment i was handed my ticket, til i cleared security, people were always singling be out when they were handling the tickets...so if i was not an idiot and i had something on me that i shouldn't have, i could have placed it in my brothers bag, or just swapped bags...it's not exactly a "random" check, but it's probably randomized through the computer...so i guess that's actually "more" random?
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I wonder how long it will take before a market for scanner porn/nudity fetish is established.
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So what if some dude I can't see and will never see again gets a view of my schlong. People are too timid and nervous about shit like this. I may feel a little intimidated about him seeing my tits though
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Have a booth that you can step into
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So, if I want to kill you (I like you very much, darling, I'm just making an example), all I have to do is place some explosive in your clothes without you knowing and let the airport security do the rest ?
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So, if I want to kill you (I like you very much, darling, I'm just making an example), all I have to do is place some explosive in your clothes without you knowing and let the airport security do the rest ?
LOL well, perhaps thats not the best solution.


I would to thru it though, I have nothing to hide. And I would gladly submit to an xray that may be less then desirable, if it meant it would drastically reduce the chance that someone else on the plane is going to blow me up. I mean, when it comes to life or death I would do a lot of things.
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So what if some dude I can't see and will never see again gets a view of my schlong. People are too timid and nervous about shit like this.
This logic is baffling to me (no offense to you personally, redwings0921). Like you, I have heard the person watching the images is far-removed from the person being imaged. But nothing gives me confidence what I've heard is true. Here is a good example (posted by someone else in another thread)...

Exposed: Naked Body Scanner Images Of Film Star Printed, Circulated By Airport Staff

Or, if you prefer...

Shah Rukh signs off sexy body-scan printouts at Heathrow - Yahoo! India News

If we can agree to set aside the man's response to the offense as irrelevant to the issue, we have a clear case of lying.

I am always floored by how quickly we trust what we hear or read. That goes for politicians, state officials (e.g. TSA, CIA, DoD, CDC, etc.), spouses, and business partners.

As for the promises of privacy with the BSI's...
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This logic is baffling to me (no offense to you personally, redwings0921). Like you, I have heard the person watching the images is far-removed from the person being imaged. But nothing gives me confidence what I've heard is true. Here is a good example (posted by someone else in another thread)...

Exposed: Naked Body Scanner Images Of Film Star Printed, Circulated By Airport Staff

Or, if you prefer...

Shah Rukh signs off sexy body-scan printouts at Heathrow - Yahoo! India News

If we can agree to set aside the man's response to the offense as irrelevant to the issue, we have a clear case of lying.

I am always floored by how quickly we trust what we hear or read. That goes for politicians, state officials (e.g. TSA, CIA, DoD, CDC, etc.), spouses, and business partners.

As for the promises of privacy with the BSI's...
Even then, pass it around. I am sitll some random ass dude with a 16 incher
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