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hellblazer · 02-04-2010, 12:25 AM

It's just crazy that this shit is going on RIGHT NOW. There's no sides to this, we all can agree that the Chinese government is just straight up illegitimate and a bunch of criminals. The fact that they do this to silence the Chinese people is disgusting.

supersundas · 02-04-2010, 12:43 AM

umm the american government does pretty much the same thing unfortunately....Guantanamo bay has quite a few people who have been imprisoned without trial ever

Andrew Scherer · 02-04-2010, 02:06 AM

what the fuck the american government is the embodiment of perfection we don't torture and kill people like that you unamerican anti-patriot...I mean come on we outsource it, haven't you ever heard of rendition.

hellblazer · 02-04-2010, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by supersundas

the american government does pretty much the same thing...

Are you a fucking retard? The U.S. government does this?:

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"What I had suffered in the camp was not the most brutal. Another practitioner named Ms. Wang Lijun was tortured in the small metal cage three times. Inmates tied many knots on a thick rope and pulled it back and forth in a sawing motion across her vagina. Her entire lower body swelled up. The head police then ordered inmates to jab her swollen vagina with the thorny end of a broken mop stick. This torture caused Ms. Wang's vagina to bleed profusely. Her abdomen and vagina were so swollen that she could not pull up her pants, or sit, or urinate. Ms. Wang still could not sit upright two months after the sexual torture. Her legs were also disabled. I also witnessed these inmates applying this same torture on a virgin. The head police officer also put venomous bugs on female practitioners' bodies."

"My name is Wei Chun (alias). I am 35 years old and live in Dalian. I started to practice Falun Gong in 1998. Because Falun Gong teaches people to live the principles of 'Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance,' I have improved greatly, both mentally and physically. I can forgive others easily and elevate my moral character at the same time. In July 1999, the government started to oppress Falun Gong. I could not ignore its abuse of our basic human rights, so I went to Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong in March 2000. When I got on the train, I was stopped and asked by a policeman to say abusive words about Mr. Li Hongzhi. I refused, and so I was arrested. Afterwards, I knew that whoever traveled to Beijing at that time, whether by train or by bus, had to say some abusive words about Mr. Li or Falun Dafa, otherwise they would not be allowed to travel.

"I was taken to the Dalian Drug Rehabilitation Center, and detained for seven days. When I was sent back to my work place, my supervisors demoted me to cleaning the factory in the morning and reflecting on my mistakes in the afternoon. They wanted me to renounce my belief and write statements slandering Falun Gong. I refused, so I was forced to quit my job. In April 2000, I found other employment. On March 15, 2001, Chen Xin and other policemen from the No. 1 Division of Dalian Public Security Bureau abducted me from my work place. They did not allow me to sleep for five days and nights. My hands were handcuffed behind my back the entire time. They put lit cigarettes into my nostrils and mouth. My mouth was filled with cigarettes. At one time, a policeman hit my head with an iron club. Afterwards, I was sent to the Dalian Detention Center and sentenced to labor for two years. On May 18, I was sent to the Fifth Team at the Dalian Labor Camp for reeducation.

"On June 4, Mr. Liu Yonglai, Mr. Qu Fei, Mr. Huang Wenzhong, and myself were brought to the 4th floor. We were to be forced to defame Mr. Li and Falun Dafa. If we did not do so, they would punish us with electric shocks. If we did so, they would take us downstairs to write the 'three letters' defaming Falun Gong and Mr. Li, criticizing ourselves, and pledging not to practice Falun Gong again. They took off all of Liu Yonglai's and my clothes, and handcuffed us together face to face. They used six electric batons on both of us, and shocked us on our heads, backs, thighs, genitals, both sides of our chests, and necks. We clenched our teeth, and struggled to avoid the electric shocks. As a result of struggling, the handcuffs became progressively tighter. They eventually cut into our flesh and down to our bones. It was extremely painful and we bled a lot.

"The electric shocks continued for about one hour, and then they separated us. They handcuffed Liu's hands behind his back, and made him crawl on the grass. They put two chairs on his back and asked two criminals to sit on the chairs. Then, another six criminals used six fully charged electric batons and repeatedly shocked his back, buttocks, neck, calves, soles of his feet, and genitals at the same time. They even pulled out his penis to shock it separately. As for me, I was tied to a chair. The legs of the chair, and the back of the chair were both tied with several electric batons. Then, they tightly tied me on the back of the chair with a rope. Another criminal held an electric baton to my head. Six batons were used to simultaneously shock me. My entire body was in convulsions. I felt that I would rather be dead than alive. I cried out in despair. My hopeless cries could be heard throughout the entire building. There were many Falun Gong practitioners on the 2nd and 3rd floors. It is said that they all wept upon hearing my shrill cries.

"The torture continued for about an hour. Then, I exchanged places with Liu. He was forced to sit on the electric shocking chair while I crawled on the grass. Again, I was shocked with six electric batons at the same time for about one hour. I felt that I could no longer bear it, but I'd rather die than betray my belief, my conscience and not defame my Master and Falun Dafa. So I started to hit the ground with my head in hopes of inducing unconsciousness. Every time the six electric batons touched me at the same time, I felt as if ten thousand arrows had simultaneously been shot into my heart.

"I felt that I had died several times. After the electric batons ran out, they would change to new ones with more voltage. I finally started to fear, so at last I submitted. Later, Liu could no longer endure it, either. He also submitted. The policemen who led the criminals to shock us were Qiao Wei, Zhu Fengshan, Jing Dianke and others. I don't remember all the criminals' names. Afterwards, I was told that when Huang Wenzhong was shocked, his face was burned and bloody. Qu Fe's cheeks were beaten with shoes so severely that they swelled up like a bread loaf. After we were taken downstairs, we wrote the Guarantee Statements to renounce Falun Dafa. When we went back to the team, we had to write a full page with the same three sentences every day, defaming Master Li and Falun Gong. Meanwhile, we had to shout the three statements out every day. It was strangling my soul. The pain it brought to me was far greater than the torture to my body. But if we opposed it or refused to do so, we would be taken to the 4th floor to be shocked until we submitted again.

"Afterwards, a Falun Gong practitioner called Li in class 3 could not endure the spiritual torture and chose to commit suicide by hanging himself. He was rescued. At that time, I did not want to live another moment. I was too humiliated. I did not want to endure the electric shocks anymore. I was afraid that I could not bear them. Nevertheless, I did not want to do such immoral things as defame our Master and Falun Dafa. I told Liu that if any practitioner dared to give his life, the guards would not dare not to persecute us like this. He said that he would sacrifice his life for the others. One day, when we were cleaning outdoors, Liu walked to the 3rd floor from the back of the building and jumped down head first. He died instantly. Soon thereafter, many Falun Gong practitioners recanted everything they wrote and said that what they had written violated their conscience, the facts were twisted due to torture and were invalid. They would firmly protect their belief and the truth. Because of this, the police put these practitioners who had recanted the three statements into the same class and put them into forced labor. They got up at 5:00 a.m. and worked until 11:00 p.m. every day. Then, they sent these nine practitioners to Guanshan Labor Camp to start a new cycle of persecution.

How any of you can compare this to America is beyond me, but that's why you're the fucking whackos.

Andrew Scherer · 02-04-2010, 02:29 AM

We should teach them the american culture and way of life at the end of a peacekeepers M-16 - that'll learn 'em

Give em a shot of mom and apple pie

Fatbat · 02-04-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hellblazer

Are you a fucking retard? The U.S. government does this?

Holy shit you are stupid. Of course they've done "that". The US govt and its agents are guilty of torturing many, many, people using rape, sodomy, water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, attack with dogs, religious humiliation... the list goes on and on. And was pointed out, when they aren't up to using torture themselves, the CIA has no problem exporting people to other countries where torture is widely employed. You're the one living in La La land if you think otherwise.

Andrew Scherer · 02-04-2010, 02:55 AM

Vaginal torture, Fatbat...what about the vaginal torture

supersundas · 02-04-2010, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fatbat

Holy shit you are stupid. Of course they've done "that". The US govt and its agents are guilty of torturing many, many, people using rape, sodomy, water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, attack with dogs, religious humiliation... the list goes on and on. And was pointed out, when they aren't up to using torture themselves, the CIA has no problem exporting people to other countries where torture is widely employed. You're the one living in La La land if you think otherwise.

This ^ +1

daniel11769 · 02-04-2010, 02:59 AM

how did you know about this?

supersundas · 02-04-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Scherer

We should teach them the american culture and way of life at the end of a peacekeepers M-16 - that'll learn 'em

Give em a shot of mom and apple pie

We should teach them the American style, dumping tons of uranium into the water of Iraq so that the human babies can be physically and mentally damaged for generations! Keep in mind, our government along with Bush did campaign - "War is Peace." Last time I heard the term war, I thought of countries assraping each other by killing each other's soldiers and nuking cities....

Andrew Scherer · 02-04-2010, 03:47 AM

I also think about assraping once in a while.

Fatbat · 02-04-2010, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Scherer

Vaginal torture, Fatbat...what about the vaginal torture

I've given out too much rep, but thanks for the lulz. Plus your sig is brilliant. Keep up the good work!

amanda11 · 02-04-2010, 04:30 AM

hellblazer, stop worrying about the Chinese Gov torturing people (car battery to the balls style)

Who the fuck cares, honestly. The ruling class will always fuck over the poor working people, no matter where you live.

rileypool · 02-04-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fatbat

Holy shit you are stupid. Of course they've done "that". The US govt and its agents are guilty of torturing many, many, people using rape, sodomy, water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, attack with dogs, religious humiliation... the list goes on and on. And was pointed out, when they aren't up to using torture themselves, the CIA has no problem exporting people to other countries where torture is widely employed. You're the one living in La La land if you think otherwise.

I'm okay with this.

BlueYonder · 02-04-2010, 10:21 AM

We'll never be able to crack down on the Chinese, or even adequately criticize them as long as they finance so much of our debt.

bprimeelite · 02-04-2010, 10:51 AM

Read history and study all major countries policies on these matters and then come back and preach. In China, Russia, Iran, Palestine, etc some people are reading the same type of stuff except for it has the American's torturing, stealing, killing innocents. It's called propaganda so when it comes time to fight them over oil or other resources you will be quick to pick up your weapon to liberate their people and defend your "freedom".

popeye · 02-04-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by supersundas

umm the american government does pretty much the same thing unfortunately....Guantanamo bay has quite a few people who have been imprisoned without trial ever

Fuck I get sick of having to educate idiot hivemind children like yourself. Legally and by the Geneva Convention, we can hold enemy combatants in millitary custody untill the conflict/war that they were captured in is over. Therefore we can hold the fuckin stinky, hairy basterds in GITMO, there indefinitely WITHOUT any representation or even CHARGES.

Please provide proof that we tourture our own citizens for speaking out against the government. You can't because it doesn't happen and you are just spouting off what some kid told you on the Internet.

We waterboarded three terrorist...how does this compare to brutal tourture because of religeon or anti-government speech?

hellblazer · 02-04-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by popeye

Please provide proof that we tourture our own citizens for speaking out against the government...

how does waterboarding three terrorists compare to brutal tourture because of religeon or anti-government speech?

^^^^^FUCKIN THIS - How can none of these retards not see the difference???

They're all fuckin morons Popeye, honestly it's embarrassing these are fellow Americans. I'm getting more and more sick of listening to their stupidity, they actually think interrogating terrorists is the same as torturing Christians for kicks, holy shit how did so many morons get together in one place??

P.S. And oh yeah Fatbat, thanks for the neg rep you utter idiot. Go and actually do some research on what happens to Falun Gong members and then try to compare that to dunking a terrorists head in water in order to stop the next terrorist attack. How can such technologically smart people be such utter morons??

hannahmcintyre · 02-04-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatbat

Holy shit you are stupid. Of course they've done "that". The US govt and its agents are guilty of torturing many, many, people using rape, sodomy, water boarding, electric shock, sleep deprivation, attack with dogs, religious humiliation... the list goes on and on. And was pointed out, when they aren't up to using torture themselves, the CIA has no problem exporting people to other countries where torture is widely employed. You're the one living in La La land if you think otherwise.

+rep

Denying that the United States tortures its prisoners that it holds without charge or trial is absolutely keeping your head in the sand.

To the point that they do it in Cuba so they can claim they're not on US soil and don't have to follow US law.

tainted · 02-04-2010, 07:11 PM

True, the US tortures some of its captives. However, what the Chinese are doing is on a totally different level altogether. They torture and execute thousands of their own citizens each year with a brutality that makes the US intelligence services look like schoolgirls. To say that US = China in this matter is ludicrous. Sure, the US isn't perfect, but China is 1000x worse.

JMan1234 · 02-04-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by popeye

Fuck I get sick of having to educate idiot hivemind children like yourself. Legally and by the Geneva Convention, we can hold enemy combatants in millitary custody untill the conflict/war that they were captured in is over. Therefore we can hold the fuckin stinky, hairy basterds in GITMO, there indefinitely WITHOUT any representation or even CHARGES.

Please provide proof that we tourture our own citizens for speaking out against the government. You can't because it doesn't happen and you are just spouting off what some kid told you on the Internet.

We waterboarded three terrorist...how does this compare to brutal tourture because of religeon or anti-government speech?

I was waiting for someone that I agree with to come along.
It actually took a little longer than I thought it would.
Thanks Popeye.

Fatbat · 02-04-2010, 07:49 PM

You two idiots think I'm only talking about a couple water boarding incidents? Ever heard of Bagram? How about Abu Ghraib (let's not pretend we've not seen the pictures)?

Widely published reports state that a large number of those imprisoned in both places weren't captured by US forces, but instead turned in by fellow Iraqi's keen on getting a reward. Most had never done anything wrong. Many were beaten and tortured.

Bagram torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Since 2002 there have been numerous reports of torture and at least two cases of murder.

In one of the worst cases a taxi driver by the name of Dilawar was beaten to death there in December 2002. His body was found to have suffered over 100 savage blows to the legs, apparently for the sadistic amusement of guards.

The autopsy report said that his legs had become “pulpified” and that he had died from blunt force trauma.

Omar Deghayes described his time at Bagram as follows: “Lying on the floor of the compound, all night I would hear the screams of others in the rooms above us as they were tortured and interrogated.

“My number would be called out and I would have to go to the gate. They chained me and put a bag over my head, dragging me off for my own turn.
“They would force me to my knees for questioning and threaten me with more torture."

Hell, even at Guantanamo, 775 detainees have been through the door and 420 have been released without charge, though some have been shipped off to countries where torture is also widely employed. Held for years and released without charge. Is that the American way? Do you really think if these people were all terrorists they would just be released without charge? They had nothing on them, yet they lost years of their lives rotting in an American concentration camp.

I love how you justify torture as "interrogating" too. It's been proven over and over that very little useful information comes from torturing people. Even your article proves that.

Torture is torture. There's no justification for it.

Oh, and "buh buh bu blubber boo hooo" you big fucking pussy rat. You talk tough and act like a complete douche but when someone neg reps you you have to tattle on them like a little bitch. Go fuck yourself.

Fatbat · 02-04-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tainted

Sure, the US isn't perfect, but China is 1000x worse.

Facepalm...

JMan1234 · 02-04-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatbat

You two idiots think I'm only talking about a couple water boarding incidents? Ever heard of Bagram? How about Abu Ghraib (let's not pretend we've not seen the pictures)?

Widely published reports state that a large number of those imprisoned in both places weren't captured by US forces, but instead turned in by fellow Iraqi's keen on getting a reward. Most had never done anything wrong. Many were beaten and tortured.

Bagram torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Since 2002 there have been numerous reports of torture and at least two cases of murder.

In one of the worst cases a taxi driver by the name of Dilawar was beaten to death there in December 2002. His body was found to have suffered over 100 savage blows to the legs, apparently for the sadistic amusement of guards.

The autopsy report said that his legs had become “pulpified” and that he had died from blunt force trauma.

Omar Deghayes described his time at Bagram as follows: “Lying on the floor of the compound, all night I would hear the screams of others in the rooms above us as they were tortured and interrogated.

“My number would be called out and I would have to go to the gate. They chained me and put a bag over my head, dragging me off for my own turn.
“They would force me to my knees for questioning and threaten me with more torture."

Hell, even at Guantanamo, 775 detainees have been through the door and 420 have been released without charge, though some have been shipped off to countries where torture is also widely employed. Held for years and released without charge. Is that the American way? Do you really think if these people were all terrorists they would just be released without charge? They had nothing on them, yet they lost years of their lives rotting in an American concentration camp.

I love how you justify torture as "interrogating" too. It's been proven over and over that very little useful information comes from torturing people. Even your article proves that.

Torture is torture. There's no justification for it.

Oh, and "buh buh bu blubber boo hooo" you big fucking pussy rat. You talk tough and act like a complete douche but when someone neg reps you you have to tattle on them like a little bitch. Go fuck yourself.

We all know about those incidents. Here's the difference. When you have a million or so individuals (US Forces or otherwise), there are going to be those who do things they should not do. That's a fact, and it always will be. You'll never find a large number of individuals who are all saints.

When it happens in the US, the people who did so are punished. In China, innocent citizens are punished and those that carry out the torture are rewarded.

And yes, there is a huge difference between torturing a citizen and a terrorist.
For example, should average joe on the street be punished for speaking out against his government? Absolutely not.
Now, let's say you haveAchmed, who was just seen trying to blow up some school kids, or a building, a bus, or carrying the materials needed to do so, etc... I don't care what they do to him, torture away, and get a good shot in there for me.

Fatbat · 02-04-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan1234

We all know about those incidents. Here's the difference. When you have a million or so individuals (US Forces or otherwise), there are going to be those who do things they should not do. That's a fact, and it always will be. You'll never find a large number of individuals who are all saints.

When it happens in the US, the people who did so are punished. In China, innocent citizens are punished and those that carry out the torture are rewarded.

And yes, there is a huge difference between torturing a citizen and a terrorist.
For example, should average joe on the street be punished for speaking out against his government? Absolutely not.
Now, let's say you haveAchmed, who was just seen trying to blow up some school kids, or a building, a bus, or carrying the materials needed to do so, etc... I don't care what they do to him, torture away, and get a good shot in there for me.

You're just as dumb as the OP.

The orders to torture these guys came from the president and his cronies. It's been proven over and over again that these weren't a few "bad apples". Even the head CIA interrogator stated the orders to torture came from the top.

The people that were involved in the Bagram case (read the link) were almost all acquitted or given ridiculously light punishment for what they did, which was murder at least two people.

And, no, the majority of these people held in these Iraq and Afghan prisons aren't terrorists, but regular Joes going about their business. It just so happens that there is an aggressive occupying force that (gasp) doesn't share the same ideology as well as religious and tribal infighting amongst their own people. You have Iraqis turning in fellow Iraqis claiming the other is a terrorist so they can pick up a cash reward. You have Afghans being held indefinitely on suspicions.

As for Gitmo, you must have missed the part about 420 prisoners being released without charge... meaning they were innocent by American legal standards. IE not terrorists.

And, as a bonus if you can find it, watch the BBC4 documentary Torture Inc. about torture and abuse in the American prison system, inside America. Lots of good naked cattle prod action in there. Sweet American on American torturing action for you to get you jollies to. I mean, it must be OK to torture them, because they're criminals, right?

defelice · 02-04-2010, 08:49 PM

all i have to say is gg

JMan1234 · 02-04-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fatbat

You're just as dumb as the OP.

The orders to torture these guys came from the president and his cronies. It's been proven over and over again that these weren't a few "bad apples". Even the head CIA interrogator stated the orders to torture came from the top.

The people that were involved in the Bagram case (read the link) were almost all acquitted or given ridiculously light punishment for what they did, which was murder at least two people.

And, no, the majority of these people held in these Iraq and Afghan prisons aren't terrorists, but regular Joes going about their business. It just so happens that there is an aggressive occupying force that (gasp) doesn't share the same ideology as well as religious and tribal infighting amongst their own people. You have Iraqis turning in fellow Iraqis claiming the other is a terrorist so they can pick up a cash reward. You have Afghans being held indefinitely on suspicions.

As for Gitmo, you must have missed the part about 420 prisoners being released without charge... meaning they were innocent by American legal standards. IE not terrorists.

And, as a bonus if you can find it, watch the BBC4 documentary Torture Inc. about torture and abuse in the American prison system, inside America. Lots of good naked cattle prod action in there. Sweet American on American torturing action for you to get you jollies to. I mean, it must be OK to torture them, because they're criminals, right?

The president and his cronies? Cronies?? LOL. Get real.

A BBC documentary, ya I'm sure that's not biased.

Just because we release prisoners, that does NOT mean they are not terrorist. And we did release them. The Chinese wouldn't have been so kind.

Like I said, sure it goes on in America, no large population will be 100% saints. It's the overall way things are handled that you need to look at. Anyone with half a brain can see that. That is, unless it's clouded in anti American bias.

And for the record I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with torturing terrorists if it is in fact to gather info against future attacks.
If someone came on my lawn and threatened my family I'd shoot them dead, without hesitation. If I restrained them, and they knew another group was coming for my house next, you can be sure I'd do anything to get that information from them. American soil and American citizens should get the same protection.

_poto_ · 02-04-2010, 08:51 PM

I know a few people that would pay good money for vaginal torture...

cardine · 02-04-2010, 08:51 PM

Violent Terrorists =/= Peaceful Political Dissidents

ricdes · 02-04-2010, 09:40 PM

man what the fuck happened to this forum. we all used to be a nice bunch of gays. now we're a bunch of hellblazarz

Sharksfan · 02-04-2010, 11:59 PM

All clear, we are "GO" for "The Clash" - 'Washington Bullets':

Quote:

Oh! Mama, Mama look there!
Your children are playing in that street again
Don't you know what happened down there?
A youth of fourteen got shot down there
The Kokane guns of Jamdown Town
The killing clowns, the blood money men
Are shooting those Washington bullets again

As every cell in Chile will tell
The cries of the tortured men
Remember Allende, and the days before,
Before the army came
Please remember Victor Jara,
In the Santiago Stadium,
Es verdad - those Washington Bullets again

And in the Bay of Pigs in 1961,
Havana fought the playboy in the Cuban sun,
For Castro is a colour,
Is a redder than red,
Those Washington bullets want Castro dead
For Castro is the colour...
...That will earn you a spray of lead

For the very first time ever,
When they had a revolution in Nicaragua,
There was no interference from America
Human rights in America

Well the people fought the leader,
And up he flew...
With no Washington bullets what else could he do?

'N' if you can find a Afghan rebel
That the Moscow bullets missed
Ask him what he thinks of voting Communist...
...Ask the Dalai Lama in the hills of Tibet,
How many monks did the Chinese get?
In a war-torn swamp stop any mercenary,
'N' check the British bullets in his armoury
Que?
Sandinista!

I love the US because I think we are the least baddest form of government - but do some Googling of the bold above if you happen to think we are above criticism.

popeye · 02-05-2010, 12:00 AM

PROVIDE PROOF THAT WE TOURTURE US CITIZENS BECAUSE OF RELIGEON OR ANTI-GOVERNMENT SPEECH. Until somone can prove this, the argument comparing the US and China is not only invalid but ignorant, inmature and irresponsible.

To be honest most Americans including myself could care less if we stripped some wana be terrorist in Iraq and made them form a cheerleader pyramid.

Damn it just hit me! The ignorance and stupidy make sence now. Are you idiots posting this shit because you hate Christians and WANT to see them tourtured for their beliefs? I tend to forget that most "wana be athiest" are really just biggots and terrorst/islamic sympathizers.

JMan1234 · 02-05-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by popeye

PROVIDE PROOF THAT WE TOURTURE US CITIZENS BECAUSE OF RELIGEON OR ANTI-GOVERNMENT SPEECH. Until somone can prove this, the argument comparing the US and China is not only invalid but ignorant, inmature and irresponsible.

To be honest most Americans including myself could care less if we stripped some wana be terrorist in Iraq and made them form a cheerleader pyramid.

Damn it just hit me! The ignorance and stupidy make sence now. Are you idiots posting this shit because you hate Christians and WANT to see them tourtured for their beliefs? I tend to forget that most "wana be athiest" are really just biggots and terrorst/islamic sympathizers.

I do see your point there. If they had the opportunity to do so, the terrorists would behead every one of you reading this right now, and every member of your family, with absolutely no regrets. In fact, they'd celebrate.

Does anyone here ever stop and think about that? Or are you too busy sympathizing with the "alleged" terrorists?

joshmv · 02-05-2010, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JMan1234

I do see your point there. If they had the opportunity to do so, the terrorists would behead every one of you reading this right now, and every member of your family, with absolutely no regrets. In fact, they'd celebrate.

Does anyone here ever stop and think about that? Or are you too busy sympathizing with the "alleged" terrorists?

+1, fuck them. AMERICA!!!

supersundas · 02-05-2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by popeye

Fuck I get sick of having to educate idiot hivemind children like yourself. Legally and by the Geneva Convention, we can hold enemy combatants in millitary custody untill the conflict/war that they were captured in is over. Therefore we can hold the fuckin stinky, hairy basterds in GITMO, there indefinitely WITHOUT any representation or even CHARGES.

Please provide proof that we tourture our own citizens for speaking out against the government. You can't because it doesn't happen and you are just spouting off what some kid told you on the Internet.

We waterboarded three terrorist...how does this compare to brutal tourture because of religeon or anti-government speech?

I myself, get sick of having to educate close-minded illiterates like yourself. You must learn to use proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, and rhetoric when attempting to persuade or even prove a point. It is evident that you did not receive a proper education in your youth, and you will continue to suffer by writing in this form. I suggest you to invest in the institution of Hooked on Phonics at your earliest convenience simply because it will improve yourself as a person.

And here ya go:

Protests erupt across Pakistan over torture victim?s frame-up
Unclaimed Territory - by Glenn Greenwald: The Bush administration's torture of U.S. citizen Jose Padilla
US torture of John Walker Lindh exposed as frame-up continues

shadowpwner · 02-05-2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hellblazer

^^^^^FUCKIN THIS - How can none of these retards not see the difference???

They're all fuckin morons Popeye, honestly it's embarrassing these are fellow Americans. I'm getting more and more sick of listening to their stupidity, they actually think interrogating terrorists is the same as torturing Christians for kicks, holy shit how did so many morons get together in one place??

P.S. And oh yeah Fatbat, thanks for the neg rep you utter idiot. Go and actually do some research on what happens to Falun Gong members and then try to compare that to dunking a terrorists head in water in order to stop the next terrorist attack. How can such technologically smart people be such utter morons??

Fa Lun Gong is the equivalent of Scientology, just in China.

Not too relevant, but some Scientologists deserve torture after what they've done.

Andrew Scherer · 02-05-2010, 02:59 AM

War is expensive and fiat doesn't work.

The imperialist clock of America is ticking and it's running on borrowed time.

supersundas · 02-05-2010, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Scherer

War is expensive and fiat doesn't work.

The imperialist clock of America is ticking and it's running on borrowed time.

^ Agreed. Trillions have been spent on war, and if we spent that same money on assuaging poverty, or funding our own economy it would be much more efficient. Its pretty clear to almost every bright American that the majority of the wars we have engaged on other countries have pretty much been resource wars with no roi.....yet

Andrew Scherer · 02-05-2010, 03:36 AM

Oh there's been ROI.

It's just that suckers like us don't see it - we just foot the bill with lives and cash.

moooooooo

Fatbat · 02-05-2010, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supersundas

I myself, get sick of having to educate close-minded illiterates like yourself. You must learn to use proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, and rhetoric when attempting to persuade or even prove a point. It is evident that you did not receive a proper education in your youth, and you will continue to suffer by writing in this form. I suggest you to invest in the institution of Hooked on Phonics at your earliest convenience simply because it will improve yourself as a person.

You know how they say you can read words no matter what order the letters appear in? Well it must be true, or I wasn't paying attention, because you are correct!

That really is atrocious Popeye. The browser even auto highlights your spelling mistakes for you so you have the opportunity, a second chance if you will, to not look stupid.

Ah well.

Andrew Scherer · 02-05-2010, 04:02 AM

rofl........... almost 1.5k posts of straight mush

but its entertaining

Maitiú · 02-05-2010, 06:40 AM

Americans are very quick to forget their own state sponsored executions.

Quote:

The nighthawk flies and the owl cries as we're driving down the road.
Listening to the music on the all night radio show,
The announcer comes on says if you've got ideas I'll file the patent for you,
What's an idea if it's not in the store makin' a buck or two.
We drive to the town but the shutters are down and the all-night restaurant's closed
Its the land of the free,we've got booze and T.V. and there's tramps in the telephone booths.
The stars and the trees and the early Spring breeze say forget what assassins have done,
Take our good soil in the palm of your hands and wait for tomorrows sun.

CHORUS.
Its a long way from the heartlands
to Santiago bay
Where the good doctor lies with blood in his eyes
and the bullets read U.S.of A.

A truck driver's wife she leads a rough life he spends his life on the road.
Carrying the goods all the copper and wood thats what makes America great,
But the dollars like swallows they fly to the South where they know they've got something to gain,
Allende is killed, and the trucks are soon rolling again.

The nighthawk flies and the owl it cries as we're driving down the road,
The full moon reveals all the houses and fields where good people do what they're told,
Victor Jara he lies with coins in his eyes there's no one around him to mourn,
Who needs a poet who won't take commands who'd rather make love then war.

HBZSoftware.com · 02-05-2010, 07:24 AM

Prove what he asked you to prove or shut the fuck up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fatbat

You know how they say you can read words no matter what order the letters appear in? Well it must be true, or I wasn't paying attention, because you are correct!

spinkick-pro · 02-05-2010, 11:01 AM

everyone relax. the US tortures people, we all know that. But we do it less often and not as 'badly'. We even do it for different reasons. That makes us less evil. In fact, that makes us the good guys. Right?

GooeySlate · 02-05-2010, 01:43 PM

All governments/armies/police have been staffed by humans... so every government have fucked over their own and others people.

Not until an actual Parakeet government is elected to power, will we be safe.

Fat Tom · 02-05-2010, 03:04 PM

nom nom nom *popcorn* nom nom nom

Dispel · 02-05-2010, 03:18 PM

The moral relativists in this thread make me fucking sick.

popeye · 02-05-2010, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HBZSoftware.com

Prove what he asked you to prove or shut the fuck up?

They can't and won't prove it. Instead, They resort to reddit "grammer nazi" tactics. It's expected though so no big deal.

Fatbat · 02-05-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye

They can't and won't prove it.

It's been proven to you already fucktard. Educate thyself! Simply read the links and quotes in this thread.

Why should I have to do all the heavy lifting for you? I and others have given you the facts. You're the one that continues to ignore them.

Ryan · 02-05-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye

Fuck I get sick of having to educate idiot hivemind children like yourself. Legally and by the Geneva Convention, we can hold enemy combatants in millitary custody untill the conflict/war that they were captured in is over.

Was going into Iraq all good with the Geneva Convention? I think fuckin not sir.

02-04-2010, 12:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
hellblazer Agent 44 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,346 iTrader: 8 / 100%	Chinese Lawyer Condemns Communist Government, Gets Tortured And Killed It's just crazy that this shit is going on RIGHT NOW. There's no sides to this, we all can agree that the Chinese government is just straight up illegitimate and a bunch of criminals. The fact that they do this to silence the Chinese people is disgusting. YouTube- Broadcast Yourself. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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supersundas Affiliate Markedurrr Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: On the interwebz Posts: 158 iTrader: 0 / 0%	umm the american government does pretty much the same thing unfortunately....Guantanamo bay has quite a few people who have been imprisoned without trial ever Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Andrew Scherer MarketersCenter.com Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 3,848 iTrader: 76 / 100%	what the fuck the american government is the embodiment of perfection we don't torture and kill people like that you unamerican anti-patriot...I mean come on we outsource it, haven't you ever heard of rendition. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ WF Threads: Press Release Marketing Machine: The Best Quality Writing and Syndication Online

02-04-2010, 02:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
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amanda11 Hustle hard Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,445 iTrader: 0 / 0%	hellblazer, stop worrying about the Chinese Gov torturing people (car battery to the balls style) Who the fuck cares, honestly. The ruling class will always fuck over the poor working people, no matter where you live. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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02-04-2010, 10:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
bprimeelite Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 775 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Read history and study all major countries policies on these matters and then come back and preach. In China, Russia, Iran, Palestine, etc some people are reading the same type of stuff except for it has the American's torturing, stealing, killing innocents. It's called propaganda so when it comes time to fight them over oil or other resources you will be quick to pick up your weapon to liberate their people and defend your "freedom". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-04-2010, 07:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
tainted Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,051 iTrader: 22 / 100%	True, the US tortures some of its captives. However, what the Chinese are doing is on a totally different level altogether. They torture and execute thousands of their own citizens each year with a brutality that makes the US intelligence services look like schoolgirls. To say that US = China in this matter is ludicrous. Sure, the US isn't perfect, but China is 1000x worse. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-04-2010, 07:49 PM	#22 (permalink)
Fatbat Advertise Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Costa del Sol, Spain Posts: 4,091 iTrader: 3 / 100%	You two idiots think I'm only talking about a couple water boarding incidents? Ever heard of Bagram? How about Abu Ghraib (let's not pretend we've not seen the pictures)? Widely published reports state that a large number of those imprisoned in both places weren't captured by US forces, but instead turned in by fellow Iraqi's keen on getting a reward. Most had never done anything wrong. Many were beaten and tortured. Bagram torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Since 2002 there have been numerous reports of torture and at least two cases of murder. In one of the worst cases a taxi driver by the name of Dilawar was beaten to death there in December 2002. His body was found to have suffered over 100 savage blows to the legs, apparently for the sadistic amusement of guards. The autopsy report said that his legs had become “pulpified” and that he had died from blunt force trauma. Omar Deghayes described his time at Bagram as follows: “Lying on the floor of the compound, all night I would hear the screams of others in the rooms above us as they were tortured and interrogated. “My number would be called out and I would have to go to the gate. They chained me and put a bag over my head, dragging me off for my own turn. “They would force me to my knees for questioning and threaten me with more torture." Hell, even at Guantanamo, 775 detainees have been through the door and 420 have been released without charge, though some have been shipped off to countries where torture is also widely employed. Held for years and released without charge. Is that the American way? Do you really think if these people were all terrorists they would just be released without charge? They had nothing on them, yet they lost years of their lives rotting in an American concentration camp. I love how you justify torture as "interrogating" too. It's been proven over and over that very little useful information comes from torturing people. Even your article proves that. Torture is torture. There's no justification for it. Oh, and "buh buh bu blubber boo hooo" you big fucking pussy rat. You talk tough and act like a complete douche but when someone neg reps you you have to tattle on them like a little bitch. Go fuck yourself. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ BRAD SHAW - GRAPHIC DESIGN [ WEB - PRINT - IDENTITY ] >>>

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02-04-2010, 08:51 PM	#29 (permalink)
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02-05-2010, 12:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
popeye Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,827 iTrader: 9 / 100%	PROVIDE PROOF THAT WE TOURTURE US CITIZENS BECAUSE OF RELIGEON OR ANTI-GOVERNMENT SPEECH. Until somone can prove this, the argument comparing the US and China is not only invalid but ignorant, inmature and irresponsible. To be honest most Americans including myself could care less if we stripped some wana be terrorist in Iraq and made them form a cheerleader pyramid. Damn it just hit me! The ignorance and stupidy make sence now. Are you idiots posting this shit because you hate Christians and WANT to see them tourtured for their beliefs? I tend to forget that most "wana be athiest" are really just biggots and terrorst/islamic sympathizers. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________

02-05-2010, 02:59 AM	#37 (permalink)
Andrew Scherer MarketersCenter.com Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 3,848 iTrader: 76 / 100%	War is expensive and fiat doesn't work. The imperialist clock of America is ticking and it's running on borrowed time. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ WF Threads: Press Release Marketing Machine: The Best Quality Writing and Syndication Online

02-05-2010, 03:36 AM	#39 (permalink)
Andrew Scherer MarketersCenter.com Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Mexico Posts: 3,848 iTrader: 76 / 100%	Oh there's been ROI. It's just that suckers like us don't see it - we just foot the bill with lives and cash. moooooooo Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ WF Threads: Press Release Marketing Machine: The Best Quality Writing and Syndication Online

02-05-2010, 04:02 AM	#41 (permalink)
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02-05-2010, 11:01 AM	#44 (permalink)
spinkick-pro Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 69 iTrader: 0 / 0%	everyone relax. the US tortures people, we all know that. But we do it less often and not as 'badly'. We even do it for different reasons. That makes us less evil. In fact, that makes us the good guys. Right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-05-2010, 01:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
GooeySlate Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 17 iTrader: 0 / 0%	All governments/armies/police have been staffed by humans... so every government have fucked over their own and others people. Not until an actual Parakeet government is elected to power, will we be safe. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-05-2010, 03:18 PM	#47 (permalink)
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