LPLockdown - If You Like Giving Your Pages Away - Page 5 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

JarredLv · 02-06-2010, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justo_tx

Everybody kept wondering why John Chow was at Nicky's ASW party, until now. duhn duhn duhn!

He does kind of have that "Totally worth my server logs" look on his face.

mailinatorm2 · 02-06-2010, 01:27 AM

Wow...what a shady guy...He just ruined his reputation for few thousand dollars?

Ohh and how ironic - that a person who made LPLockdown had all his own landers + IP's exposed by a person whom he has smashed earlier?! WOW...

What goes around comes around

mattfca · 02-06-2010, 01:28 AM

I love how riggs is up in the WF now haha

bizkiller · 02-06-2010, 01:31 AM

i still like nicky tho, hes helped me on msn a few times.

AngryMac · 02-06-2010, 02:32 AM

so what i gathered from this thread is that i should i turn off my java and use a proxy on my virtual machine when i go affilate LP surfing

nickynoodles · 02-06-2010, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deliguy

cached version of an old post by nicky:
Happy Birthday NickyCakes! - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum

in his sig at the time of the google cache:
notice the domain the hidden pixel is grabbing from?

Mike619 · 02-06-2010, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailinatorm2

Wow...what a shady guy...He just ruined his reputation for few thousand dollars?

Ohh and how ironic - that a person who made LPLockdown had all his own landers + IP's exposed by a person whom he has smashed earlier?! WOW...

What goes around comes around

karma is a bitch

B 4 I Fu Ru 18 · 02-06-2010, 02:50 AM

Money is money.

Moxxy · 02-06-2010, 02:56 AM

Don't see what the fuss is about. It's a simple business decision. Will this save me more than $50/month in losses from LP theft. If it will great, use it. If not don't. If a noob buys it without the revenue to justify it they are a dumbass and the quicker they are squeezed out of the business the better.

As for mining IP's from WF. Did anyone seriously think their IP was safe here of all places? If you believe that you probably believe daddy google would never use the info they collect about you to fuck you over.

xtacx · 02-06-2010, 03:01 AM

kyleirwin · 02-06-2010, 03:32 AM

I'm sorry for the lack of answers that we (Nick and I) have given in this thread. There have surely been some questions asked that deserve to be addressed/answered.

MajorBTA made a great point. This service isn't meant as a guarantee that your landing page won't get seen by affiliates, or stolen by landing page thieves. It simply offers several layers of protection to deter thieves. Sure there are work arounds, but they aren't practiced often. All it takes to know that, is seeing your 202 stats thrown off by someone stealing your landing page, and leaving your pixel. If that hasn't happened to you, you're either ungodly lucky, or simply not looking close enough. The beauty of LP Lockdown is that you don't have to look closely, you're notified when it happens!

I think it's silly that everybody is shocked that Nick, along with many others, were collecting IPs (along with other data) from pixels in their signatures. Especially because Nick posted about that exact thing months ago and everyone thought it was brilliant.

For those not trusting us with your referrer data, please test us. It would be very easy for any of our users to setup a "trap page" in our system. Create a Theft Monitor, Uptime Monitor, or Page Cloaker on a specific page that isn't linked to from anywhere else, and keep an eye on the logs. I can guarantee you, you won't be finding us visiting your page.

As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites. That is no secret. But we don't simply drop all the IPs into a database and call it a day. All the collected user data (much more than just an IP) is run through our scrubbing algorithm that we have been developing and testing over the last 5 months , to ensure that desirable traffic isn't blacklisted. While it's not absolute perfection (I don't think any algorithm can be), it does do a very good job.

If you're concerned about losing desirable traffic, and therefore conversions... split test it. Run some traffic through our system, and some not, then review the results. See if you're losing conversions. We've done it. A lot. And we know we're not losing sales. We've been continuously testing, tweaking, and improving our system and we're confident it's effective in it's purpose.

You also have to keep in mind, much of WickedFire may not be the target audience for this product. Many users on this forum are plenty capable programmers, though I'm constantly surprised by the overwhelming amount of affiliates who are not. If you're capable and willing to attempt to create a similar functioning script for yourself... by all means, do it. The fact is, that is not an option for most affiliates, and that is exactly who this service is intended for.

We have many more additions coming out in our service, but this thread has expedited a couple of them...

Cloaking API
During our beta period, users had access to an API to allow them to cloak visitors on the server side, before any of their client side code was ever served to a visitor. We took this out at launch time, to simplify the service. Much of the feedback we got during our beta testing was to simplify the service, so we did. But, because it does offer an advantage is many situations, the API access has been re-enabled.

Your Own Domain / Private [Dedicated] IPs
We also now offer the option for all users to serve the scripts and pixels on their own domains, rather than just the 11i.us domain. Dedicated IPs will also be available soon, to even further enhance privacy.

Since the day we launched beta, LP Lockdown has been doing exactly what it was designed to do... notify users when their sites go down, cloaking away unwanted visitors, notifying users of theft, and enabling them to take back control of their stolen websites. We know it works, and I believe any of our users can attest to that.

We've put a lot of time and energy into developing this product and truly feel it is an asset to our industry, and a great value to all of it's intended users. You don't have to blindly believe in the product, but please don't blindly bash it either, without even seeing as much as the user interface. We believe in it, and that's why we're happy to offer a prompt refund to anybody that signs up to our service, and isn't satisfied with it.

Thanks for the read.

stockfire · 02-06-2010, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyleirwin

I'm sorry for the lack of answers that we (Nick and I) have given in this thread. There have surely been some questions asked that deserve to be addressed/answered.

MajorBTA made a great point. This service isn't meant as a guarantee that your landing page won't get seen by affiliates, or stolen by landing page thieves. It simply offers several layers of protection to deter thieves. Sure there are work arounds, but they aren't practiced often. All it takes to know that, is seeing your 202 stats thrown off by someone stealing your landing page, and leaving your pixel. If that hasn't happened to you, you're either ungodly lucky, or simply not looking close enough. The beauty of LP Lockdown is that you don't have to look closely, you're notified when it happens!

I think it's silly that everybody is shocked that Nick, along with many others, were collecting IPs (along with other data) from pixels in their signatures. Especially because Nick posted about that exact thing months ago and everyone thought it was brilliant.

For those not trusting us with your referrer data, please test us. It would be very easy for any of our users to setup a "trap page" in our system. Create a Theft Monitor, Uptime Monitor, or Page Cloaker on a specific page that isn't linked to from anywhere else, and keep an eye on the logs. I can guarantee you, you won't be finding us visiting your page.

As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites. That is no secret. But we don't simply drop all the IPs into a database and call it a day. All the collected user data (much more than just an IP) is run through our scrubbing algorithm that we have been developing and testing over the last 5 months , to ensure that desirable traffic isn't blacklisted. While it's not absolute perfection (I don't think any algorithm can be), it does do a very good job.

If you're concerned about losing desirable traffic, and therefore conversions... split test it. Run some traffic through our system, and some not, then review the results. See if you're losing conversions. We've done it. A lot. And we know we're not losing sales. We've been continuously testing, tweaking, and improving our system and we're confident it's effective in it's purpose.

You also have to keep in mind, much of WickedFire may not be the target audience for this product. Many users on this forum are plenty capable programmers, though I'm constantly surprised by the overwhelming amount of affiliates who are not. If you're capable and willing to attempt to create a similar functioning script for yourself... by all means, do it. The fact is, that is not an option for most affiliates, and that is exactly who this service is intended for.

We have many more additions coming out in our service, but this thread has expedited a couple of them...

Cloaking API
During our beta period, users had access to an API to allow them to cloak visitors on the server side, before any of their client side code was ever served to a visitor. We took this out at launch time, to simplify the service. Much of the feedback we got during our beta testing was to simplify the service, so we did. But, because it does offer an advantage is many situations, the API access has been re-enabled.

Your Own Domain / Private [Dedicated] IPs
We also now offer the option for all users to serve the scripts and pixels on their own domains, rather than just the 11i.us domain. Dedicated IPs will also be available soon, to even further enhance privacy.

Since the day we launched beta, LP Lockdown has been doing exactly what it was designed to do... notify users when their sites go down, cloaking away unwanted visitors, notifying users of theft, and enabling them to take back control of their stolen websites. We know it works, and I believe any of our users can attest to that.

We've put a lot of time and energy into developing this product and truly feel it is an asset to our industry, and a great value to all of it's intended users. You don't have to blindly believe in the product, but please don't blindly bash it either, without even seeing as much as the user interface. We believe in it, and that's why we're happy to offer a prompt refund to anybody that signs up to our service, and isn't satisfied with it.

Thanks for the read.

he's a witch!

papajohn56 · 02-06-2010, 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deliguy

cached version of an old post by nicky:
Happy Birthday NickyCakes! - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum

in his sig at the time of the google cache:
notice the domain the hidden pixel is grabbing from?

__Leo__ · 02-06-2010, 04:42 AM

Went to sleep, woke up and drama level went from 4 to 17 zillion trillion.

Sleep again.

KtotheC112 · 02-06-2010, 04:47 AM

I look like Nicky Cakes.

TylerDurden · 02-06-2010, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eVandals

registered agents mad cause i'm flagrant.

Tap my cell and the phone in the basement.

Webwonder · 02-06-2010, 04:57 AM

At first cakes was like up here _______________

and now he's like down here_______________???

Webwonder · 02-06-2010, 05:01 AM

but I aint mad at him... I'm sure he'll take plenty of suckers monies just like the ppc coaches of the industry.

FAKE IT TILL YA MAKE IT!

Lord B · 02-06-2010, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KtotheC112

I look like Nicky Cakes.

Me thinks you have a hard time getting laid if that is how you dress / look like / party. Not Nicky.

GooeySlate · 02-06-2010, 05:36 AM

Ban Nickycakes.

__Leo__ · 02-06-2010, 06:08 AM

Let me analyze.
2 possible solution, either cakes recovers or you destroy him completly.

How should cakes behave to come on top?
Form a consensus. cakes should not post and should let his friends/fans do the job. They should form a consensus that picking IPs on WF was an acceptable move.

Quote:

Abba Eban - A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.

How do you behave to destroy cakes?
Dig more dirt from his past, invent fake stories to neg his reputation (again form a consensus, shouldnt be too hard to do now as this is the perfect timing).
And finally some uber-blogger should pick the coin and stab him once more via his blog.

My bet? I have a feeling cakes will recover.
Thanks for joinnig me in this PR lesson.

g33ks · 02-06-2010, 07:38 AM

Can't knock a guy for trying to make some money and who cares if his tool is helpful or not, everyone can make their own decision.

He's been very smart not responding to much in this thread as it will just cause more heat. I am sure he would rather this thread go away. But if you are going to dish it out then you need to take it as well. The more he responds to accusations the bigger the drama will become.

This question needs to be answered though as its bad on Jon as well as Nicky. They have gained the trust of the entire affiliate community and that trust MAY have been broken.

Did he use his mod status on wickedfire to grab a list of ips in vbulletin?

Use his sig all he wants but when you start taking user ips from the admin system that is another issue.

I think both Jon and Nicky need to respond to this and until they do this thread shouldn't go away. If it was the other way around Nicky sure wouldn't let it go away.

He is quick to drill others when he sees something he doesn't like going on in the industry but now when its his time to answer questions he is nowhere to be found.

This answer by his partner in the above post is insufficient...

"As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites."

FTC-Hater · 02-06-2010, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __Leo__

Let me analyze.
2 possible solution, either cakes recovers or you destroy him completly.

How should cakes behave to come on top?
Form a consensus. cakes should not post and should let his friends/fans do the job. They should form a consensus that picking IPs on WF was an acceptable move.

How do you behave to destroy cakes?
Dig more dirt from his past, invent fake stories to neg his reputation (again form a consensus, shouldnt be too hard to do now as this is the perfect timing).
And finally some uber-blogger should pick the coin and stab him once more via his blog.

My bet? I have a feeling cakes will recover.
Thanks for joinnig me in this PR lesson.

No one has forgotten you're actually lemons.

Why the fuck aren't you banned yet?

__Leo__ · 02-06-2010, 08:08 AM

__Leo__ · 02-06-2010, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FTC-Hater

No one has forgotten you're actually lemons.

I aint hiding, its written under my username.

BeerHat · 02-06-2010, 08:31 AM

I don't see how nickybakescakes can still be a mod here after this shit storm.

blogspotter · 02-06-2010, 08:34 AM

Fact of the matter is that AM is highly commoditized. You creatives will be copied, your LP will be copied, your traffic sources will be outbid, your margin undercut. The idea is to keep running.. Nicky offered a solution to protect your ROI for a few weeks/months...

Maybe it was overpriced. Maybe the solution was no rocket science. Youtube was no rocket science either nor is Digg..

Blah Blah Blah.. Why do I wake up early on a weekend and reading this....
Off to create my LEONIDUS landing page huhuhuhahahaha..
This is like watching soap though.

Good Luck Bros..

Etherswift · 02-06-2010, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jizzlobber

makemonies has them all beat.

THIIIIIIIS

isn't makemoniesonline.com owned by supernova (uber , w/e) ?

now, think about it this way: uber started this thread and flamed cakes in order to deflect any attention from him and exonerate him of any possible future accusations.

What if Uber is actually collaborating with nickycakes (gets a share of the profit) and provided him with the IPs that visited MMO.com (which were referred from wickedfire) ?

BAHAHAA conspiracy theory ftw =] and it only took me 2 mins to come up with this shit ; then you wonder why the fuck so many fake moon landing / 9-11 conspiracy theories come up

PS: no hard feelings, guys, it's nothing personal.. just a quick thought that sprung to mind while reading the drama around here

unfadable858 · 02-06-2010, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord B

Me thinks you have a hard time getting laid if that is how you dress / look like / party. Not Nicky.

Nicky is not having a hard time getting laid because you blatantly continue to dick ride him in your posts.

jeremystone · 02-06-2010, 08:42 AM

It could be acceptable for other blogger, but not for cakes who made his name bashing others.
So pwned!

BigWill · 02-06-2010, 08:47 AM

Whats funny to me is the guy the OP outed has one of my stolen landers hosted on his server

__Leo__ · 02-06-2010, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unfadable858

Nicky is not having a hard time getting laid because you blatantly continue to dick ride him in your posts.

iPwnNoobs · 02-06-2010, 08:50 AM

damn ya'll are hatin alot for something that really doesn't negatively affect you at all.

damn, get back to workin - although seems like a lot of you ain't doin much workin

as you are jerkin.

Lord B · 02-06-2010, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unfadable858

Nicky is not having a hard time getting laid because you blatantly continue to dick ride him in your posts.

Nope, far from being one. Proof: America Gone Wild! Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains,

unfadable858 · 02-06-2010, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord B

Nope, far from being one. Proof: America Gone Wild! Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains,

Read that thread.. Nickycakes is a bigger douche than I ever imagined..

Your silence really is deafening esp when we see you are logging on and reading all of this.

nickycakes

Last Activity: Today 02:34 AM

Moxxy · 02-06-2010, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g33ks

This question needs to be answered though as its bad on Jon as well as Nicky. They have gained the trust of the entire affiliate community and that trust MAY have been broken.

Did he use his mod status on wickedfire to grab a list of ips in vbulletin?

Use his sig all he wants but when you start taking user ips from the admin system that is another issue.

I seriously don't get why anyone gives a fuck. Until today I assume anyone could trawl IPs with a pixel. I'm sure nicky wasn't the only one doing it. As to whether he used his mod status to extract them directly. That's speculation pure and simple and it's going to be his word against everyone else. Frankly if I was a mod and placed any value at all on the position this is the last place I would be scraping the admin panel from. There's a lot of mods here and it wouldn't be hard for someone to pick up what was happening. Would you risk it when you could get the great majority of them from pixels with impunity?

Unless you plan to live your life behind Tor your IP is public domain wherever you visit.

bb_wolfe · 02-06-2010, 09:47 AM

SOOOOOOO.....

How bout dem Saints? Who dat? Thread has officially become lame as fuck.

Nothin to see here!

ricdes · 02-06-2010, 10:01 AM

the question here is... is nickycakes dennis yu?

070707 · 02-06-2010, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWill

Whats funny to me is the guy the OP outed has one of my stolen landers hosted on his server

The JustinsAbs.com Kid? Too funny. Where are all the trolls from his blog?

Onedollaridea · 02-06-2010, 10:05 AM

yo, i did reverse ip on nicky ages ago and all he had was adult sites. He does that well coz he never gets laid. btw nicky steal my ip and use it on your ip system as it refreshes every few hours for me lol. Good luck mate....

iPwnNoobs · 02-06-2010, 10:10 AM

yawn. heres some thread save. 2x thread saves actually.

Firelead · 02-06-2010, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord B

Nope, far from being one. Proof: America Gone Wild! Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains,

thank you for reminding me about this thread...
I am 5 months late...but I said that it would never happen and that I would link to that post in 1 year...but here is the link for you:

America Gone Wild! Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains,

will link to this post in 1 year.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...45263471.shtml Court Of Appeals Overturns Kentucky Gambling Domain Seizure

Jizzlobber · 02-06-2010, 11:29 AM

I've never ripped a lander - ever. So quite frankly, I don't give a fuck if my IP is on the list. If Nicky is snagging IP's for this purpose, then touche. Some people use this forum as a tool to make money and some people use this forum as a tool to make money.

Up until yesterday, I don't see where anybody (on WF) did not have the opportunity of doing something similar with their sig. I'm not sticking up for the guy, however if any part of Nicky's method for gathering IP's may be considered an abuse of mod privledges, then he should step up and address that concern.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyleirwin

I think it's silly that everybody is shocked that Nick, along with many others, were collecting IPs (along with other data) from pixels in their signatures. Especially because Nick posted about that exact thing months ago and everyone thought it was brilliant....As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites. That is no secret. But we don't simply drop all the IPs into a database and call it a day. All the collected user data (much more than just an IP) is run through our scrubbing algorithm that we have been developing and testing over the last 5 months , to ensure that desirable traffic isn't blacklisted. While it's not absolute perfection (I don't think any algorithm can be), it does do a very good job.

As far as the haters on your system that think they can do better...

Is the data you gathered considered an essential part of a successful solution? If the haters are saying your methods of obtaining data are rather questionable (perhaps more likely because they didn't think of it), then why not salvage your integrity and level the playing field? Why not give out that data to anyone challenging you that they can come up with a better solution? Are you not saying that the data is essentially junk without being filtered through your proprietary algorithms?

mailinatorm2 · 02-06-2010, 11:45 AM

Irony #1 - Nicky is getting busted by the same person he busted a while ago.

Irony #2 - He's making/selling the same bullshit tools that he's criticized others of selling/making.

Irony #3 - He accused on Zac Johnson of not using a Private Whois and now he got caught for the same thing.

Irony #4 - He harvests info (IP's) from the same forum he's modding for. How the hell he got to mod in the first place? Wow.

Irony #5 - He got busted by a mod at the same forum he's a mod for.

Irony #6 - If Uber had made this tool, I'm 110% sure Nicky would have made an exact same post about this and trashed it. But since it's the other way, he first defends it, now he's not even replying. Clearly a double standard.

LMAO

blogspotter · 02-06-2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Irony #6 - If Uber had made this tool, I'm 110% sure Nicky would have made an exact same post about this and trashed it. But since it's the other way, he first defends it, now he's not even replying. Clearly a double standard.

LMAO

^^
Tactful Retreat.. the thread is getting lame anyway..

Rajuthan · 02-06-2010, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailinatorm2

Irony #1 - Nicky is getting busted by the same person he busted a while ago.

Irony #2 - He's making/selling the same bullshit tools that he's criticized others of selling/making.

Irony #3 - He accused on Zac Johnson of not using a Private Whois and now he got caught for the same thing.

Irony #4 - He harvests info (IP's) from the same forum he's modding for. How the hell he got to mod in the first place? Wow.

Irony #5 - He got busted by a mod at the same forum he's a mod for.

Irony #6 - If Uber had made this tool, I'm 110% sure Nicky would have made an exact same post about this and trashed it. But since it's the other way, he first defends it, now he's not even replying. Clearly a double standard.

LMAO

mailinatorm2 · 02-06-2010, 12:35 PM

I don't care if Nicky makes all these tools for his personal gain. More power to him...

But the problem is - he's a fucking hypocrite on so many levels, as it's 100% obvious in thread. The irony is just killing me.

On another note, I've also lost respect for the forum. After reading this thread and this post.

nickycakes · 02-06-2010, 12:38 PM

Hi Friends,

Just to keep everyone updated, addressed the OP's concerns by allowing you to use your own domain for the functions of LP Lockdown. If you're one of our paying members, you'll find details on the dashboard when you log in.

I'd like to mention that not a single person who has actually used LP Lockdown has been in this thread trashing it. On that note, anyone who would like to do a serious review of this product is free to contact me for an invite. I'll gladly refund your money if you aren't satisfied.

As for all the drama:

People have suggested that I should have hidden the fact that I was associated with this product so nobody would try to start any big dramabomb and invite all the people who's awful products I've outed over the years to start threads like these in retaliation.

Instead of hiding it, I decided to put my name all over it, because I know my product is solid, and will actually help affiliates make more money, as it's done for me and many others. I will continue to do so, and I welcome any/all criticism that may be thrown my way. After all, if you can dish it out, you better be able to take it, and I can sure as hell dish it out.

Although not a major issue (you can run a compete.com search on tons of tracking domains, affiliate links, tracking202, etc), I thank Paul for pointing it out so we could add a feature to counter it, which we have.

Any other feature requests, just let me know!

Keep it real.

nickycakes · 02-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxxy

As to whether he used his mod status to extract them directly. That's speculation pure and simple and it's going to be his word against everyone else.

I mod here at WF cause I love this forum and it helped me get started, and anyone who knows me knows I wouldn't abuse my mod status. WF also keeps really detailed logs and we're not big on conflicts of interest here, so rest assured Jon would have banned me sharp-ish if I was pulling some shit like that.

guerilla · 02-06-2010, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickycakes

WF also keeps really detailed logs and we're not big on conflicts of interest here, so rest assured Jon would have banned me sharp-ish if I was pulling some shit like that.

What does this even mean? Why did Stanley disable remote linking of external images if that was the case? Since your system seems to be dependent on gathering affiliate IP data how do you intend to get IP data from WF from this point on? Will you be scraping it directly from the mod control panel @ WF?

How does enabling your secretive data collection here not hurt Jon's brand? I don't see how Jon can be ok with this, and if he was, I suspect that remote image linking would never have been disabled.

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02-06-2010, 03:32 AM	#211 (permalink)
kyleirwin I <3 babies, money & guns Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 1,819 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I'm sorry for the lack of answers that we (Nick and I) have given in this thread. There have surely been some questions asked that deserve to be addressed/answered. MajorBTA made a great point. This service isn't meant as a guarantee that your landing page won't get seen by affiliates, or stolen by landing page thieves. It simply offers several layers of protection to deter thieves. Sure there are work arounds, but they aren't practiced often. All it takes to know that, is seeing your 202 stats thrown off by someone stealing your landing page, and leaving your pixel. If that hasn't happened to you, you're either ungodly lucky, or simply not looking close enough. The beauty of LP Lockdown is that you don't have to look closely, you're notified when it happens! I think it's silly that everybody is shocked that Nick, along with many others, were collecting IPs (along with other data) from pixels in their signatures. Especially because Nick posted about that exact thing months ago and everyone thought it was brilliant. For those not trusting us with your referrer data, please test us. It would be very easy for any of our users to setup a "trap page" in our system. Create a Theft Monitor, Uptime Monitor, or Page Cloaker on a specific page that isn't linked to from anywhere else, and keep an eye on the logs. I can guarantee you, you won't be finding us visiting your page. As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites. That is no secret. But we don't simply drop all the IPs into a database and call it a day. All the collected user data (much more than just an IP) is run through our scrubbing algorithm that we have been developing and testing over the last 5 months , to ensure that desirable traffic isn't blacklisted. While it's not absolute perfection (I don't think any algorithm can be), it does do a very good job. If you're concerned about losing desirable traffic, and therefore conversions... split test it. Run some traffic through our system, and some not, then review the results. See if you're losing conversions. We've done it. A lot. And we know we're not losing sales. We've been continuously testing, tweaking, and improving our system and we're confident it's effective in it's purpose. You also have to keep in mind, much of WickedFire may not be the target audience for this product. Many users on this forum are plenty capable programmers, though I'm constantly surprised by the overwhelming amount of affiliates who are not. If you're capable and willing to attempt to create a similar functioning script for yourself... by all means, do it. The fact is, that is not an option for most affiliates, and that is exactly who this service is intended for. We have many more additions coming out in our service, but this thread has expedited a couple of them... Cloaking API During our beta period, users had access to an API to allow them to cloak visitors on the server side, before any of their client side code was ever served to a visitor. We took this out at launch time, to simplify the service. Much of the feedback we got during our beta testing was to simplify the service, so we did. But, because it does offer an advantage is many situations, the API access has been re-enabled. Your Own Domain / Private [Dedicated] IPs We also now offer the option for all users to serve the scripts and pixels on their own domains, rather than just the 11i.us domain. Dedicated IPs will also be available soon, to even further enhance privacy. Since the day we launched beta, LP Lockdown has been doing exactly what it was designed to do... notify users when their sites go down, cloaking away unwanted visitors, notifying users of theft, and enabling them to take back control of their stolen websites. We know it works, and I believe any of our users can attest to that. We've put a lot of time and energy into developing this product and truly feel it is an asset to our industry, and a great value to all of it's intended users. You don't have to blindly believe in the product, but please don't blindly bash it either, without even seeing as much as the user interface. We believe in it, and that's why we're happy to offer a prompt refund to anybody that signs up to our service, and isn't satisfied with it. Thanks for the read. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Nobody ever lost their shirt with their sleeves rolled up.

02-06-2010, 04:42 AM	#214 (permalink)
__Leo__ Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Went to sleep, woke up and drama level went from 4 to 17 zillion trillion. Sleep again. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 04:47 AM	#215 (permalink)
KtotheC112 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 38 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I look like Nicky Cakes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 04:57 AM	#217 (permalink)
Webwonder Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247 iTrader: 0 / 0%	At first cakes was like up here _______________ and now he's like down here_______________??? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 05:01 AM	#218 (permalink)
Webwonder Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,247 iTrader: 0 / 0%	but I aint mad at him... I'm sure he'll take plenty of suckers monies just like the ppc coaches of the industry. FAKE IT TILL YA MAKE IT! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 05:36 AM	#220 (permalink)
GooeySlate Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 17 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Ban Nickycakes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 07:38 AM	#222 (permalink)
g33ks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 155 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Can't knock a guy for trying to make some money and who cares if his tool is helpful or not, everyone can make their own decision. He's been very smart not responding to much in this thread as it will just cause more heat. I am sure he would rather this thread go away. But if you are going to dish it out then you need to take it as well. The more he responds to accusations the bigger the drama will become. This question needs to be answered though as its bad on Jon as well as Nicky. They have gained the trust of the entire affiliate community and that trust MAY have been broken. Did he use his mod status on wickedfire to grab a list of ips in vbulletin? Use his sig all he wants but when you start taking user ips from the admin system that is another issue. I think both Jon and Nicky need to respond to this and until they do this thread shouldn't go away. If it was the other way around Nicky sure wouldn't let it go away. He is quick to drill others when he sees something he doesn't like going on in the industry but now when its his time to answer questions he is nowhere to be found. This answer by his partner in the above post is insufficient... "As to how our blacklists are built, mostly logs from pixels on known "affiliate hang out" websites." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 08:08 AM	#224 (permalink)
__Leo__ Banned Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 08:31 AM	#226 (permalink)
BeerHat Marketing Machine Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 644 iTrader: 15 / 100%	I don't see how nickybakescakes can still be a mod here after this shit storm. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Submit A Tutorial-Get 2 Free Links

02-06-2010, 08:34 AM	#227 (permalink)
blogspotter WF Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Interwebz Posts: 2,441 iTrader: 40 / 100%	Fact of the matter is that AM is highly commoditized. You creatives will be copied, your LP will be copied, your traffic sources will be outbid, your margin undercut. The idea is to keep running.. Nicky offered a solution to protect your ROI for a few weeks/months... Maybe it was overpriced. Maybe the solution was no rocket science. Youtube was no rocket science either nor is Digg.. Blah Blah Blah.. Why do I wake up early on a weekend and reading this.... Off to create my LEONIDUS landing page huhuhuhahahaha.. This is like watching soap though. Good Luck Bros.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 08:42 AM	#230 (permalink)
jeremystone Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0%	It could be acceptable for other blogger, but not for cakes who made his name bashing others. So pwned! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 08:47 AM	#231 (permalink)
BigWill A Living Legend. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nebraska Posts: 2,907 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Whats funny to me is the guy the OP outed has one of my stolen landers hosted on his server Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

02-06-2010, 09:47 AM	#237 (permalink)
bb_wolfe Medicinal KFC Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,119 iTrader: 7 / 100%	SOOOOOOO..... How bout dem Saints? Who dat? Thread has officially become lame as fuck. Nothin to see here! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________

02-06-2010, 10:01 AM	#238 (permalink)
ricdes LIBTARD Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zurich-London-NY Posts: 1,689 iTrader: 4 / 100%	the question here is... is nickycakes dennis yu? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Twitter them ricdes's

02-06-2010, 10:05 AM	#240 (permalink)
Onedollaridea Black Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 921 iTrader: 22 / 100%	yo, i did reverse ip on nicky ages ago and all he had was adult sites. He does that well coz he never gets laid. btw nicky steal my ip and use it on your ip system as it refreshes every few hours for me lol. Good luck mate.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Check your fricken grammar and spelling!!

02-06-2010, 11:45 AM	#244 (permalink)
mailinatorm2 yo Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 756 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Irony #1 - Nicky is getting busted by the same person he busted a while ago. Irony #2 - He's making/selling the same bullshit tools that he's criticized others of selling/making. Irony #3 - He accused on Zac Johnson of not using a Private Whois and now he got caught for the same thing. Irony #4 - He harvests info (IP's) from the same forum he's modding for. How the hell he got to mod in the first place? Wow. Irony #5 - He got busted by a mod at the same forum he's a mod for. Irony #6 - If Uber had made this tool, I'm 110% sure Nicky would have made an exact same post about this and trashed it. But since it's the other way, he first defends it, now he's not even replying. Clearly a double standard. LMAO Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Got gaming campaigns? HIT ME UP. Got gaming traffic? HIT ME UP.

02-06-2010, 12:35 PM	#247 (permalink)
mailinatorm2 yo Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 756 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I don't care if Nicky makes all these tools for his personal gain. More power to him... But the problem is - he's a fucking hypocrite on so many levels, as it's 100% obvious in thread. The irony is just killing me. On another note, I've also lost respect for the forum. After reading this thread and this post. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Got gaming campaigns? HIT ME UP. Got gaming traffic? HIT ME UP.

02-06-2010, 12:38 PM	#248 (permalink)
nickycakes Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sin City Posts: 3,187 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Hi Friends, Just to keep everyone updated, addressed the OP's concerns by allowing you to use your own domain for the functions of LP Lockdown. If you're one of our paying members, you'll find details on the dashboard when you log in. I'd like to mention that not a single person who has actually used LP Lockdown has been in this thread trashing it. On that note, anyone who would like to do a serious review of this product is free to contact me for an invite. I'll gladly refund your money if you aren't satisfied. As for all the drama: People have suggested that I should have hidden the fact that I was associated with this product so nobody would try to start any big dramabomb and invite all the people who's awful products I've outed over the years to start threads like these in retaliation. Instead of hiding it, I decided to put my name all over it, because I know my product is solid, and will actually help affiliates make more money, as it's done for me and many others. I will continue to do so, and I welcome any/all criticism that may be thrown my way. After all, if you can dish it out, you better be able to take it, and I can sure as hell dish it out. Although not a major issue (you can run a compete.com search on tons of tracking domains, affiliate links, tracking202, etc), I thank Paul for pointing it out so we could add a feature to counter it, which we have. Any other feature requests, just let me know! Keep it real. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ OFFICIAL WICKEDFIRE CENSOR Nickycakes.com: Reformed Blackhat Nickycakes' Newbie Guide #cakes irc.freenode.net

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