ricdes

wow seriously? how can you trust ANYONE in this industry?...

as mbta said, IP grabbing on WF has been practiced by any big (and smart) affiliate for a LONG time. Nicky just went over the board with it by trying to make money off that list the wrong way.

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ap121

LMAO!!! Nice one.

This seems like Bangkok Airport though.

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somebody

To those uncomfortable about IPs being collected: use a proxy while visiting forums.

About LPLockdown

A significant percentage of the IPs collected from here are dynamic IPs. There is no "sophisticated algorithm" which can determine dynamic IPs with 100% accuracy. Reason: mainly, you only have the following data: browser details, IP/ISP details, time details. Those are NOT ENOUGH to make a determination which is 90-100% accurate.

Other problems: Nicky is popular here, so managed to collect a lot of IPs from WickedFire. However, the IPs are mostly from WickedFire only. DigitalPoint and WarriorForum have a lot of marketers ranging from stupid to somewhat smart. Nobody has managed to collect any significant amount of IPs from there so far (yes, I am going out on a limb and assuming this, but I believe I am right).

Now, the truly smart people use proxies, so their IPs are never gathered. You cannot stop them from stealing your landing pages. If the argument is that it is to prevent the stupid people from stealing, there are a lot of stupid people coming from WaFo and DP, and there is no way to prevent them.

So, the problem is, you have a lot of "stupid IPs" which have never been collected, and the smart ones whose IPs have been collected will know how to access the right landing pages by using different IPs.

Regarding the launch: I see similarities with the Tracking202 launch. When they launched, Wes was banned from WickedFire for keeping users' data. Nobody trusted it. Then they came with the self-hosted version, Prosper202. This is what made the product "acceptable" to many. (Just to be fair: Wes or whoever it was from the Tracking202 team was banned because he pitched the product here. Nicky never did that ever, it has been others talking about his product). LPLockdown has the same problem because the core product and the data is being stored on someone else's servers. Until it is self-hosted....

Last words: at least, he had the idea to create something like this, and he managed to finish the product, and release it. The posts piling up on to this thread will just be more free publicity for him. And of course, Jon will be happy - 14000+ views the last time I checked. And the guys who want to rant, get their chance to rant as well. Good for everyone.

evelynds

depends... certain eu countries treat ip addresses as personal properties now, along the line of passports and personal id's. even so, i don't believe anyone sued another person over publishing their ip address, so far...

the ip's being used for financial gain could suddenly provide a fully solid case though.

nl example; http://www.dutchdpa.nl/Pages/en_pb_2..._internet.aspx

xmcp123

There were a lot of other people collecting IPs in this manner. But really what it comes down to: If you had an image in your sig, the apache log file would have all the IPs a specialized system like this would have. We can't ban someone for hosting an image on a platform that supports logging.

Nicky's blog proudly proclaims him to be a "mostly reformed blackhat"...
So what would you propose we do?

-Ban people for posting images to places that have web server logs turned on(which we can't tell)?

-Ban people for examining those logs (which we can't tell)

-Ban people only when the system is setup explicitly to log(which we generally can't tell)

-Ban people who sell the data (of dynamic IP's?)

There's no real, consistent way to implement any rule similar to what you talk about.

My advice? You have a hosts file. Use it.

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stickycarrots

Collecting IPs from WF is nothing new:
WickedFire AIM Bar

I don't really see the big issue with it.

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seems like this is the new 'shooting the shit' now.

this deserves some more views:

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More of this plz kthxbye

nm found its http://suicidegirls.com/members/Miss...ms/site/13576/

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why would you ... we read your PM's daily. why is this such a shit storm.

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First that neck-lick shot video and now this ?

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Meh, pretty much the same thing.

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justo_tx

It's not, the sense of indignation here is hilarious, but nicky should lose mod status, not because of some fictional breach of trust (on a message board of all things people get serious) but because now that sig pixels are a no no it would be extremely likely that he would start to abuse mod privileges to keep his product up to date.

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xmcp123

Fact: Wickedfire's database is too fragile to scrape.

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Let this be a lesson to you kids.... "Once a blackhat, always a blackhat..." </sarcasm>

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Refrozen

lolwhat.

I just noticed this and PMed you. I also checked my email three times to make sure that I hadn't just recently missed something, but no, I've responded to every single email in my WP Smart Tools inbox, with the exception of one called "FREE GAMBLING MONEY ONLINE" which was just spam. :-)

If I'm not receiving your emails, or you're not sending them, feel free to grab me on AIM (wpquickaffiliate) or via PM here.

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Paying $50 for something that is rendered useless by a $2 payment. Almost good enough to be part of LPLockdown 2.0.

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I don't get why everyone is focusing on the quality of the product or its glorified IP list. Yes, the product is at best useless, you are creating a new footprint, you are exposing your campaigns to someone with rather questionable motives and in return you get to dickroll some Indian schmuck or redirect Wagenheimers WF gang (that is if they manage to actually upload the files). But it's not like anyone here actually has a problem with selling shitty products.

I'm also not sure why everyone is so hung up on the whole IP logging issue: They have less information on you than any site you've visited in the past. There is no way to properly scrub the list and have anywhere near 150k records. The question is not if they have false positives but how many and whether you're only going to lose out on a sale or risk getting your account banned. Oh and the upside? Possibly educating some DP member about the wonders of spinning genitals. Which you get to pay $50 for.

Oh and I particular loved the challenge to split test their list of random IPs vs. not gambling with your account. I'm not really surprised they say they saw no difference whatsoever. The thing is, there is virtually no way that any 150k blacklisted IPs will, not with 1500 MM assigned IPs in the US alone. The numbers would have been the same whether they scrubbed the original list or not.

You are paying Nick $50 a month and taking a gamble on them not jacking your campaign, them not blocking an adwords rep and/or real customer so that at best you are where you would have been without the service. Essentially you are paying someone to drive potential customers to your website and then paying these guys to make sure not all of them get to see it and trusting them to not fuck it up. Brilliant.

But in any case, as Nickycakes said, those that are satisfied with the product haven't posted in the thread, implying either that he has no happy customers or.. Eh, let's not kid ourselves. What I instead want to know is how someone could look at this and actually decide to go ahead with it. I don't see the subscriber base peaking at more than 150 customers. And I'm sure Nick wasn't expecting people to circle jerk over it. Almost looks like someone is desperate for cash. Which ironically I believe he said about Paul back then.

mailinatorm2

^^ Being an Indian myself, I find your reference to "some Indian schmuck" highly offensive and stereotypical, and ignorant.

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LotsOfZeros

Lets not start the semantics debate again.
He wasn't saying all Indians are schmucks OK?
... so damned sensitive.

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gopher

Pretend I meant you if that makes you feel better.

Or accept the fact that a lot of DP newbs are Indian selling each other $5 Adsense books with resell rights and thus it kind makes sense.

P.S. Interesting use of stereotypical there.
P.P.S Calling someone ignorant solely because you happened to be of that nationality is rather narrow minded, no? It's almost like the story about the pot and the kettle and stuff.

somebody

@gopher: Actually, there is less chance of anyone from India falling for it, because most of them have dynamic IPs which change every time they connect.

@mailinatorm: Call him back - say that he is an English schmuck. Problem solved.

Many "popular" guys here had signatures probably meant for IP collection - in one case, it was so obvious to me because the image was of 1*1 size.

Another point: no offense meant to these guys, but: for a while, I thought popeye and hellblazer were jobless guys hired by someone to start controversial threads here, while that guy (the one who hired them) posted in the same page with an image signature, collecting the IPs. I just could not believe that they were real. Took me a while to realize it wasn't so.

If somebody collects my IPs, they will end up with hundreds of proxy IPs, and a few IPs of airports, hotels and other public places. Considering the fact that there are others accessing forums like me, and considering the dynamic IPs, 150,000 is a possible figure.
Though a significant percentage of those IPs will be useless.

johnysc430

[QUOTE=xmcp123;760918]There were a lot of other people collecting IPs in this manner. But really what it comes down to: If you had an image in your sig, the apache log file would have all the IPs a specialized system like this would have. We can't ban someone for hosting an image on a platform that supports logging.


Nicky's blog proudly proclaims him to be a "mostly reformed blackhat"...

So what would you propose we do?

I never asked for him to be banned, I just don't think he should be a mod here.

It almost sounds like you're defending what he did, he mined all the ip's here and now is selling a service to block them from other people's landing pages. I wouldn't mind if he was doing it on his own stuff, but seriously come on.


when you say stuff like
Nicky's blog proudly proclaims him to be a "mostly reformed blackhat"...

Does that mean he can stuff affiliate cookies here because he's a reformed blackhat?


Bottom line it's not taking any money out of my pocket. I do feel it is very sketchy though.

I'm not posting in this thread anymore.

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lol he has a criminal record too... have to be an absolute fucking idiot to trust him with anything

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defelice

i want to see these other records. havent been able to find anything though

defelice

dude... no disrespect but take that from the perspective of an employer. If someone had a bad past you'd be more likely to not hire that individual. This applies also with someone containing precious information of yours. I personally have nothing against nickycakes and I dont give a fuck if he has a past or not from a personal standpoint, it just serves for some good drama. I think this has also got blown way out of proportion.

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I guess I'm different (and maybe a little biased). I look at a person's ability and work ethic and don't care too much about what they did in the past because the only difference between someone with a record and someone without is that the people with a record got caught. If any of you guys are without blame, or sin, or a past, or whatever then cast your stones. Otherwise just be glad you grew up before you got caught and stop being so quick to pass judgment on someone for something you don't even know about.

I'm sure Cakes can defend himself and I don't even know the guy but enough is enough.

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It's entirely relevant. If people are going to trust their livelihood with this joker they should know that he has a criminal past.

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The title of his blog is "reformed black hat", that should be clue enough of his online background. His offline background is nobody's business because it's irrelevant to the product he is selling.

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I just lol'd again reading this thread.