Jon crazy? ...... - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

wratom · 02-13-2007, 03:53 PM

crazy as a fox.....

I know this was just posted in the industry new section but not sure how many people check it.

It seems shoemoney just posted on his blog confirming the government is looking into the ringtone industry.

Government Ringtone Crackdown - I Got A Visit, Will You?

wratom · 02-13-2007, 03:54 PM

State Of Florida Investigating Ringtone Offers - ShoeMoney™

Xrproto · 02-13-2007, 03:56 PM

Why would he be crazy? Shit like this happens all the time in all different kinds of industries.

Edit: I read up on it and see why you posted it because some people didn't believe him...

John · 02-13-2007, 04:10 PM

yes.

mkrongel · 02-13-2007, 04:20 PM

Ultimately it is the responsibility of the advertiser to police its affiliates. I remember about 2 years ago some advertiser got in to trouble for what its affiliates had done, i forget the name of the exact company but the ruling was that the advertiser needed to put in place mechanisms and processes to police their affiliates.

If you're an affiliate or affiliate network i wouldn't put much weight in to the AG coming after you unless you conspired with the advertiser to purposely defraud and mislead consumers.

A lot of times these legal statements are more fluff and BS than anything else. I am sure there is an election coming up in FL which is why the AG is getting aggressive on these matters, it looks good when they campaign.

Andrew · 02-13-2007, 04:32 PM

Were the hell did Jon claim he was raided? He just said he recieved a visit.

Phazar · 02-13-2007, 04:39 PM

he's nuts

mkrongel · 02-13-2007, 04:48 PM

I heard the FBI raided dunkin donuts armed with cell phones and demanded their double mocha latte with whip pronto

Edit: there were no "bonus ringtones" in their cell phones

Jon · 02-13-2007, 05:42 PM

This is quoted directly from Shoemoney's blog:

Quote:

They said at this time it is a civil action (not criminal). They named Shawn Collins and Jon as well as affiliate networks like Azoogleads who came forward in cooperation to help them understand the industry. They were very clear they are not raiding houses or breaking down doors or knocking on random people who are promoting ringtone offers.

They asked me to reach out to any longtime affiliates who have knowledge of how Blinko or Jamster offers have been promoted to please give them a call (850) 766-2889. Ask for either Robert Schara or Jon Gillman.

So could we see some affiliates going to jail over this? Well again at this point it is just a civil action but I suspect it could turn criminal very fast if specific people were found to be fraudulently representing offers.

Funny how all of those people who claimed I was lying about it never again IM'ed me about it or said another goddamn thing (aside for those whom were banned). No apologies, no nothing.

sknydave · 02-13-2007, 05:47 PM

I still don't understand why anyone would think you were lying about that? How in the hell could you possibly gain anything from lying about this?

cyberworkspace · 02-13-2007, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon

This is quoted directly from Shoemoney's blog:
Funny how all of those people who claimed I was lying about it never again IM'ed me about it or said another goddamn thing (aside for those whom were banned). No apologies, no nothing.

"It's a good rule in life never to apologize. The right sort of people don't want apologies, and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them."
Pelham Grenville Wodehouse (1881 - 1975)

John · 02-13-2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberworkspace

"It's a good rule in life never to apologize. The right sort of people don't want apologies, and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them."
Pelham Grenville Wodehouse (1881 - 1975)

What does that guy know, he was born in 1881

Ben · 02-13-2007, 07:27 PM

You fools... Jon bartered 3 pr8 links for shoemoney to say that.

EduardoM3 · 02-13-2007, 07:34 PM

Sucks for everyone that has their foot in their mouth.

GameCode3 · 02-13-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben

You fools... Jon bartered 3 pr8 links for shoemoney to say that.

I think you'll find that the big-timers are going to scramble to be the helping/innocent informant in all the ringtone offer abuse in the hopes that they'll avoid prosecution when the case turns criminal for mis-representing what the consumer will get by clicking through their Ads.

Basically the first few in there to rat-out the people that were openly abusing these consumers, well, they'll get a free-pass.

Expect to see a lot of this from the big-guys soon.

Faux outrage will continue in blog posts and other media.

Xrproto · 02-13-2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon

This is quoted directly from Shoemoney's blog:

Funny how all of those people who claimed I was lying about it never again IM'ed me about it or said another goddamn thing (aside for those whom were banned). No apologies, no nothing.

I know I'm slow when it comes to this drama bs 'cause I don't pay much attention to it but...come on. I don't even know you and wouldn't think or say you are lying when you posted that, I have no reason to...yet.

02-13-2007, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
wratom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manhattan Posts: 110 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Jon crazy? ...... crazy as a fox..... I know this was just posted in the industry new section but not sure how many people check it. It seems shoemoney just posted on his blog confirming the government is looking into the ringtone industry. Government Ringtone Crackdown - I Got A Visit, Will You?

02-13-2007, 03:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Xrproto Waste of e-space Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,876 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Why would he be crazy? Shit like this happens all the time in all different kinds of industries. Edit: I read up on it and see why you posted it because some people didn't believe him... __________________ I can assure you I am as insane as the next man.

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mkrongel Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,409 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Ultimately it is the responsibility of the advertiser to police its affiliates. I remember about 2 years ago some advertiser got in to trouble for what its affiliates had done, i forget the name of the exact company but the ruling was that the advertiser needed to put in place mechanisms and processes to police their affiliates. If you're an affiliate or affiliate network i wouldn't put much weight in to the AG coming after you unless you conspired with the advertiser to purposely defraud and mislead consumers. A lot of times these legal statements are more fluff and BS than anything else. I am sure there is an election coming up in FL which is why the AG is getting aggressive on these matters, it looks good when they campaign. __________________ Mike Krongel President/Founder www.IntermarkMedia.com www.Copeac.com email mike at intermarkmedia.com 631-719-1250 x 3121 AIM: my user name

02-13-2007, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkrongel Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,409 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I heard the FBI raided dunkin donuts armed with cell phones and demanded their double mocha latte with whip pronto Edit: there were no "bonus ringtones" in their cell phones __________________ Mike Krongel President/Founder www.IntermarkMedia.com www.Copeac.com email mike at intermarkmedia.com 631-719-1250 x 3121 AIM: my user name

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wratom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manhattan Posts: 110 iTrader: 0 / 0%	State Of Florida Investigating Ringtone Offers - ShoeMoney™

02-13-2007, 04:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,034 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Were the hell did Jon claim he was raided? He just said he recieved a visit.

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Phazar Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 / 0%	he's nuts

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sknydave Takanori Gomi > You Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 590 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I still don't understand why anyone would think you were lying about that? How in the hell could you possibly gain anything from lying about this?

02-13-2007, 07:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ben Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago NWS Posts: 1,373 iTrader: 0 / 0%	You fools... Jon bartered 3 pr8 links for shoemoney to say that. __________________

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EduardoM3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 129 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Sucks for everyone that has their foot in their mouth.

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