geekcognito

Er...yeah. The same article that says this:

"During intense exercise, such as sprinting type activities, when the rate of demand for energy is high, lactate is produced faster than the ability of the tissues to remove it and lactate concentration begins to rise. This is a beneficial process since the regeneration of NAD+ ensures that energy production is maintained and exercise can continue."

And yeah, it's probably best for you to go ahead and leave it alone. According to you, lactic acid doesn't even exist and it's impossible to even grow muscle to begin with.

I'm not posting in this thread to "win" an argument. I'm just making sure that the misinformation that you're posting is being properly debunked.

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cyberworkspace

if you have any chance to get into a good program with nautilus, you can experience what i mean. is there any medx training center in your city? i have no idea how they would be called in the states, as the franchise i am working with is european only. but as they are american made machines, you must have some training facility that utilizes this training methodology.

just so that this does not get into a language problem: by sore you mean some type of pain wáfterwards, right ? and not just feeling fatigues and powered out?

sore, like feeling a little pain the next day when you move your limbs? well, yes. you can do heavy heavy training without ever having to experience this kind of pain again.

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cyberworkspace

don't quote me wrong. i said "lactic acid does not exists in the body".
lactate is NOT lactic acid.

so, please don't start lying.

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geekcognito

Goddamn, you're stupid. Did your parents have any kids that lived?

"In animals, L-lactate is constantly produced from pyruvate via the enzymelactate dehydrogenase (LDH) in a process of fermentation during normal metabolism and exercise. It does not increase in concentration until the rate of lactate production exceeds the rate of lactate removal which is governed by a number of factors including: monocarboxylate transporters, concentration and isoform of LDH and oxidative capacity of tissues. The concentration of blood lactate is usually 1-2 mmol/L at rest, but can rise to over 20 mmol/L during intense exertion."


Give it a rest already.

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dealasite

Jon, if you want to gain muscle mass the natural way, go get some protein powder. Intake 1 gram of protein for every pound of body weight daily. (i.e. If you weigh 150lbs, intake 150 grams/day). This is way above the RDA amounts, but works well if you're weight training at least 4 hours/week.

You can't live off protein alone, so make sure you're eating a good diet and getting plenty of calories (and rest). For gaining mass, I'd recommend a diet of 40% carbs, 40% protein, 20% fat. Hire a personal trainer and they will custom make a plan for you.

As for soreness being bad, that's a crock. I've been exercising/training for several years now and being a little sore means you're making progress.

Laura

I don't mean like aching joints or anything - I just mean sore muscles. The kind of soreness that has occured for the couple of days after each good workout my entire life. I just can't imagine a good ass kicking without that soreness... I would miss it too much...

I have trained on Nautilus before. I really can't stand going to the gym, though. I'm much more of a you-can-work-out-anywhere kind of girl. I prefer to run or walk. Nothing too crazy, it's just that when you have only 30 minutes to do something, you have to make the most of it!

Laura

geekcognito

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's totally natural to have some soreness in your muscles after an invigorating workout. I have no idea what this guy is talking about. It seems like no matter how many credible references I put up, he refuses to actually read them and realize he's wrong. But whatever. I'm not here to argue with anyone, just make sure that his stupidity isn't taken seriously.

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cyberworkspace

hmm. funny. all you are writing about, is lactate.

have you some article containing info about lactic acid? remember? this was about the effects of lactic acid, not lactate

once more for you ignoramus: lactic acid is not produced in the human body. google for some guy named robergs, if you don't believe me. you will probably not understand a single word he is writing about, but at least give it a try. i am not getting paid to teach you prinicples in biochemistry

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geekcognito

Here you go, shitforbrains. I posted this article in an earlier post. you just chose to ignore it:

Lactic Acid Is Not Muscles' Foe, It's Fuel - New York Times

"Lactic acid is actually a fuel, not a caustic waste product. Muscles make it deliberately, producing it from glucose, and they burn it to obtain energy. The reason trained athletes can perform so hard and so long is because their intense training causes their muscles to adapt so they more readily and efficiently absorb lactic acid."

Now go get your fucking shine box.

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cyberworkspace

yeah, then we mean the same when we talk about sore muscles no, i haven't had this for the last three years and i am working out good twice a week, sometimes three.

i have had it in the beginning of course, because i wanted to really get things moving and constantly overworked myself, with the result of not being able to train properly the next time i was due to train.

but i overcame this, as i was starting to experience far more better results once i realised, that you not only need to be disciplined when it comes to reaching your training limits, but also when it comes to staying within the limits.

so, the nautilus method has definitely helped me a lot. i go for training, work out (in fact so much i can barely walk afterwards) and half an hour to an hour later i am tired but absolutely painless. and so i am the next day, the day after until i start to train again. the secret lies in slow movements, the 90 seconds / 10 repeats rule.

actually, i have even no idea, whether it is called the nautilus method but i call it that way because i have been teached oin nautilus medx machines

i will never ever go back to the methods i used once, because hurting muscles after training is definitely a thing of the past and so yesterday

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cyberworkspace

you need to understand that i am not discussing this matter any longer with you as you cannot refrain from using personal insults. and i hope that i don't need to point out how you contradict yourself, by first claiming that lactic acid is the cause of muscle pain and in the next source you post, it is the source of fuel for the muscle so, you really should get an opinion yourself before posting link after link, of which you only tend to read the headlines as it seems. but knowledge actually comes from reading books as a whole and secondly from understanding what is written in them

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znine

Dear god, I feel really bad for anybody who really wanted to learn something to improve themselves. Soreness != pain. Stop arguing about this because you clearly either have come to the wrong conclusions given good information or you just simply are having a communication breakdown.

As for bulking/cutting it's definitely possible to do this in a safe and healthy way. No one's going to promote so called "dirty bulks" (eg. eating all the salty fatty fast food you can get your hands on) as being healthy but there's no reason to dismiss bulking up because some people gain 75lbs of fat just to get a few more lbs of muscle. The truth is, you're going to gain a bit of fat when building muscle unless you have some ungodly way to know exactly what your body needs or you have excellent bodybuilder genetics. If you had the genes that make gaining muscle easy, you wouldn't be a skinny bastard now. You can, however, minimize the fat gain and make bulking a healthy process.

For a general rule of thumb avoid weight machines and corporate/fad diets and workout programs like the plague. If these are effective they're almost always just repackaging the same basic techniques that people have been using forever.

If you're a skinny bastard and need some motivation I strongly suggest you read this: What every skinny guy should know...

znine

Sure, the average woman would be fine with a skinny guy who treats her right. I don't like to settle for average.

Check out this article which is linked from that "What every skinny guy should know" article above. Welcome to AJC! | ajc.com

This couldn't be more true.

John

here, I'll end this right now


eat as much as you can + workout = get big

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Laura

So I guess really the issue is (and the link you posted backs this up): If you are guy looking for little more than sex and casual relationships, you are going to have a far easier time getting that if you are built. Just keep in mind that bodies change, but rarely people do. We are who we are and some muscles can't hide that. So what's left when the six pack fades and the tan you had is no longer perfect?

Speaking as a woman, who also knows plenty of women, I can safely say that there is nothing average about a man (or woman) who has character and brains packaged in a skinny exterior (or overweight, or funny shaped, or whatever). Had we had this conversation when I was 21, it would have been totally different. At 28, I know better.

Laura

guysmy

Instead of arguing... it would be cool if someone posted a wickedfire workout thread. Something us skinny guys that sit in front of the computer too much can do every day to shape up.

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mason

damnit cyberworkspace you are pissing me off. everything you have said makes me want to punch you in the ovaries.

chucktown has got most of it right.

I'm pretty sure you're just fighting back to annoy people bu