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John Vanhara’s Blog » Is Jeremy Shoemaker a.k.a. SHOEMONEY scam?

I found this to be an interesting read.
You decide.

Especially after recent chrislingle incident, this just got me thinking - who's real online and who is full of shit poser? Seems like you really have to know who you trust nowadays.

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Max

Yea, he must be right -- he's a scam because he doesn't live in Hollywood or New York.

That's where I stopped reading.

illusion

I stopped caring there.

DruSam

yawn. why do people care that much what shoemoney is doing? go test shit yourself, find your own way. I want to know how much is in my bank account, could care less about Shoes account.

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Aequitas

He seems to like depicting some people its funny because I always hate people who use the stock Blogger Templates, oh look he has spent the $2 bucks for his own Domain Name though, how nice, too bad he cannot design worth of shit.

Wait this is supposed to be about ShoeMoney I forgot, thats how I felt about reading this crap, I could care less if someone makes $5K or $50K I care if their giving me quality information or not, sure the guy making $50K could be doing something better then the guy making $5K but.......wait off topic again fuck.

So my point, well I don't have one other then that he took some other dudes advice and decided to try out a post that could spark some contravercy, I bet he even tried to submit it to digg.

Xrproto

What the fuck? I live in NE and yes the winters blows ass but come on. Does family mean anything?

Bah whatever I can do the same shit he just pulled about anyone. Conspiracy theories are fun to make up.

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arz

I bet he faked the whole fat thing, too.





(I'm kidding, folks...)

Ma$e

What a waste of my time even reading that...who gives a fuck. He drops some good info on his blog (sometimes) and his radio show is cool - so really who give s flying fuck about what cars he drives and where he lives...

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jened

well you need to have a big rep at times ... how many people signed up for auctionads just because his name was on the program and not because of the features?

ps i thought he faked the whole bald thing arz

int_josh

That's a good attitude.

However, in my opinion, there should always be a reference for growth of some sorts.

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guysmy

Ingvar Kamprad, founder of IKEA drives a 1993 volvo. The net worth Forbes came up with must be a crock.

Source: Ingvar Kamprad

What cracks me up about that link bait article is the author assumes shoemoney thinks the same way he does, and since he spends his money and lives differently, he must be lieing about his earnings.

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pocketrockets

I would've called that link-bait but after reading his post I don't think he is smart enough to know what it is.

Why does that sound "fishy"? He had a ton of natural traffic. Also, it's never really been a secret to a few of the ringtone sites he owns. It doesn't take much digging to figure it out.

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Ben

Sounds like anouther case of epenis envy.

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capitalistpig

Yeah, the worlds 2nd wealthiest man, Warren Buffet, lives in Nebraska.

After reading that post, it's clear to me that the guy is probably still a teenager, has no money, and too much time on his hands. If he'd stop fucking around and worry about his own business, maybe he'd make a buck or two.

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illusion

Nobody can beat mine

nachoninja

So you would still know who he was and read his blog if he didn't flash around his paychecks and hummer pics, rofl

all these responses are typical for the shoemoney sheep

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Andrew

I'm betting he also visits Wal Mart frequently.

Aequitas

Does it count that I signed up because of the features?

haha no seriously I did, at the time there was no real products to promote on one of my blogs but there was a shit load of eBay things to promote and then out of no where this comes out and in my opinion works pretty good.

jened

why give shoe your niches and an eventual cut of your profit once the free trial ends when there are free scripts that do the same thing? or is this way better than anything else out there? personally i'd give it a try if i had something suitable, i'm not knocking the program.

illusion

You could use that mentality for anything. Why give google your niches? Why give Azoogle your niches? Why give Copeac your niches?

But granted there is a eBay aff program so I guess you could use that, but with AuctionAds you get a better payout due to the volume. What free script can signup 5000 people to eBay and get you to that next tier with the script owner not taking a cut for 6 months?

engaged

you mean shoemoney might exaggerate... NOT HIM.... OH NOEZ.

Aequitas

Umm Yeah.........well ok now I don't have a response to jened because this pretty much sums it up.

jened

that's cool - so after 6 months, then it might be time to evaluate? i'm just trying to figure out what way to go myself. like i said, i don't have any current sites, but may try to set some up next week.

illusion

Yeah exactly, use these 6 months to your advantage

Bluesaga

id imagine once shoe gets into the highest tier (if he isnt already) he'll keep the highest tier earnings for himself and everyone else have the tier below thats earnings.

Hell he could even make money from people not meeting the minimum payout rate.

Ma$e

I listen to Shawn Collin's radio and read to his blog, does that make me a Shawn Collins sheep? He talks about affiliate shit, I'm an affiliate, so I listen to it. It's as simple as that.

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Kieron

Sorry to take this thread off topic but the above comment intrigued me.

So you "hate" people who use Blogger stock templates? Any reason for this? I use a Blogger stock template. And the reason I do is that "I cannot design worth of shit" as you so eloquently put it.

So does this mean by blog is rubbish and you hate it? Does it mean I won't get anyone reading it? Or maybe I won't get listed in the serps because it is a "stock template". Or maybe it just looks ugly? Please tell me your reasoning behind these comments.

Just so you know although I cannot "design worth of shit" I do employ a team of designers. And the reason why I haven't asked them to redesign my blog in a custom template is because its just not a priority. My business is Affiliate Marketing and they are far too busy making websites and projects that earn money. My blog is just a hobby, something self indulgent. Sure it does make money but thats more accident than design.

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Setec

Shoemoney has a lot more stuff on the record to prove he's legit than chrislingle ever did.

My one complaint about him is that his blog has so much junk mixed in with the occasional good post. For every one that gives you useful info, there are five or ten boring industry gossip posts with radio or conference news or gifts somebody mailed him or something. Trim away that fat from his blog and it'd be comparable to Jon's.

Then again... maybe some people like it that way.

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cylai

It's his blog, he can do whatever he likes.

I do agree that his blog is quite crappy with occassional good pots, and the number of quality posts are decreasing.

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Ma$e

Yeah I totally agree with that too.. Diorex's blog has the best affiliate info I've seen in a while

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feros

Not that I'm taking one side or another, but along with the dumb points in this article there are a couple lines that make me go hrmmmmm. Good writeup I thinks.

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Karnul

This is what an English guy sounds like when he's REALLY pissed off:

LOL, just messing with you Kieron. Only designers care about design. Making money (in my experience) rarely has anything to do with interesting design.

Aequitas

The reason why I hate stock blogger templates is because I've always felt the need to add my own touch, to customize it my own way a little bit to spruce it up and make it different then the others. I don't know why but that is just my own personal prefrence its a pet peve of mine to see people using completely stock templates. (Maybe its because I'm trying to learn more design, who knows).

This however does not mean that your blog is rubbish, it does not mean you won't get listed in the serps, it does not mean people won't read your blog, but it does mean I think its UGLY.

Now I don't technically hate the people who use the stock blogger templates or any other stock template but when I see one on a page my very first thought is one of two things, 1) He cant design worth of shit and 2) This site sucks (Now the site might not suck) but I won't stick around very long to figure that out, I'll probably only read one, maybe two of the articles before I leave (I find it harder to trust the content), but if the blog had an interesting template, and a good look and feel, I'll probably browse around longer looking at the design and shit.

So there are some reason of why I hate stock templates.

Kieron

LOL to be honest my blog template is ugly. However its doing well in the serps and visitor number keep rising too. As I say, its on my "to-do" list to revamp it, but not near the top.

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arz

+1.
I always enjoy reading his posts.

cyberworkspace

jeez, man. you're really talking bs here.

have you ever realized, that the greatest blogs out there have no fancy design at all? secondly, have you ever noticed that no one cares because it is the content that matters and not the design?

i pity everyone who is not a designer (who should be caring about the individual design of his blog, as this is his online business card) but spends time on designing his blog. because there are so many fancy designs out there but so few good readings as most kiddos care about their photoshop skillz but have forgotten about the fact that they have to tell no story at all.

in fact, i even think that too much graphic design sucks at all, because there are reasons that some templates are chosen like 4-5k times. because people find a common denominator in it, something that universally attracts them about some particular design concept of that specific template. and that is, why i chose no other templates than the ones that have been installed at least a thousand times, because those are the ones that obviously a large portion of people found useful or attractive or whatever.

here are some blogs that you don't read because of their design. unfortunately that just indicates, that you will also not learn anything by reading blogs at all. but ignorance is not a blessing. blogs, you will miss, because of their design issues: eric s. raymond, mr. open source and tim berners lee, inventor of the web.

and back on topic, on the on the whole shoemaker thing: the writer of the ranting blog post is an idiot. shoemoney clearly stated often enough, that he is running various business, that have quite some employees and hence the money that is listed in that post is first of all revenue and somewhere down the road it becomes profit. how profitable shoemoneys business is, we don't know, but then again i don't care because he seems to be doing fine and the fact that he is not spending whatever money he makes on bullshit makes him seem like a very likable person. he has learned his lessons for sure, during the time when money did not come that easy for him and when he for sure had days and nights of worry, asking himself how he would be able to keep on. but he did and that is reason enough for a good story.

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Aequitas

Yup I've noticed that some really good blogs have crappy designs, the content definatly makes up for it, the design of something doesn't have to be perfect if your writing good content, and therefore yeah I was talking a bit of BS but my above post explained a bit of why I hate stock templates, its mainly just personal preference over anything else.

cyberworkspace

ok, you're cool. because you clearly admit when you say bs and so should i, as i was a bit over the top with my rants.

so peace out, i respect your opinion

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certel

This is a funny thread. The source of his income is in fact true. Some of the numbers may be a little high, and he should have done a little calculation on his subscription vs. PPC, etc. One of the main source sites does in fact get over 12,000 unique hits a day and he is making over $6K a day, just on Azoogle/YPN income. Couple that with subscriptions of which this one particular site has about 200,000 members and say only 10,000 of those signed up for subscription members ship, that's what... $2.4MM a year, plus the Azoogle/YPN income of $6K a day which is another $2.1MM a year and that income is half of his PPC income so that means he's doing close to $8MM a year. And that's just one site mixed among the PPC and leaving out the over thousand sites he has.

(And to note, I've known Jeremy for about 10 years and I've seen the numbers)

tangem2

Another guy trying to get some attention by writing BS about Shoemoney

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certel

Wouldn't you? That's complete link bait.

tangem2

No...but im just saying to take it for what it is...BS link bait

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John_Ronin

I think shoemoney is successful and a pretty shrewd individual, but do I think he likes to toot his own horn? Sure. Could he exaggerate his success and earnings? Possible/Even Likely. But I look at the information he provides and think much of it is a worthwhile read.

The concern I have about AuctionAds is that shoemoney has made it clear many times that scruples and morals are for losers when it comes to making money on the Internet... That money is King and all that matters.

Do I want to put data from my sites running AuctionAds in the hands of someone like shoemoney? Would I hand out my stats to anyone, especially someone who is a competitor? I'm going to pass. JMHO

Diorex

LOL - Did you just give someone rep for saying they liked my blog?

Funny stuff...

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Ryan

this is link bait at its finest.

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partythenwork

is this even possible? making million off of only 12,000 uniques per day? i do recall that digg was pulling in around 6k a day, but their user base is probably in the millions per day. now i KNOW digg's traffic is far, far greater than anything jeremy is dreaming up. they are in the top 100 websites online so their traffic is astronomical.

anyhow it seems quite unlikely that jeremy is making more money than digg.com but i guess it is possible.

the one thought to consider is youtube.com. youtube's traffic is probably greater than most sites can imagine YET they had to get two rounds of funding (all for less than $20 million). it is highly unlikely that jeremy was able to get more traffic than those sites.

now it is possible to make money off of subscribers, but you need at least 50k paying members at $10 per month to reach close to the numbers that jeremy is talking about.

i wont call shoemoney fishy, but it would seem highly doubtful that he has been able to do all of this from jan. 2005 til now with the numbers he is talking about.

still it is a great dream and something to shoot for. but ya about the article writer he definitely did nail it when he said that a person who is making millions can't pay off of his home (inexpensive home).

THAT sounds fishy. no envy here. just saying i dont make millions and all of my homes are paid off.

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cyberworkspace

income is not so much a matter of traffic itself, but getting the right traffic.

digg users are so tech-savvy, they even shut off advertising at all by installing ad-blockers and such. at least for me, digg does convert like shit, so no wonder that digg is making that low money from their traffic. they just don't provide valuable leads.

lol. you have any idea, what a gigabyte of managed high-performance storage costs? i give you an idea: $30. a gigabyte. now sum that up with youtube's hardware demands and you know where their money goes

i am not aware that shoemaker is running any site tht has that much technological requirements, so once again it is not about the amount of traffic, but the quality of traffic. youtube users are 13 year old kids without a creditcard. shomoney's users are 11 year old kids who know how to fake credit card numbers and blow their captain cracker whistles to phreak ma ma bell's phonelines. you get the idea

once again: this one of his ringtone sites / forum or whatever employs about 12 members of staff if i recall correctly. the same might go for a couple other of his ventures. deduct traffic costs, advertising and so on and so on and then you get close to his profits. all people like to talk about is his revenue, but that means nothing.

if his investments make more money, than he has to pay interest on the mortgage, i would call anyone stupid who kills his equity by investing it into dead property. we know nothing about his investments so there are many possibilities why anyone would not pay off his house but pay interest instead.

maybe you would make millions if you would have invested that money into something else than your house then

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DruSam

diggers are vehemently against all forms of advertising, that is why that traffic doesn't convert.

just look at the people doing ppc arbitrage, almost anyone can convert of 50% of their visitors with the right traffic.

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brianpaxton

I'm no Shoe fanatic, but please, you jealous skeptics are laughable with your excuses, finger pointing, and broad accusations.

Any idiot knows why "even" a millionaire might not pay off their mortgage. (I'll let you keep guessing)

(ps) For the rest of you morons with logic spewin' out ye'r ass, a fella' by the name of Warren Buffet lives in Omaha, Nebraska, in a house he paid $31,500 for.. he must be a fraud too, eh? no money in that guy's pocket..

Fact is, most of you don't have a pot to piss in, or you're living with your mommy and daddy and have no clue about real life.. Stop whining and being jealous.. Make some sites already..

hydrogin

... and thats the end of that chapter.