Jon

A friend of mine showed me this movie, and at first, because of the title I thought it was just another liberal attempt to bash Bush, Republicans and blah blah.. but maybe the guy who made this movie should consider renaming it to something a bit more attractive.

Anyhow, the video is un-fucking-real. I don't think I've ever felt so ashamed and just down right depressed and angry after seeing this. I did some research on this stuff, and still, even from asking two different tax lawyers about it, no one has ever seen the actual law.

I'm just astonished by now.. I saw this video last Thurs/Friday (I forget), and in many ways I'm a bit pissed off for seeing it, because now, I feel like I've been cheated and lied to, and that because of the way I am and the person I am, that I should not let myself be a victim.

This whole thing reminds me A LOT of the movie "V for Vendetta", especially the NWO shit at the end of it.

I dunno.. watch it yourself. It's kinda long, but you seriously NEED to see it and then come back here and tell me what you think of it, and what you yourself would consider doing?

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3rd time it's been brought up on WF. But it's a movie worth mentioning 3X. Definitely pisses you off when you see it.

ToddW

This shit needs to get out to the public.

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All time views: 2,049,452
I think it just did

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The government likes to spend lots and lots of money, its going to come from somewhere with or without income tax.

Aequitas

HOLY FUCK.

First off this thread needs a new name like WERE ALL FUCKED instead of focusing on not paying taxes in the USA, the real message here was not about taxes, the real message was we are loosing our freedom all over the world, first off I'd like to say that I'm a Canadian and the US Tax system technically doesn't apply to me as much as it does to the other members.

The first half of this video was all about not paying taxes but the last half of the video was what interested me the most because its something that has been talked about previously but never widely accepted and that is RFID and human implantation.

I mean seriously I'll pull out a gun and shoot any mother fucker that ever tries to stick a tracking chip into me, the problem with this is most people feel the same way and everyone knows that, so they won't even inform you that you've been implanted, they'll just do it, which will obviously spark insane outrage in the religious communities but let me get back on topic here.

The topic is more about CONTROL.

Do I believe everything in this video to be true and accurate? No not really
Do I believe everything I see on the web or on the TV? No of course not.

Do I believe that their is the POSSIBILITY that major corporations can hack elections, place RFID chips in us without our knowledge, give us genetically altered foods without our knowledge, create a new world order, and take away our true freedom? ABSOLUTELY.

Ok its quiet late at night and I just completely forgot where I was going with all of this so I'll stop typing now but I'm sure my comments here will spark a debate among us and I'm sure I'll be able to pick up my train of thought again.

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Pheelix

Screw the tax problem. The Fed has to be taken down (as should every other central bank). Our money system is fucked. And that's true worldwide.

Nemesis

Why are you whining? In my country, on every cent you earn after you reach $4K they take 45%. If you earn more than $3K they take 35% and so on. VAT is 22% and now some shithole said that there should be tax on stock market money. And all the people agree. Just because they can't stand people working more than 6h and not having any coffee breaks... And yeah, they sell us expensive 1mbps adsl connections...

Fucking communists...

Stanley

Only a significant catastrophic event could allow a change like this to occur. It will never occur on its own.
I don't care though, I plan to move to Canada within the next three years.

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I was going to ignore this but since it seems to keep coming up, I guess I'll vent a bit.

I'm currently only 50 minutes into the video, but so far it's all the same stuff repeated over and over again. Perhaps the remainder of the film will actually have substance, but even so... my thoughts below will likely not change.

Who cares if the income tax was initially created "illegally"? The fact is that the last MANY years, the government AND the citizens have built a society under the framework of having an income tax. You take that away now and the system could potentially break down, and if it doesn't, it'll have to somehow come up with a replacement.

Yes, the video says that not a single penny from the income tax goes towards paying for services... oh no! Of course, if you actually pay attention and don't get all fantatical, you notice that they say it all goes towards paying down our debt. Hmm... now how did we get that debt? My guess is by paying for those services they just bitched about.

I don't care if the notion of an income tax isn't written in stone form in an actual law. It's existence IS being enforced and the system IS running assuming the income tax will continue to exist. If YOU decide to stop paying income taxes, you will currently be at risk for jail time whether or not YOU believe it's legal. Also, if you happen to get lucky and avoid the IRS, you're still screwing over your fellow citizens. The more people that lie and cheat the IRS, the more the people that do pay the taxes will suffer. You can go ahead and lie to yourself saying that the people that pay are suckers and deserve what they get - whatever makes you sleep better at night. The truth still is, you'll enjoy the benefits of others paying taxes while you skip out on it.

Whether or not the income tax system is the best system is not the issue. I'm sure money is getting wasted and there's likely a better way of handling it, but until somebody comes up with something better, it's what we've got and it's kept the United States a country that I absolutely love and feel is the best place in the whole damn world.

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Stanley

The problem is we assume more debt per capita than almost any other country in the world. Our defense bugdget is MULTIPLE times more than anything else we spend money on. Does US really need to have 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, a huge base in Saudi Arabia, and several more in Qatar and UAE? How does that help our citizens? We barely even get any oil from Saudi Arabia, and yet we've kept thousands of soldiers stationed there for decades. This is costing us billions a year.
Not to mention the tax % deducted from your paycheck is significantly higher in US than in other countries.

Anyone who expects the government to regulate itself is definitely ignorant of history.

Maybe the tax system shouldn't be shut down, but there's currently nothing differentiating America from past imperial nations.

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Uh... ok.. that has nothing to do with this topic at all. Whether or not you feel the United States is over extended militarily. You obviously have strong opinions as to our use of our military, which, yes, does affect taxes. But, again, that's not what's on the table in this thread. Also, whether or not you think the US is an imperial nation and whether or not that's a bad thing is also something that has nothing to do with the issue of whether or not people should be paying their income taxes.

Also, if you look at the global taxes Tax rates around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you can see that the US is not grossly over taxing individuals. And like it was said previously, we have not VAT.

You are clearly anti government, or at least this government, but this issue is specifically income taxes.

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LJay

1) But it helps the canadians FEEL safe at night.

2) We get more oil from canada but see number 1 above

3) not necessarily. here's an old chart but i imagine the numbers are still close: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922307.html

4) read this: Amazon.com: The Fair Tax Book: Saying Goodbye to the Income Tax and the IRS: Books: Neal Boortz,John Linder

kyleirwin

REPOST! damn n00bs.

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Everyone needs to search for MONEY and the HISTORY OF MONEY. It'll blow your mind if you watch a few of those long documentaries.

Stanley

I'm definitely not anti-government. But I am against our foreign policies that have we've mantained for the last 100 years or so. We're killing a lot of people and spending trillions on doing so. Maybe if killing them was free I would reconsider, but it's not.
Basically I can't justify paying taxes that are then used to overthrow a government in El Salvador, because we have enough problems of our own back home.

Regarting VAT, it's state and city based. Here in NYC there's an 8% VAT, so don't say we don't have it.

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Again, none of that relates to the linked video and/or paying income tax. As for the 8% VAT, that's a lot lower than most other counties I believe.

I did finish watching the video and it's nearly 2 hours of basically just repeating over and over again that there's no written law that we have to pay taxes. Ok, that could have taken all of 30 seconds to explain, no need to bore the hell out of us for another couple hours.

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Good for you! Welcome to Canada, eh!

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One thing before you come to Canada eh!, is that we all don't say eh!, its mainly a newfie thing.

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Pheelix

The main idea to get from the movie is not that Americans don't have to pay taxes, but rather that our entire monetary system is screwed over in a way that ruins our most basic freedoms.

I agree, though, that it explains this rather poorly. The focus on the secondary tax thing and this "New World Order"-police-state-stuff does a disservice to a very serious issue. The fiat money system (central bank system) we have right now (not just in the US, but also in Europe) is a serious threat to any sound economy.

Stanley

goddamn it, have a little more foresight. If the government didn't spend billions a year subsidizing revolutionary groups in Thailand or Haiti, then we wouldn't have to pay so much money in income tax - how much clearer does it need to be?
Besides, is there some unwritten rule that prohibits me from diverging from the topic of the video?

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Squirrel how can you be that dense? Spending billions a year on stuff we don't need has a lot to do with this topic.

This whole issue is not going to fix itself. As someone mentioned earlier the government will not regulate itself. It will just get bigger and bigger until the people who gave it it's power stops being complacent.

The first step is informing people on the subject. People should know what their rights are, and how their money is being spent. I would be shocked if the American people aren't outraged over the REAL ID coming in the few years. But I bet most people have never even heard of it.

We are still one of the best nations in terms of freedom but if anyone thinks our dear government is going to continue to play nice without us watching it, they are deluding themselves.

What's worse is that too many American think we can't do anything. That's the biggest lie right now, but it will be true if we continue to be complacent. The government should be afraid of it's people, not the other way around.

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The government doesn't have to be afraid now that their will be electronic voting all over the country, they just pick a leader and be done with it, the votes won't mean shit, unless their is a few million people who all stand up at once, nothing will ever change and they will do whatever they feel they must do.

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Squirrelinabox

Dense huh? Ok, let me put it a little simpler for you guys.

Does more government expenses (ie, foreign wars) increase the need to tax? Obviously yes. I never said that it doesn't. What I'm saying is that everybody jumping on this video's bandwagon need to get their own opinions straight. If you believe the government is in to many countries right now, then THAT is what's wrong in your opinion, NOT that paying an income tax is bad.

Also, is the economy broken? I honestly don't know, I don't have nearly enough facts or econ education to begin to know. However, again, the economy being broken is one thing, not paying your income taxes because some dumb video says you don't have to is another.

Stanley, of course you can diverge from the original topic, but when you respond to an argument of mine and quote me while doing so, you're own argument should probably be related... you know? Intelligent debat/discussion of a serious topic and all that.

DruSam, like I said already, I'm not saying wars, and the economy in general don't have an impact on taxes. I'm also not saying that we shouldn't keep our government in line. I'm merely responding to Jon's initial post and the video itself. Like I said in my first post, I was going to ignore this completely, but it seems to be spreading rather quickly. You mention that people need to be informed... duh. People should also learn to think for themselves. Everybody is jumping onto this video going "OMG, we don't have to pay taxes. Our government is stealing from us!!!". That's BS. We DO have to pay taxes, well at least unless we want to chance going to jail. Yes, some people got out of it because some feeble minded jurors fell for the "show us the law" line that's repeated a million times in the video. My point is the fact that there is no written law for it doesn't change the fact that decades have gone by with our government running off the idea that there IS a such thing as an income tax law. If we strip it away, our economy will likely suffer much more than what everybody is bitching about now. Sure, it'd be nice if there were an actual written law and it'd be great if Congress could go ahead and pass one, but if they did, you all would then cry out "OMG, SEE!!! We've been ripped off this whole time! We want all our money back!" The law is implied. If you choose not to pay, you are doing so knowing full well that you are going to bring the IRS and the government down on you. Also, if you choose to not pay, you are screwing over those that do pay taxes.

Dense? Uh... please.

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Ok, so how should it all work then? Every person has a vote (ok, every person of age, that's not in jail, and that meets a few other requirements). I don't believe there has been a system in history that's been anywhere near as fair. Obviously, your one vote really doesn't count. Ok, so it counts as 1, but no election has ever been decided by one vote. However, if every person with your similar beliefs decides that their votes don't matter, then as a whole, your group could potentially lose elections.

Bush's approval rating is in the mud right now. However, he was re-elected by the majority. If he could run again, he'd lose. Why? Because he would be held accountable for his actions and most people right now don't like his actions. In that sense, the system does work. Obviously there's underhanded things going on that we may never know about, but it sure seems to work pretty well, especially when you try and think of alternatives.

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zenglider

I watched the whole thing and the longer I watched it the more angry I got. I'm pissed as hell right now. I believe that our current Government no longer has our interest in mind.

Squirrelinabox

Why?

What specifically in the video made you think the government doesn't have our interests in mind?

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Aequitas

First off you draw a dangerous line when you say this, I feel like your basically telling me that my OWN opinion doesn't mean DICK SHIT and that your opinion holds more weight then everyone else's opinion. Your saying our opinions are wrong, how can they be wrong when they are our own opinion, an opinion is not wrong, facts are wrong, I could say I am a GOD, that is my OWN OPINION, the facts behind that opinion would be wrong.

DONT ever fucking try to tell me my opinion or any other opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion.

Are you running for congress?, You've completely missed my entire point here, my point was that an electronic voting system can be manipulated a fuck of a lot easier then the standard paper voting system, with a paper system real people have to count the votes, with an electronic system a computer program (One that can be hacked without anyone knowing) counts the votes.

So are you saying that the electronic systems are as fair as they get, lets cross reference this a bit, can an electronic system be hacked? YES, this isn't a very good example but has windows vista or XP been hacked? YES, has a million other computer programs been hacked? YES.

With that said an electronic voting system can just as easily be hacked, at least with a paper voting system you've got real people to deal with, people with values, their is a better chance someone will step up and say hey I didn't count this the way they are saying I counted this, sure people can be silenced but it takes that much more work on the part of the people hacking the system.

So if a voting system is not fair the government doesn't have to be afraid of the average person because the group hacking the system can just say hey Mr. so and so can help us out the most, we'll elect him as president and fuck what the people of the country think.

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before anyone jumps on the conspiracy bandwagon, go watch this: HBO: Hacking Democracy

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I'll watch this first and then report back.

Actually since their doesn't appear to be a video I'll read about it and try to find a Google or YouTube video on the subject.

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Squirrelinabox

Wow, guess that button shouldn't have been pushed huh?

First, opinions can be wrong if they are a declaration of something. If you say you are god, you are either right or wrong, there is no middle ground with that. If you said you liked god, you may think that couldn't be right or wrong, but again, it can be. If you don't like god and say you do, then you are wrong. Some things don't have a clear right or wrong, but there still is one. I can't prove that you are or aren't god, so I can't prove you right or wrong, but you still are one of those.

Anyway, as for electronic voting, yes, there's a chance they can be manipulated. But... oh... wait... the paper voting thing has already proven to be fallable with the whole Florida chad crap. Every voting system CAN be manipulated and I'm definitely not saying they haven't been.

So electronic voting has somehow made it so that the government doesn't thave to fear us because computer can be hacked but ballot boxes and paper counting with the human factor is 100% foolproof? Um... ok.

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Originally Posted by Squirrelinabox What I'm saying is that everybody jumping on this video's bandwagon need to get their own opinions straight. If you believe the government is in to many countries right now, then THAT is what's wrong in your opinion.

You were reading Squirrel's wording in a different way than he meant it (it could be read both ways). What he was trying to convey, paraphrased, is:

If you believe the government is in too many countries right now, then that is the problem/issue you are against. The topic at hand is whether we have to pay taxes or not, not the specific activities that cause the tax rate to be high.

Aequitas

Ok I better understand where you are coming from on the opinion situation, my comments were a bit over the top but at least we are somewhat on the same page.

No I am definatly not saying that paper counting with a human factor is 100% fool proof, I'm just saying that with paper counting involving humans its a little more troublesome to cheat the system because their will always be people asking questions, and thinking to themselves that something is not right.

At least with the humans counting the votes their is a better chance something can be exposed, with a computer system, someone with enough skill could easily hide a hack inside of the source code to manipulate the votes anyway they see fit and without a ton of people looking at it their would be no one to detect the problem and no one would be the wiser.

An electronic voting system has much more potential to be hacked without anyone knowing, with a human voting system its much more hassle to try and hack the system because you've got to deal with all sorts of people.

Nethier of these systems are 100% foolproof and I don't think any system will ever be 100% foolproof but I prefer to go with the odds on this one.

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Aequitas

Ok I don't know why this was broken up into 10 parts but its the HBO: HACKING DEMOCRACY video that can be found on youtube. If anyone has a link to it without so many parts post it, I couldn't find the whole thing on Google Video. So here it is.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
Part 10

I've not watched the whole thing yet but it seems kinda interesting.

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Squirrelinabox

Exactly, thanks for the paraphrase

Aequitas, honestly I don't know if the electonic voting is more or less susceptible to corruption, but I do know that there are an incredibly amount of systems out there that have not been hacked. If they make the system completely offline or at least keep it on it's own secure network and give the systems no way to receive any input besides the votes, then I think it'd be incredibly hard to hack. I don't know how they are set up exactly nor am I much of a hacker, so take that with a grain of salt. I won't be bothered with the HBO documentary, I've watched one too many today.

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Aequitas

Well I'm going to finish watching the Documentary and see what its all about but the funny thing about all of this is now the more I watch the more interested I get and the more my business mind begins to work, I've already begun thinking of ways to incorporate this little niche to turn a profit.

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Aequitas

I just finished watching this other documentary on the voting systems and it simply backs my claims that electronic voting systems are easier to hack and easier to hide what has happened then a human voting system is.

I'm not saying human voting is foolproof but it takes a lot more to hack, Its an interesting show nonetheless so check it out.

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Internal Revenue Code section 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

US CODE: Title 26,TITLE 26—INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

End of Story.

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LOL the issue here is that the US Constitution and the Supreme Court contradict the IRS code. hahaha watch the video.

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I hear from lots of people like Squirrelinabox that think things in the USA are pretty good and massive change isn't a good idea...

But I think the thing most status quo types don't realize is that we are built on a foundation of freedom and no income tax.

We are still coasting uphill from the momentum generated by our Constitutional Republic. Now that we have unconstitutionally transitioned into just another Euro-Socialist-Democracy we will soon start rolling the other way. Regulations, laws, and taxes will stifle growth and begin a feedback loop of debt and taxes until we have French-style rioting.

Too much Government takes the fun outta life...

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canada is pretty much the same as minnesota, time to move

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The constitutional amendment is pretty simple and does not disagree with the tax code.

Also, looking through the Supreme Court case law, there are plenty of decisions referencing the IRC, so it's not really true that the courts have ruled against it.

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I'm actually not saying massive change isn't a good idea. I'm just saying removing income tax with NO ALTERNATIVE isn't a good idea. The video, and its supporters, are looking for a way out of having to give up some money, regardless of the consequences. The truth is, the income taxes DO GO SOMEWHERE and not once in the video does anybody say what an alternative should be. I'm not saying income tax is the best thing ever, I'm just saying it's the best solution that at least works somewhat that I've heard about - I'd love to hear otherwise.

Like wdmny has said a couple times, the courts have supported the tax law more than they have contradicted it. Courts have contradicted each other in the past, but this video seems to think that since a couple court cases didn't explicitly say that there is a hard written document saying income tax is a law, that that means everybody should stop paying. If you notice, the cases mentioned in favor of people not paying the tax were ones decided by jurors. We all know how perfect juries are *cough* OJ *cough*.

I end by just asking again, what should we do to cover what the income taxes go to if the income tax isn't the right system?

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In my opinion the alternative should be a national sales tax. Some say a 23% sales tax would allow us to cut all other taxes and still allow us to partake in the programs currently in use. Just imagine what it would be if we cut all the bloated programs...

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I say everyone moves out of the United States. Then who'll pay the trillion dollar debt? Come back in a couple years, and everyones over it.

Governments are just dumb. They just waste money. Small scale, and large scale. This kid was telling me about how at his school they pay $5,000 to get 20 or so of those shitty desks per classroom.

My dad used to work in Aeronautics back in the 90's rocket craze in florida. And there many government spending horror stories behind that. Namely, hundreds of millions of dollars, and 5 years of the most talented scientists in the country working on a control center type thing for a plane that EVERYONE knew was deffective. Explanation? If they didn't spend the money, then it'd go to someone else.

DruSam

Read this:
FairTax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

that's the way to go.

although I think FairTax should be administered by the States and not the Federal Government.

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Why would you prefer a large sales tax over income tax? Not attacking the idea. I'm genuinly curious.

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm no economy expert so I, personally, have no idea as to what it would take to maintain our current state without income tax.

I do completely agree that there are a hell of a lot of bloated programs. And yes, probably only a nickel on every dollar sent to the government actually gets to where it's supposed to go (made up that ratio, I have no idea what the real thing is). Just about every program requires some overhead, so 100% of the funds are never going to go directly to where they need to go, but I do agree that the percentage could be bigger than what it is now.

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Karnul

Absolutely nothing. We starve the government back into submission. Here a few reasons why this is the right course of action:

1. The FedGov freely admits to pissing away 85 cents on every dollar they collect. Meaning - only 15 cents makes it's way out of bureauacracy and into programs.

2. The 85 cents pissed away thing was BEFORE we found out the Pentagon has missplaced 2 TRILLION dollars.

3. The 85 cents is used to feed beaucrats. Each one of these blood suckers could be in the free market actually doing some good instead of writing regulations that cost jobs, time, and money.

4. The FedGov does actual harm with the money they spend. Propping up totalitarian dictatorships around the world. Incarcerating people for victimless crimes. Bribing the states into a federal system (which deprives us of choice.) Infringing on privacy. Waging wars.

5. Government is a dangerous force. History has shown that governments tend to evolve into monsters of suppression. Allowing our gov't to spend 2.3 trillion dollars a year will end up biting us all in the ass. The signs are already here that we face a fascist future --- Fascist = a system of government where the needs of the state superceed those of the individual.

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We could turn the USA back into a growth machine and beacon of freedom in the world by starving gov't back into it's constitutional bounds.

DruSam

The pros and cons are all listed here

I am personally looking forward to not having to keep track of all of these or paying someone to do it:

• Accounts receivable tax
• Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
• Building permit tax
• Capital gains tax
• CDL license tax
• Cigarette tax
• Corporate income tax
• Court fines (indirect taxes)
• Dog license tax
• Excise tax
• Federal income tax
• Federal unemployment tax (FUTA)
• FICA tax
• Fishing license tax
• Food license tax
• Fuel permit tax
• Gasoline tax (42 cents per gallon)
• Gift tax
• Hunting license tax
• Inheritance tax interest expense (tax on the money)
• Inventory tax IRS interest charges (tax on top of tax)
• IRS penalties (tax on top of tax)
• Liquor tax
• Local income tax
• Luxury taxes
• Marriage license tax
• Medicare tax
• Property tax
• Real estate tax
• Recreational vehicle tax
• Road toll booth taxes
• Road usage taxes (Truckers)
• Sales tax and equivalent use tax
• School tax
• Septic permit tax
• Service charge taxes
• Social Security tax
• State income tax
• State unemployment tax (SUTA)
• Telephone federal excise tax
• Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
• Telephone federal universal service fee tax
• Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
• Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
• Telephone state and local tax
• Telephone usage charge tax
• Toll bridge taxes
• Toll tunnel taxes
• Traffic fines (indirect taxation)
• Trailer registration tax
• Transfer tax and Generation-skipping transfer tax
• Utility taxes
• Vehicle license registration tax
• Vehicle sales tax
• Watercraft registration tax
• Well permit tax
• Wheel tax
• Workers compensation tax

watercraft registration tax? wheel tax? seriously who the hell comes up with this shit?

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Nothing would kill america faster than that fair tax being passed.
First of all always be skeptical of a law that says "fair" fair is subjective. Second of all you got to consider the economic impact it would have on a national level. Even though it seems all fair it has very bad consequences.

The upper class on an average have different spending habits than the lower class. The lower class's expenses tend to match their income. The upper class tends to reinvest a portion of their income to create more income, which would be untaxable. So the upper class' income would grow faster than if there were still an income tax. That would have to come out of somewhere, the lower class. It would end up breaking down like this in the end:
American Corporations/businesses = paying virtually no taxes since they reinvest most of their money.

Upper class = paying much less in taxes than they normally would because the 23% would adjust to be less than what they are currently paying. Their spending habits would naturally increase their income faster than they would get taxed on it.


Middle class = would come out about even.

Lower class = would be paying about double their current average because their spending habits would equal their income. So the more they make the more they spend in a taxable manner therefore get taxed, except at a rate that is approx. double of what they are currently being taxed. Since their income growth is on avg. stagnate their tax would be stagnate. So they would be affected negatively.

So if your following me so far, this would create a catastrophically huge separation of classes. Which history has proven to create major social disorder. When social disorder happens the first and foremost affected are the corporations and businesses. Which would cause major losses. In an attempt to salvage earnings the corporations would hold their earnings and/or invest it in foreign means. When this happens the loss of circulation momentum would cause an economic dust bowl. Once America has recovered from that, the same thing would happen that happened with the Great Depression. The rich would emerge richer and the poor would emerge poorer (we're still not fully recovered from that last blow).

In an economic sense, the middle class are the best investment. Them having money is good for both the economy growth and local business growth. Never support a tax that helps the upper class and corporations, even if you are rich its a very bad idea.

On the upside to this though, we'd have no irs

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