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Old 09-03-2010, 03:12 PM   #1
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Sogay Nootropics users: FDA bans Piracetam

The FDA has banned Piracetam - it is now classified as a drug and cannot be sold as a dietary supplement.

Americans just lost yet another freedom...

Anyways - the main purpose of this thread is to let everyone who uses/planned to use piracetam know that they should stock up on it as fast as possible. Retailers have 15 days to comply and so a lot of them (like smartpowders.com) are running a clearance sale.

Don't forget to get some choline to stack with it.

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The FDA has banned Piracetam - it is now classified as a drug and cannot be sold as a dietary supplement.

Americans just lost yet another freedom...

Anyways - the main purpose of this thread is to let everyone who uses/planned to use piracetam know that they should stock up on it as fast as possible. Retailers have 15 days to comply and so a lot of them (like smartpowders.com) are running a clearance sale.

Don't forget to get some choline to stack with it.

hxxp://www.smartpowders.com/v/vspfiles/assets/files/FDA-piracetam.pdf

"Symptoms of general excitability, including anxiety, insomnia, irritability, headache, agitation, nervousness, and tremor, are occasionally reported. Headache from large doses of piracetam may be alleviated by coadministration of an acetylcholine biosynthetic precursor, or a drug with cholinergic effects, such as choline bitartrate, choline citrate, choline alfoscerate, lecithin, cyprodenate or centrophenoxine." wiki

But they allow prescription drugs that cause suicidal thoughts and death...
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"Symptoms of general excitability, including anxiety, insomnia, irritability, headache, agitation, nervousness, and tremor, are occasionally reported. Headache from large doses of piracetam may be alleviated by coadministration of an acetylcholine biosynthetic precursor, or a drug with cholinergic effects, such as choline bitartrate, choline citrate, choline alfoscerate, lecithin, cyprodenate or centrophenoxine." wiki
All those symptoms can apply to caffeine as well. Should they ban caffeine too? I really hope your answer isn't yes...
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I think you missed what he wrote underneath the quote.

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I think you missed what he wrote underneath the quote.
I didn't. The "your" was aimed at FDA, not dallasncents. I probably could have been less vague.

Everyone, save yourself over $20:
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and get it with this to prevent headaches from the piracetam:
Primaforce Choline Citrate
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I didn't. The "your" was aimed at FDA, not dallasncents. I probably could have been less vague.

Everyone, save yourself over $20:
Primaforce Piracetam

and get it with this to prevent headaches from the piracetam:
Primaforce Choline Citrate
Have you used this provider before (Smart Powders) and can you confirm that it's a reliable supplier?

Also have people here noticed a positive productivity boost from it?

I've never got piracetam because I've always been worried about the lack of research done. But with a 15 day limit I'm thinking of stocking up just in case I ever decide I want to use it.

Also does anybody know how to get provigil?
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Smart Powders is legit. I've ordered from Mike several times. He gives you a certificate with the lab results, so you know what your getting is real.

I've read somewhere where it was hinted that a pharmaceutical company is coming out with a prescription that contains piracetam, so that's why the FDA is pushing this through... they have to clear the way for the drug companies and eliminate competition.

So far none of the other racetams are targeted, but it's a shame, because piracetam is the most affordable one.
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Have you used this provider before (Smart Powders) and can you confirm that it's a reliable supplier?

Also have people here noticed a positive productivity boost from it?

I've never got piracetam because I've always been worried about the lack of research done. But with a 15 day limit I'm thinking of stocking up just in case I ever decide I want to use it.

Also does anybody know how to get provigil?
Yes, I've used them several times before without complaint. I usually order PrimaForce brand from Mike versus their own smart powders brand, though thats just because I've been using primaforce stuff for a while.

And the focus you get from it is pretty good. I take it in 4,500 milligram doses.
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Yes, I've used them several times before without complaint. I usually order PrimaForce brand from Mike versus their own smart powders brand, though thats just because I've been using primaforce stuff for a while.

And the focus you get from it is pretty good. I take it in 4,500 milligram doses.
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Smart Powders is legit. I've ordered from Mike several times. He gives you a certificate with the lab results, so you know what your getting is real.

I've read somewhere where it was hinted that a pharmaceutical company is coming out with a prescription that contains piracetam, so that's why the FDA is pushing this through... they have to clear the way for the drug companies and eliminate competition.

So far none of the other racetams are targeted, but it's a shame, because piracetam is the most affordable one.
Thanks for the positive recommendation. I've always been pretty paranoid about consuming things that I don't know a lot about, and I've been really worried about buying something online that may be contaminated. If this is a legitimate store I think I'm going to buy some before the 15 days is up.

How are current piracetam users (people in this thread) planning on getting it once the 15 days are up?
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Seriously, WTF is wrong with you guys? You need to take nootropics or adderal or whatever shit just to get some work done?

Getting fucked up on your drug of choice to have a good time - I can see. But this?!!! C'mon now...

(BTW: Not judging - just trying to understand).
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My serious answer is: idk.

I've had success in the past ordering banned supplements from overseas, but I don't plan to try anything like that nowadays. Especially not for piracetam, I'll just rotate it out of my stack and start using another racetam such as Aniracetam.

Really, piracetam is one of the weaker racetams, however it's dirt cheap and sold (was, at least) at a lot of places.
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Seriously, WTF is wrong with you guys? You need to take nootropics or adderal or whatever shit just to get some work done?

Getting fucked up on your drug of choice to have a good time - I can see. But this?!!! C'mon now...

(BTW: Not judging - just trying to understand).
I can work perfectly fine without supplements. However, I work better with them. Plus, the feeling of well-being I get from many nootropics is pretty awesome.
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gawd, next thing you know they ban jack3d.
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i don't see anything in that FDA letter saying that piracetam is banned.

it sounds like they only had a problem with the way smartpowders was marketing them
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I've tried the 800mg tablets but I really would like to give the liquid form a try.



You can just get this stuff over the counter here in Europe. It's not nearly as cheap as the bulk powder form but I like that it's proper branded pharmacy quality in sealed blisters.

It kind of just made my head hot but I was only taking 1600 to 3200 mg at a time. I think I need to give it another try sometime.
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Damn, thanks for this. I've been using 2g piracetam 2-3x a day and like it. It DOES make me a bit nervous, but in a way that I want to get work done or I'll get mad at myself or something. Kind of hard to explain.

Even tried mixing it with Jack3d for pre-workout focus/endurance, but that didn't seem to help, so I'm sticking with it during brain time.

Primaforce is the bomb. You can get it even cheaper at Amazon, and it's on Prime/SuperSaver.

The taste is awful, but I add it to anything really and don't care, it's worth it. Or you can put it on the tip of your tongue and slam it.

Never saw the need for choline. I don't get headaches from it, and studies don't show choline giving cognitive effects to healthy people.

Contacted PrimaForce to see for sure before hitting the panic button.
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gawd, next thing you know they ban jack3d.
Jack3d is just creatine + caffeine marketed as something new and awesome. It's shitty, 90% of the hype for it is viral marketing and the other 10% is from noobs that don't know how to read ingredient lists or have never been on any sort of stimulant before.

RE: piracetam, creatine is a nootropic too, and there are plenty of others. I'll still be stocking up, but this isn't too big a deal for nootropic users.
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it sounds like they only had a problem with the way smartpowders was marketing them
It's kinda in between. Piracetam is being marketed the same way you would market drugs, and it's technically not a supplement (food). The crack down is most definitely as a result of Efficacy and Safety of Piracetam Taken for 12 Months in Subjects Suffering From Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov So someone wants to make it a drug and the FDA is clearing out competition, but they are somewhat justified in doing this. So both are in the wrong. There's been no actual ban and this news is 6 months old at least. The FDA stopped by some suppliers 6 months ago but they haven't pulled shit. So take it with a grain of salt.

Mike (smart powders) is legit and probably the best in the industry. He started bulknutrition back in the day before selling it off, been around for a long time.
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Jack3d is just creatine + caffeine marketed as something new and awesome. It's shitty, 90% of the hype for it is viral marketing and the other 10% is from noobs that don't know how to read ingredient lists or have never been on any sort of stimulant before.

RE: piracetam, creatine is a nootropic too, and there are plenty of others. I'll still be stocking up, but this isn't too big a deal for nootropic users.
Wrong. I'm not saying Jack3d is the end all be all, but it's more than good marketing. It's a great mix of AAKG, Creatine, Beta Alanine, Caffeine, 1,3 Dimethylamylamine, and Schizandrol A. No bullshit maltodextrin inside, tastes great, and it's cheap.

AAKG works.
Creatine works.
Beta Alanine works.
Caffeine works.
1,3 Dimethylamylamine... not many studies on it, but everyone in here who uses it knows it's crazy awesome for long-term focus and mood enhancement without crashing.
Schizandrol A - ???

I've tried to create my own homemade Jack3d, and have constantly fallen short. I can't figure the formula out, and maybe there's something to the Schizandrol A after all.

That said, the only way Jack3d would get banned is if 1,3 gets banned. If so, I'd be stocking up on 1,3 like a mofo. That shit is for real.
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It's kinda in between. Piracetam is being marketed the same way you would market drugs, and it's technically not a supplement (food). The crack down is most definitely as a result of Efficacy and Safety of Piracetam Taken for 12 Months in Subjects Suffering From Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov So someone wants to make it a drug and the FDA is clearing out competition, but they are somewhat justified in doing this. So both are in the wrong. There's been no actual ban and this news is 6 months old at least. The FDA stopped by some suppliers 6 months ago but they haven't pulled shit. So take it with a grain of salt.

Mike (smart powders) is legit and probably the best in the industry. He started bulknutrition back in the day before selling it off, been around for a long time.
Hey, your link there isn't too informative, but I found a bit more here:
ClinicalStudyResults.org - Drug Details

http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/...udy_3435_0.pdf

Now can anyone see any COGNITIVE results from this study? All I see is the safety markers. Maybe I'm not reading it right (should have taken some piracetam before reading this crazy shit! )

Edit: Oh shit, it was just a SAFETY study. That's why there's just safety results. Above PDFs are good stuff then
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That said, the only way Jack3d would get banned is if 1,3 gets banned. If so, I'd be stocking up on 1,3 like a mofo. That shit is for real.
Haha, same here. I now swear by 1,3.



I'm at 75mg doses 3 times per day. Taking it with ginkgo, vinpocetine, and taurine (similiar to machinecontrol's instant focus product but I get all the stuff seperately for 1/4 price at a local vitamin cottage) = crazy productivity.
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I'm at 75mg doses 3 times per day. Taking it with ginkgo, vinpocetine, and taurine (similiar to machinecontrol's instant focus product but I get all the stuff seperately for 1/4 price at a local vitamin cottage) = crazy productivity.
Holy shit dude that's a LOT. I haven't dared go over 75mg in a DAY. How big are you? Maybe I should do more. But I'm not in the mood for a heart attack until about 40 more years.. heh

My source of 1,3 (besides Jack3d) lately has been Instant Focus from machinecontrol. So I've been getting that stuff in... but vinpocetine doesn't have any studies proving its efficacy, does it?

I also read here on WF that 75mg of 1,3 before smoking herb is the bomb. I love stims before smokin - I get super talkative and ridiculous. Might try later today, but gonna be having too many beers in the mix too to really assess.

My problem with 1,3 is that there are barely any long-term safety studies on it. Piracetam has tons of em.
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Holy shit dude that's a LOT. I haven't dared go over 75mg in a DAY. How big are you? Maybe I should do more. But I'm not in the mood for a heart attack until about 40 more years.. heh

My source of 1,3 (besides Jack3d) lately has been Instant Focus from machinecontrol. So I've been getting that stuff in... but vinpocetine doesn't have any studies proving its efficacy, does it?

I also read here on WF that 75mg of 1,3 before smoking herb is the bomb. I love stims before smokin - I get super talkative and ridiculous. Might try later today, but gonna be having too many beers in the mix too to really assess.

My problem with 1,3 is that there are barely any long-term safety studies on it. Piracetam has tons of em.
I'm not too sure on the vinpocetine efficacy, but if I find anything later I'll link it here. I've been taking vinpocetine daily for years though (before ever hearing about 1,3), can't remember what I read to get me started at the moment.

And yea that was me in the bump when high thread that said 75mg of 1,3 + some good ol' cannabis is the shit. I love it, however I'm on a tolerance break from the weed right now.

I'm 6'3 and 250 lb and the 75mg of 1,3 doesn't even feel like the big of an overkill. It does make me sweat a little when I take 100mg or more of 1,3 though.

As far as the lack of research regarding safety of longterm 1,3 use... I smoke a pack and a half per day + cannabis all day + caffeine galor so I'm already planning on not living past 50 haha.
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I'm not too sure on the vinpocetine efficacy, but if I find anything later I'll link it here. I've been taking vinpocetine daily for years though (before ever hearing about 1,3), can't remember what I read to get me started at the moment.

And yea that was me in the bump when high thread that said 75mg of 1,3 + some good ol' cannabis is the shit. I love it, however I'm on a tolerance break from the weed right now.

I'm 6'3 and 250 lb and the 75mg of 1,3 doesn't even feel like the big of an overkill. It does make me sweat a little when I take 100mg or more of 1,3 though.

As far as the lack of research regarding safety of longterm 1,3 use... I smoke a pack and a half per day + cannabis all day + caffeine galor so I'm already planning on not living past 50 haha.
Allright buddy, I'm in. Did 1.5 scoops of Jack3d and then had a morning swim. Now it's 9 hours later and I just rocked three 1,3's and about to hit the pipe. Off the piracetam today. Will let you know how it goes. Sorry for the offtopic. Back to the party now
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I was *this* close to putting piracetam in Instant Focus before my manufacturer talked me out of it due to FDA concerns.
Piracetam + 1,3= AMAZING combo. Vinpocetine+Ginkgo synergize pretty OK as a vasodilator to increase cerebral blood flow, nothing quite like a racetam though.

Here's what most people don't know about nootropics like Piracetam- because they increase cerebral blood flow so well, they synergize well with just about anything.

Take an attack dose of Piracetam and smoke some herb- you will magically turn shitty weed into top quality weed.

Mix a strong dose of Piracetam with psychedelics.... you will see God. There's nothing else like it, and that's why I love *racetams.

As for 1,3 and weed...Don't know why you would mix stimulants and depressants like that, except maybe smoking to come down off the 1,3 high.
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did not see that it was about to get banned -- all the letter said was he needed to relabel some shit - but fuck probably sold 300x orders - Marketing for dumbasses who are too fuckin stupid to read = Win (get hooked on phonicks cocksucker)
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Bad news, folks. Just got this email from Marc at PrimaForce/Scivation:

Dear Sir,

You are correct. We are not making this any longer. If you would like to
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Wanted to order but decided I'll stop taking jack3d and other focus enhancers.
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This is fucking retarded. Piracetam is a great supplement. I still have some in my cupboard somewhere. Hey that reminds me, what's the shelf life on this stuff like? I think my stuff is like a year old.

I guess the adderall people don't want competition.
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This is fucking retarded. Piracetam is a great supplement. I still have some in my cupboard somewhere. Hey that reminds me, what's the shelf life on this stuff like? I think my stuff is like a year old.

I guess the adderall people don't want competition.
If you store it in a cool and dry place it's supposed to last almost indefinitely from what I've heard.

For those planning to stock up big time (I bought 12 KG) you could vacuum seal certain amounts (I plan to bag it all up into individual KGs)

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For all the people pointing out the obvious - that the letter doesn't mention the word 'ban' - if you spend any time around nootropic and herbal forums you know there has been talk of this happening for quite a while. As I mention in my OP it's now being classified as a drug instead of a dietary supplement and it will be a pain in the ass to sell/buy it.

Even if it is all a scam by Mike to sell a bunch of his product (I highly doubt it, but it's been done before by tons of manufacturers) all the people who use it regularly (like me) aren't spending more $ than usual to stock up - less in fact since it's on clearance sale.
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It's kinda in between. Piracetam is being marketed the same way you would market drugs, and it's technically not a supplement (food). The crack down is most definitely as a result of Efficacy and Safety of Piracetam Taken for 12 Months in Subjects Suffering From Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov So someone wants to make it a drug and the FDA is clearing out competition, but they are somewhat justified in doing this. So both are in the wrong. There's been no actual ban and this news is 6 months old at least. The FDA stopped by some suppliers 6 months ago but they haven't pulled shit. So take it with a grain of salt.

Mike (smart powders) is legit and probably the best in the industry. He started bulknutrition back in the day before selling it off, been around for a long time.
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So no one under the age of 50 was able to participate in that study?
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Thanks for the mention on 1,3 . I just ordered some - looking to try it for the first time.

Any thoughts on PEA (Phenylethlamine HCI)? I read some good reviews, but it has zero effect on me. I've went up to 4 grams in one dose and no effect.
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So no one under the age of 50 was able to participate in that study?
It's a study on dementia/alzheimers.
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1,3 is awesome. Instant Focus is awesome. I love this shit.
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so ... the product you are trying to order no longer exists...

where can I get some?

edit: nm found it on muclegeeks.com

re-edit: nm they don't ship to Canada - where can I get some that ships to Canada?
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I just got some of this stuff in today after reading this thread, ordered it off Amazon.

Just tried my first dose.
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Just tried my first dose.
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