Get your kids vaccinated.
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I get the argument that you are a dick cause you might put your kid at risk, but how is it endangering public health? I mean don't most kids around these parts get vaccines? Why should they worry about the one or two hippie kids in school?
I don't know, but according to that immunologist, there's a "skyrocketing resurgence of deaths caused by TB, measles, and the worrying prospect of smallpox returning".
It was on the internet, so it must be true.
It was on the internet, so it must be true.
Because vaccines aren't always 100% effective. Diseases can also mutate and when you have unvaccinated hordes running around you have carrier populations that once infected can quickly spread the disease.
If you vaccinate everyone you eliminate the carriers and within a generation you can stop vaccinating people altogether because you will have completely eradicated the disease.
The WHO believes that typical vaccines have a death rate of 1:100,000 to 1:1,000,000.
In the US , there are anywhere from 5m to 10m children/young immunized per year, each with multiple vaccines.
So, according to peer reviewed study as per the WHO, vaccines do carry a real risk.
In many countries, especially our own, the chance of dying from a disease (1 in <500 for polio, 1 in 2,500 for mumps, ect) taking a vaccine was a very reasonable thing to reduce the number of people killed.
So, in the US , how many people die from vaccines? No one knows because they don't keep those records, WHO stats would estimate anywhere from 10 to maybe 100. It's not alot, but they do believe they exist.
So, how many people die from polio, measles, mumps, rubella and other diseases that are vaccinated against? The answer is zero.
Well, what's the casualty rate from such diseases in the US when they afflict those who aren't immunized? Well, as of today I haven't found a single case of anyone dying from such diseases in 5 years ,even though hundreds to a few thousand of each disease are discovered each year.
So, risk of death from vaccine 0.1%
Risk of death from immunized disease 0%
Could we reach a point where a particularly nasty version of a virus is needed to be immunized against? Absolutely. Could the lack of immunization start causing death? Sure, but it hasn't happened in the US from my research at this point yet.
In the US , there are anywhere from 5m to 10m children/young immunized per year, each with multiple vaccines.
So, according to peer reviewed study as per the WHO, vaccines do carry a real risk.
In many countries, especially our own, the chance of dying from a disease (1 in <500 for polio, 1 in 2,500 for mumps, ect) taking a vaccine was a very reasonable thing to reduce the number of people killed.
So, in the US , how many people die from vaccines? No one knows because they don't keep those records, WHO stats would estimate anywhere from 10 to maybe 100. It's not alot, but they do believe they exist.
So, how many people die from polio, measles, mumps, rubella and other diseases that are vaccinated against? The answer is zero.
Well, what's the casualty rate from such diseases in the US when they afflict those who aren't immunized? Well, as of today I haven't found a single case of anyone dying from such diseases in 5 years ,even though hundreds to a few thousand of each disease are discovered each year.
So, risk of death from vaccine 0.1%
Risk of death from immunized disease 0%
Could we reach a point where a particularly nasty version of a virus is needed to be immunized against? Absolutely. Could the lack of immunization start causing death? Sure, but it hasn't happened in the US from my research at this point yet.
This whole recent vaccination debate began because some idiots did a study that drew an invalid conclusion that there's a relationship between early childhood vaccinations and autism. This study got a bunch of hype, but to my knowledge very few practicing MD's actually subscribed to the vaccination = autism theory. That study has since been officially debunked and proven to be invalid. We've spoken to our pediatrician about it and several other doctors. Both of our kids have received their regular series of vaccinations and they're doing just fine.
The other wacko side of this is what's show in the OP. That vaccinations cause more harm that good. Bullshit. Every kid I grew up with had all the same vaccinations and I don't know of anyone who died because of them.
These clueless treehuggers that preach anti-vaccinations will be singing a different tune when their kids start getting polio, small pox, TB and other diseases that haven't been a concern for 50+ years.
Jenny McCarthy is one such nut job. http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment...ccines-irresponsible-and-inaccurate-1.1617795
The other wacko side of this is what's show in the OP. That vaccinations cause more harm that good. Bullshit. Every kid I grew up with had all the same vaccinations and I don't know of anyone who died because of them.
These clueless treehuggers that preach anti-vaccinations will be singing a different tune when their kids start getting polio, small pox, TB and other diseases that haven't been a concern for 50+ years.
Jenny McCarthy is one such nut job. http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment...ccines-irresponsible-and-inaccurate-1.1617795
I'll just leave this here: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...fueled-the-resurgence-of-preventable-diseases
^^ Holy fuck! It's that bad?
I realized it was an issue, but never realized on this large of a scale. For fuck sakes people... a healthy distrust of government is good, but when you start going against basic things like vaccination, well....
I realized it was an issue, but never realized on this large of a scale. For fuck sakes people... a healthy distrust of government is good, but when you start going against basic things like vaccination, well....
It is a risk for public health because many kids can not be vaccinated.
Either because they are too young, their parents are fucktards or because another disease keeps them from being egligible.
These kids can (and do) contract the disease and become carriers themselves, putting other kids at risk.
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So 49K cases, leaving18 kids dead, most under 3 months because of a preventable disease. In 2013 .. in a first world country. Fuck all about this
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Either because they are too young, their parents are fucktards or because another disease keeps them from being egligible.
These kids can (and do) contract the disease and become carriers themselves, putting other kids at risk.
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So 49K cases, leaving18 kids dead, most under 3 months because of a preventable disease. In 2013 .. in a first world country. Fuck all about this
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Does the anti-vaccine crowd have any explanation for why so many parents claim their children's autism symptoms started around the same time they were vaccinated?
The wife and I both got the whooping cough shot a couple of years ago because it was coming back so strong. A kid at our daughter's pre school apparently had it a month or so ago and they sent home a note to let parents know. My kids sure as hell aren't going to die from something that should be totally preventable.
Not sure what their explanation is. I'm sure as hell no doctor, but I'd be willing to bet that all of the autism hype in the past 15 years is simply because it's something they look for now. It most likely existed before vaccinations became the norm. 50 years ago I'm sure there were autistic kids, but they were lumped in to the "mentally retarded" or "slow learner" segment or just not diagnosed at all.
Bill and Melinda Gates' essay on the factors that prevent development in poor nations, and the myths surrounding them. The causes for 85% of deaths for children under the age of 5 in places like South Africa are preventable diseases. According to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, one of the biggest factors for this surrounds anti-vaccination rumors that are just as prevalent there as they are in first-world countries.
I think that's a very powerful observation.
Source: 2014 Gates Annual Letter: Myths About Foreign Aid - Gates Foundation
I think that's a very powerful observation.
Source: 2014 Gates Annual Letter: Myths About Foreign Aid - Gates Foundation
This is a good video, too.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLvJ1mqlM98]Bill Nye, Science Guy, Dispels Poverty Myths #StopTheMyth - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLvJ1mqlM98]Bill Nye, Science Guy, Dispels Poverty Myths #StopTheMyth - YouTube[/ame]
If you let your kid get this fucking disease to support your distrust of medical authority, you deserve a kroger sack over the head and a shallow grave.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw]Infant girl with whooping cough - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw]Infant girl with whooping cough - YouTube[/ame]
Assuming everyone on the planet cooperates. Developing countries are either too impoverished to afford vaccinations or they distrust (for good reasons) the countries that charitable groups come from that offer free vaccinations.
As these countries develop and pull themselves out of poverty, their citizens can afford to travel more (or just enough to move to a place with more opportunity), some who may be unwittingly carrying viruses that may have been eradicated from another area (like the U.S), where parents refuse to vaccinate their children, then are left to wonder how their children got such a rare disease after a trip to an airport, mall, or touristy attraction.
they also said 9/11 conspiracies were bullshit. anyone whos not a sheep knows the truth about that. its amazing what 95% truth/facts can do to make the other 5% propaganda seem so real.
