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Old 08-16-2010, 12:05 AM   #201
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Wow, I had no idea they were opening it on 9/11.
Rofl, if you can't see that this is nothing more than a spit in the face then I dunno what else to say.
They're not even opening on the 9/11/11, they haven't even finished designing the place or getting contractors. Anyone with a real estate degree can tell you that you can't just fix a date like that...especially considering they STILL haven't replaced the buildings on ground zero after all those years.

The info of that 9/11 opening comes straight from a biased BLOG (American Pundit) and I wouldn't trust their word too much. I think it's funny how many people get their "news" from blogs nowadays, no wonder we have people acting all irrational if they don't know the facts
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cant disagree with you there! joke is on us i guess.
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Anyone who has a problem with the mosque being built is a moron, simple as. I would like to hear a logical argument as to why a mosque can't be built near (but not even that near) ground zero.
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Anyone who has a problem with the mosque being built is a moron, simple as. I would like to hear a logical argument as to why a mosque can't be built near (but not even that near) ground zero.
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So if they can't build the mosque, are we saying that all Muslims are responsible for 9/11?

Are all Christians responsible for the murder of Dr. Tiller?

Anyway..... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Idiots.
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Religious freedom is one of the most important freedoms we have in America. That is unless the "religion" is a death cult that brutalizes women and children.
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Religious freedom is one of the most important freedoms we have in America. That is unless the "religion" is a death cult that brutalizes women and children.
Oh, is that what they're going to be doing at that "mosque" / community center?
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This shit is so stupid. I don't like Obama at all but he really doesn't have a choice other than to support it because he is supporting the constitution. Whatever.

The problem is the Muslims, like someone else said I have family that lives there and it is just plain old disrespectful. Fuck all you liberals with an AIDS dick who are all about this "oh they have the right blah blah blah" sure they do. Does it mean they should do it? No.

I can start a website called ihatesandniggers.com because that is free speech right? Does it mean I should do it? No.

You liberals I swear just absolutely no common sense try using the thing between your ears sometime.
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I think it's disrespectful to not allow them to build the "mosque".

Muslims aren't terrorists and Muslims were murdered on 9/11. Saying that they shouldn't build the mosque is labeling ALL Muslims terrorists.... That's dumb (and disrespectful), you're creating more enemies for yourself than is necessary.
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Religious freedom is one of the most important freedoms we have in America. That is unless the "religion" is a death cult that brutalizes women and children.
Last time I heard about someone getting raped in a religious building it was a small child by a catholic priest. "I'm willing to bet" that for every cited source of a woman being raped in a mosque on U.S. soil, I can find 10 more showing a little kid getting ass raped by a priest. And since you like linking to stories about rape victims of a religion in other countries, you may like this: http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ce-701958.html
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Last time I heard about someone getting raped in a religious building it was a small child by a catholic priest. "I'm willing to bet" that for every cited source of a woman being raped in a mosque on U.S. soil, I can find 10 more showing a little kid getting ass raped by a priest.
Or getting brownies packed by boy scout leaders. (... hey, if girl scouts can box cookies...)
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Last time I heard about someone getting raped in a religious building it was a small child by a catholic priest. "I'm willing to bet" that for every cited source of a woman being raped in a mosque on U.S. soil, I can find 10 more showing a little kid getting ass raped by a priest. And since you like linking to stories about rape victims of a religion in other countries, you may like this: Priest who assisted child rape to appeal sentence - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Liberals like you are the ones who are the most dangerous to our country and our future. I talked about this in another thread but let me recap here. Basically what you are doing is diverting our attention from the discussion at hand, which right now is this mosque. I have to give you credit because your technique is very effective, and garners lots of attention.

The reason why this works is pretty simple, because instead of you arguing about the problem at hand (the Mosque), you bring up Christianity. Now this will fly with 90% of Americans because they are gullible, but the smart ones see you as an idiot. The smart and rational thing to do is argue against the topic at hand, which again is the mosque. You have chosen to bring Christianity for no reason other than your own distaste for it. This could be because you were raped as a child by a priest, I don't know and honestly I don't give a fuck why you have something against Christians, it really doesn't matter. If you ever took any classes on proper discourse and/or debate or have ever read any books on it, you will know what you are doing is really a stupid thing to do. You never see any presidents when in a debate say "ohhh wellll loookkk @@@@ whatttt theyyyy aree doinggnsdsss". You know why? Because it is dumb. It prevents any sort of progress on what we are trying to solve right now. Right now there is a discussion about the mosque and if it is a problem or not. Nobody is talking about priests raping little boys. Yes that is a problem in its own right, but that is neither here nor there. Now we are going to end up arguing which religion is worse and pointing out there flaws, which does NOTHING to stop the problem at hand which again is the mosque. Not only does it prevent any action from being taken, it prevents ideas from being put forth cause idiots like you are so concerned with bringing down someone else (Christianity here) for whatever reason.

And if you really want to get into the argument about Christianity versus Muslims with something that is DIRECTLY related to the issue at hand, look at this:

POPE ORDERS NUNS OUT OF AUSCHWITZ - NYTimes.com

That is almost the EXACT same position the Muslims are in now. The pope could have said yeah we have our right to build it here, but the fact is he didn't, he respected the Jews (whether their feelings were right or wrong) and knew it would be good for future relations and made the smart PR move, somethign the Muslims have shown they could give two fucks about.

Again, I am on the side the Muslims should just respect peoples feelings and get the good PR while they are at it by simply moving it somewhere that is farther than a few hundred feet from ground zero. Whether these people are justified in their prejudices or not, there is no sense in pissing millions of people off. You as a liberal probably cannot understand that though. I guess to us conservatives its just logical so it naturally makes sense.

Again I pity people like you. I will respect your thoughts and opinions until you get into a little pissy fit like a 2 year old fucking girl pointing the finger at other religions when it has NOTHING, yes I repeat FUCKING NOTHING to do with the problem at hand, which is what we are going to do about these Mosques. Please pick up a book on how to put forth a logical debate without whining. Thank yaaaaaaaaaaas
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Liberals like you are the ones who are the most dangerous to our country and our future. I talked about this in another thread but let me recap here. Basically what you are doing is diverting our attention from the discussion at hand, which right now is this mosque. I have to give you credit because your technique is very effective, and garners lots of attention.
Hey cowboy, I was responding to Popeye's post about some chick getting raped in Sweden. Explain what that has to do with a mosque in N.Y. and I'll eat at Taco Bell.
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Dude I am not sticking up for popeye I don't know what he said. I am saying you blatantly did the "Oh noezzz look what they do too" instead. Two rights don't make a wrong buddy, I hope we can agree there.

And liberals do this on all kinds of levels is what is sad. Where I see it most is when you guys pull the race cards (see Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton). It really just frustrates me because we can't talk about the topic at hand because now we are arguing about the damn Christian priests. Has nothing to do with anything going on in NYC buddy.
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Oh! I see what you did there.
You introduced the Taco bell joke, and like your typical idiot, I chased it, totally forgetting we were talking about the evil-doers in turbins building their uptown bomb factory.

Damn. You're good. You're REALLY GOOD! Your like a liberal jedi with your powers of diversion.
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If you don't know what Popeye said, then you didn't read my post and just decided to blurt out some rabble rabble. Popeye's post is quoted in mine and takes up 90% of the container.
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Screw this. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone. I checked out tacobell.com and those crazy bastards have CANTINA TACOS. CANTINA TACOS, BITCHES! You can't get those while arguing about a homosexual liberal breading ground like N.Y.C.



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Then why don't you read what popeye said? He was responding to popeye.

Ok fine you two, I read popeye's post. I guess at least he was talking about the religion at hand. Again, I ask why would you bring up Christianity? What the fuck is the point of that other than to bitch/divert attention from the matter at hand.

And subigo since you seem so set on discussing Christianity, let's here what your thoughts are on what the Pope did (pulling out the nuns because it was angering the Jews). I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about that.
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How about this.... there's no fucking sky-daddy for all you religious nut bags.

No religion = we wouldn't be discussing this bs.

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you guys (subigo) it's 2010 there's no chance of getting rid of Christianity in America yet, but there is a chance of stopping this particular Muslim center from being built in it's proposed location. If you're against the Christianity craziness how can you not be against Islam and all it's backwardness also? Maybe in 10 years things with Catholics will be so bad that the majority of the US will be against that religion/cult also.
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I'd really like a response as to what you think about the pope and what he did. You really seem keen along with a few others in here with bashing Christianity so I really, really would like to know what you think what the pope did was right.

My two cents, yes. Because it was the respectful thing to do.
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I find it odd that the biggest supporters of the Mosque being built are also the biggest critics of bible-thumpers.

I'm not a fan of the Christians that are always trying to impose their views on others either, but even though they may be stuck in the 19th century, at least they're not stuck in the 9th century. Mainstream Muslims views on women's rights, gay rights, religious and political freedoms etc. should have you fuckers up in arms, but I guess not.

With rights come responsibilities. Is it right for the Klan to march through Birmingham on MLK day? Is it right for nazi's to fuck with people at the Holocaust memorial? Is it right for that church to protest at soldiers funerals? If people want to follow their religion that's fine, but they should at least be mindful of blatantly offending such a large number of people. If they really do feel for the families of 9/11 victims, shouldn't they at least give them the respect of building a new mosque anywhere but lower Manhattan?
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I'd really like a response as to what you think about the pope and what he did. You really seem keen along with a few others in here with bashing Christianity so I really, really would like to know what you think what the pope did was right.

My two cents, yes. Because it was the respectful thing to do.
Take a lesson folks. That's how you shut up a liberal.
Notice how suddenly quiet their corner became?
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I find it odd that the biggest supporters of the Mosque being built are also the biggest critics of bible-thumpers.

I'm not a fan of the Christians that are always trying to impose their views on others either, but even though they may be stuck in the 19th century, at least they're not stuck in the 9th century. Mainstream Muslims views on women's rights, gay rights, religious and political freedoms etc. should have you fuckers up in arms, but I guess not.

With rights come responsibilities. Is it right for the Klan to march through Birmingham on MLK day? Is it right for nazi's to fuck with people at the Holocaust memorial? Is it right for that church to protest at soldiers funerals? If people want to follow their religion that's fine, but they should at least be mindful of blatantly offending such a large number of people. If they really do feel for the families of 9/11 victims, shouldn't they at least give them the respect of building a new mosque anywhere but lower Manhattan?

One of the most intelligent posts I have seen in awhile. But again bro head over to Digg and you will see just how hypo-fucking-critical liberals can be. They are SO quick to whine about anything Christian, but when it comes to anything Muslim they are all for calling conservatives and the like "racists" or whatever. Complete bullshit if you ask me. But hey, they will never admit that.


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Notice how suddenly quiet their corner became?
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True that bro. But I mean this stuff is so normal its sickening. I don't know what it is with liberals if they feel guilty or what, but it is almost like they hate our own country and anything it stands for. Yeah I am all for religious freedom, hell I would even defend the constitution in a situation like this sticking up for the Muslims, but it doesn't mean I won't be fucking pissed because of their blatant disregard for how millions of Americans feel about it. But hey right there is when a liberal normally calls me racist or prejudice and we immediately get off topic again.

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Nigga, I was gettin' some tacos. These bitches be good.

And to answer his question, I could give a shit what the Pope did. So some nuns lived in a Auschwitz death camp... who cares? If it caused such a PR shit-storm that the Pope (why the hell am I capitalizing that?) wanted them to move, so be it. It's all about the money anyway.

Do I think the Muslims are building the mosque to piss people off? Probably a lot of them are and probably a lot of them aren't. Welcome to the world of thinking religious people are fucking insane.

U.G. said above that he thought it was funny that the: "biggest supporters of the Mosque being built are also the biggest critics of bible-thumpers".... well no shit. Again I say, welcome to my world. Would I prefer ALL religions disappear from the face of the Earth to never return? Sure. But I'm a realist, and as a realist I don't think there will ever be a time in human history without religion. So guess what, you people hating the fact that mosque is being built, well, you're just getting a taste of what it's like every single time I see a new mega-church being built in my town. You might disagree with the building of the mosque for different reasons, but ultimiately, welcome to the world of seeing religious buildings you disagree with popping up all over the place. And don't for a second say, "well, it's innnnsensitve". Boo-fucking-hoo... I find the build of mega-churches innnnsensitive.

The difference between you and me is this, you're gonna all bitch about it and either do nothing or die in a holy war, while I, well, I'm going to sit back with my bag of popcorn and watch the religious freaks on both sides tear each other apart. Preferably from a nice cabin, deep in the Canadian Rockies.
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It doesn't matter what is "right", it matters what is legal.

I love how so called "libertarians" are now conveniently interpreting the constitution the way they want, and not how it is written.

I don't care if it's "right" for this organization to build a Mosque so close to Ground Zero, as long as it's legal. Church groups constantly protest strip club and try to derail new applications for such clubs - Are they entitled to their opinion? Yes. Do they have a legal ground to stop it, if all applicable local, state, and federal laws/regulations are met? No. An abortion clinic can be built next to a Church, so long as the zoning laws allow medical offices.

Is it "right" for the Westboro Baptist Church to protest military funerals? My opinion is no. Is it legal? Yes.

You can argue day and night about whether it's right to do, but our constitution protects both private property and religious freedom.

I've yet to hear one constitutional/legal argument as to why this project should not be allowed. Plenty of behaviors that someone can deem as offensive are perfectly legal in America.

The moral police on this board can continue arguing about what's right. And then go back to pushing rebills. Which I'm sure someone could claim aren't "right". But if it's legal, keep at it. The last thing you'd want is the Government coming in and deciding what's "right", even if the process is legal, right?
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I've yet to hear one constitutional/legal argument as to why this project should not be allowed.
Because nobody is arguing that it isn't legal.

The point is there is some shit you just don't do, in order to keep the peace and respect other people. If I lost my wife or child in 9/11, I would blow that bitch up as soon as they finished building it. I have a feeling someone is going to take matters into their own hands and innocent people will die because of their blatant disregard for the feelings of the victims families. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they're asking for trouble, and when you ask for trouble you generally find it.
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I've yet to hear one constitutional/legal argument as to why this project should not be allowed. Plenty of behaviors that someone can deem as offensive are perfectly legal in America.
I was not advocating any sort of legal action. The argument here is that this push by the Muslims to go forth with this will only further themselves from their goal (which they say is to better their relations with us), and because they are so blatantly unaware of how much bad PR they are getting because of this, I can only reason that either:

a. They are literally fucking retarded. I'm talking 10 IQ points here.
b. They just don't give a fuck and want to spit in our faces.

My money is on b. (waiting for you liberals to step in and tell me I'm retarded and being racist/disrespectful/typical liberal response here).
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Probably a lot of them are and probably a lot of them aren't.
Then I don't have a problem with your train of thought then for the most part if you can admit that. A lot of people defending this don't see that, or won't admit it. It's a big clusterfuck of a situation, bettering our relations with the Muslim people will be pretty difficult provided this is true (and I believe it is true to some extent).

Which leads me back to a lot of people who I attack (the liberals on the left standing up for this) because say this is true like you believe, then you can't call me racist anymore or anything. I think it is PERFECTLY rational that millions of people will be pissed if millions of muslims are building this thing to spit in our faces. The problem I have is liberals calling me racist or unfair when I'm pissed at them for blatantly building it to piss us off as you said. Again, I don't think its unreasoable for me to be pissed. Maybe its not 100% rational, but hey that is the way human nature works. You reach out and hit me you bet I am going to want to fucking hit you back.
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A few photos of stuff the same distance from the World Trade Center as the “Ground Zero Mosque”:

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Pretty sure they aren't the ones that blew up the WTC and killed 3,000 Americans in the name of Allah, but I'm sure you've got a point somewhere in there.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:33 AM   #248
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A few photos of stuff the same distance from the World Trade Center as the “Ground Zero Mosque”:

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These things you name are all less offensive to me than a mosque. In fact, I'm actually not offended at all by the tittie bar and gambling spot.

Perhaps if they had more places in the middle east were a motherfucker could sit down after work and have a beer and look at some titties while betting on some cricket match(or w/e it is they watch over there), maybe we would have less religious fuck-sticks coming from that region.
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One thing I haven't noticed anyone mention in here is that there is a mosque inside the Pentagon.
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I was not advocating any sort of legal action. The argument here is that this push by the Muslims to go forth with this will only further themselves from their goal (which they say is to better their relations with us), and because they are so blatantly unaware of how much bad PR they are getting because of this, I can only reason that either:

a. They are literally fucking retarded. I'm talking 10 IQ points here.
b. They just don't give a fuck and want to spit in our faces.

My money is on b. (waiting for you liberals to step in and tell me I'm retarded and being racist/disrespectful/typical liberal response here).
Here's the thing dawg. I agree that what they are doing is stupid.

But they are at a certain distance away from ground zero. Like two blocks I think. If we're gonna tell them what they are doing is offensive, where do we draw the line?

Do we say 10 blocks from ground zero is non-mosque grounds? How do we frame what is and isn't morally acceptable for muslims or any religion in this situation?
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