WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum

Go Back   WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum > >

Suggestion Box Have feedback on how to make the forum better? Well, chances are pretty good we won't read it, because this is just here for show to pretend that we "care". But maybe by some chance one of our mods will be bored enough, look at it, and use the idea.


Welcome to the WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
View Poll Results: Should we have a Joint Venture section added to WF
Yes 30 83.33%
No 6 16.67%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-01-2012, 04:47 PM   #1
p0ck3taces
Define title
 
p0ck3taces's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,002
iTrader: 45 / 96%
p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces
Wfexclusive Add a Joint Venture Section?

I feel like Wickedfire should have a dedicated JV section. I see a lot of random
JV's just happen and come together from shooting the shit threads and other
sections of the forum, but I think a dedicated section for Joint Ventures
would be a pretty popular and useful add-on to the forum.

This is where threads like "link exchange" "BST service exchange" etc. could go.

Yes or no?
p0ck3taces is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Ad
Old 08-22-2012, 04:52 PM   #2
super
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 631
iTrader: 6 / 100%
super has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond reputesuper has a reputation beyond repute
Definitely good idea, I see such a section working well on couple similar forums.
super is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2012, 05:20 AM   #3
qalott
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: planet Earth
Posts: 566
iTrader: 24 / 100%
qalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond reputeqalott has a reputation beyond repute
i would also second this opinion.. very good idea for wickedfire.
qalott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #4
swiftmoney
 
swiftmoney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 999
iTrader: 20 / 95%
swiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond reputeswiftmoney has a reputation beyond repute
I would like to back this idea.
Would be highly beneficial for many members.
swiftmoney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2012, 09:25 PM   #5
conjamuk
Stakin Stacks
 
conjamuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,765
iTrader: 5 / 100%
conjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond reputeconjamuk has a reputation beyond repute
I would like to see this implemented also.

conjamuk is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Ad
Old 09-24-2012, 11:43 PM   #6
Bi Chang
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 43
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Bi Chang has a spectacular aura about
I Agree....................
Bi Chang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2012, 03:34 PM   #7
seodon
money money
 
seodon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Internet!
Posts: 1,634
iTrader: 124 / 100%
seodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond reputeseodon has a reputation beyond repute
Jon would seriously think about this....
seodon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2012, 01:16 PM   #8
Chris Gonzales
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 33
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Chris Gonzales has a spectacular aura about
Yes , i would recommend it...Hope the Admin considers it , it's best for people with Lists..
Chris Gonzales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2012, 06:53 PM   #9
urlink
Not Banned
 
urlink's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In The Wickedness
Posts: 28
iTrader: 0 / 0%
urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink urlink
its been awhile...no jv section yet?
urlink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2012, 07:24 PM   #10
shawnhag
Click for details
 
shawnhag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: interwebs
Posts: 3,639
iTrader: 117 / 99%
shawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond reputeshawnhag has a reputation beyond repute
id love to see a section like this and think it could benefit all
shawnhag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2012, 07:21 AM   #11
Maverick 2.0
Senior Member
 
Maverick 2.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 173
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Maverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond reputeMaverick 2.0 has a reputation beyond repute
+1 for the idea
Maverick 2.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2012, 03:20 PM   #12
Austin AT
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 92
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT Austin AT
+1 honestly , it's useful for people with lists etc..
Austin AT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2012, 06:59 AM   #13
Akeisha
Blog Comments Girl
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: llinois, Chicago
Posts: 447
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Akeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond reputeAkeisha has a reputation beyond repute
+1 from my end, I honestly about to give suggestion, but I saw your thread. if WF gets JV section then It must have some rules to prevent from Scammers.

Just my 2cents.
Akeisha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2012, 11:00 PM   #14
contract
::\\\ Motivªtion ///::
 
contract's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: California, USA
Posts: 1,923
iTrader: 3 / 100%
contract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond reputecontract has a reputation beyond repute
Yes, but with a minimum post count to see/join it.
contract is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 10:48 AM   #15
HiGhPeR
Designer
 
HiGhPeR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: h6.cr
Posts: 2,432
iTrader: 48 / 100%
HiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond reputeHiGhPeR has a reputation beyond repute
If any of you guys want to do any sort of JV feel free to get in touch with me via skype: kappa_83 or pm me.
__________________
www.hyper6.com | skype: kappa_83
HiGhPeR is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Ad
Old 11-21-2012, 10:57 PM   #16
chatmasta
Senior Member
 
chatmasta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 2,613
iTrader: 24 / 100%
chatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond reputechatmasta has a reputation beyond repute
yes definitely
chatmasta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 06:21 PM   #17
adigitalorange
Senior Member
 
adigitalorange's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 343
iTrader: 6 / 100%
adigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond reputeadigitalorange has a reputation beyond repute
I for one definitely vote yes. This is a great idea and I am sure many members here looking to expand would find it invaluable.
adigitalorange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 07:16 PM   #18
CCarter
Final Boss ®
 
CCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: @MercenaryCarter
Posts: 4,503
iTrader: 10 / 100%
CCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond repute
Please end this thread..

Are you guys thinking about the legal implications of this? I mean imagine, if dare god, a JV FAILED? Some dick might decide it was because of the JV section on WF being the reason of him losing Trillions of pennies, and sue.

The BST is a seller and buyer scenario. It has some enforcement outside of paypal enforcement. Who would someone go to to enforce a JV? A mod? A admin? Jon? That's a legal nightmare.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe, but some JVs maybe considered an investment, which would need a securities licensee to even discuss. Imagine if someone pulls a Bernie Madoff here and now Jon has the SEC breathing down WF's neck, since WF is actually condoning JVs here. Also, since several people are international here, doing business in countries that may or may not be friendly, now you got Homeland Security involved, and maybe Interpol, if someone pulls a scam. Also, Immigration would be involved if an "investor" is foreign and someone tried to run an EB5 investor visa scenario...

I can go on and on about the legal implications about this, but someone more knowledgeable should take over. I know all this from past business dealings and clients, so yeah, when you do promote cross border commerce, like real commerce, not buying a digital product like links or seo, but actual investments, creating corporations, etc, things become a headache for whoever owns the land that is running that show.

It's not worth the headache.

Probably why you haven't seen anyone at the top comment on this... But again, that's just me rambling on... don't take anything I say seriously...


Carry on...
CCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 10:44 PM   #19
p0ck3taces
Define title
 
p0ck3taces's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,002
iTrader: 45 / 96%
p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces p0ck3taces
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
Please end this thread..

Are you guys thinking about the legal implications of this? I mean imagine, if dare god, a JV FAILED? Some dick might decide it was because of the JV section on WF being the reason of him losing Trillions of pennies, and sue.

The BST is a seller and buyer scenario. It has some enforcement outside of paypal enforcement. Who would someone go to to enforce a JV? A mod? A admin? Jon? That's a legal nightmare.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe, but some JVs maybe considered an investment, which would need a securities licensee to even discuss. Imagine if someone pulls a Bernie Madoff here and now Jon has the SEC breathing down WF's neck, since WF is actually condoning JVs here. Also, since several people are international here, doing business in countries that may or may not be friendly, now you got Homeland Security involved, and maybe Interpol, if someone pulls a scam. Also, Immigration would be involved if an "investor" is foreign and someone tried to run an EB5 investor visa scenario...

I can go on and on about the legal implications about this, but someone more knowledgeable should take over. I know all this from past business dealings and clients, so yeah, when you do promote cross border commerce, like real commerce, not buying a digital product like links or seo, but actual investments, creating corporations, etc, things become a headache for whoever owns the land that is running that show.

It's not worth the headache.

Probably why you haven't seen anyone at the top comment on this... But again, that's just me rambling on... don't take anything I say seriously...


Carry on...
A JV section doesn't need to mean an investment section. It can be clearly laid out in the rules asking for investment is not allowed.

I'm simply thinking of a place where people can do things like "I need someone good at/has connections with X. I have X business opportunity. Lets chat." OR someone can open a thread for trading BST's like people have paid to make in the BST section in the past since there was nowhere else for the thread. OR many people have asked for a thread/section dedicated for link exchanging, this would be a great section for those conversations. OR we have had people wanting to put their abilities together for causes IE the tons of Ron Paul threads with people trying to work together. OR maybe you have a startup idea, but you need a programmer.

There's a lot of threads like these that are made in shooting the shit or BST, but they don't really fit in either.
p0ck3taces is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2012, 11:59 PM   #20
CCarter
Final Boss ®
 
CCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: @MercenaryCarter
Posts: 4,503
iTrader: 10 / 100%
CCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ck3taces View Post
A JV section doesn't need to mean an investment section. It can be clearly laid out in the rules asking for investment is not allowed.
You're not thinking about the legal implications of this. A JV, Joint Venture, is a business agreement between two companies or persons, which requires, if they are smart, contracts, entities to be created, etc. By having this section, you open up WF to the possibility of having someone, even if it's in the rules, cause people break the rules all the time, fucking it up. For example, as soon as you mention a specific investment to a foreign person regarding a USA business, entity, etc. You are breaking the law, IF you don't have a securities licensee involved. Did you know that? In fact, same goes with mentioning a specific investment with both parties being in the US. (If a business attorney can step in here and correct me, please go ahead, but this is rules being handed down from the latest immigration and Investor visa laws). There are tons of laws about this.

There is even a law, to the effect, that you cannot approach an individual about a specific investment, UNLESS you are a securities broker OR a controlling owner or executive of a company. If you are, then obviously lawyers are going to be involved if you are talking about moving or making serious money.

If the purpose is so two persons in their mom's basements are circle jerking each other calling themselves CEO and doing JV, yeah… go ahead. SEC is not really going to be concerned with that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ck3taces View Post
I'm simply thinking of a place where people can do things like "I need someone good at/has connections with X. I have X business opportunity. Lets chat."
If you tell someone you have a business opportunity without realizing the securities laws you are breaking, that's on you. But since you are jumping on WF in their JV section, WF can be subpoena-ed 7 years from now, from some stupid shit you said. I'm getting subpoenas for websites I designed in 2007, so yeah, that record "I have a X business opportunity", gets subpoenaed, and any records they want… again, big fucking headache.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ck3taces View Post
OR someone can open a thread for trading BST's like people have paid to make in the BST section in the past since there was nowhere else for the thread. OR many people have asked for a thread/section dedicated for link exchanging, this would be a great section for those conversations.
The T in BST stands for trading.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ck3taces View Post
OR we have had people wanting to put their abilities together for causes IE the tons of Ron Paul threads with people trying to work together.
I don't know what the implications of creating a Super PAC are, and the rules, but I guarantee you there are, and inviting political trouble is not good idea. Also if you are thinking of charities, still more legal implications, since you are exchanging serious money, AND has a tax benefit, Which that last part is key. So now you got the IRS involved in case something goes wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p0ck3taces View Post
OR maybe you have a startup idea, but you need a programmer.
Same scenario with the subpoenas and I would assume there is also legal problems with this place facilitating that conversation. Since there is a record of it on here, WF would be in a position to hand over the records in case something goes wrong. Also, if you are getting with a programmer/coder and are creating an entity with partnership, lawyers will be involved. If you are hiring them for employment, that's not a JV, there is monster.com for that.

This is me shooting of the top of my head of all the scenario that can go wrong. A lawyer should really step in here and explain better some of these points.

You really need to consider the legal ramifications of having a place where people are CONDONED to come together and form legal entities. You don't want that headache nor to be that place when anyone of the hundreds of government agencies from around the world come knocking on that door.

I had an investor portal… actually someone I knew had an investor portal, and their lawyers where being ver specific not to mention direct investments on the website. The scenario was that you had to first qualify the investor as being an investor with money then get a licensed broker involved to mention the entity, even if no actual money is being moved back and forth. It was an international thing, so there was a lot more government entities. Headaches… when you solve one 12 new ones pop up just that day.

In BST there is buyer and seller, there is moderating, and also control at the payment level. The legal ramification if someone rips off someone for $100 is pretty tiny versus a JV where a big money entity gets screwed and they have a hard-on for this place. The SEC would be scrutinizing all the records, logs, all sorts of shit. You're really not considering the legal ramifications of what a JV section, where legal entities are being created, can do if ONLY ONE thing goes wrong.

If you owned this place, would you want to deal with any of the headaches I mentioned? Seems counter-productive to really making money. I don't own this place, nor speak for WF's owners, I'm just pointing out the massive problems I can spot with this idea in 10 minutes. It sounds like a good idea from one perspective, and it's pretty popular, but from a legal point… a nightmare in the making.
CCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2012, 05:12 AM   #21
shounid
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3
iTrader: 0 / 0%
shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid
Checkthisout

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
Please end this thread..

Are you guys thinking about the legal implications of this? I mean imagine, if dare god, a JV FAILED? Some dick might decide it was because of the JV section on WF being the reason of him losing Trillions of pennies, and sue.

The BST is a seller and buyer scenario. It has some enforcement outside of paypal enforcement. Who would someone go to to enforce a JV? A mod? A admin? Jon? That's a legal nightmare.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, I maybe, but some JVs maybe considered an investment, which would need a securities licensee to even discuss. Imagine if someone pulls a Bernie Madoff here and now Jon has the SEC breathing down WF's neck, since WF is actually condoning JVs here. Also, since several people are international here, doing business in countries that may or may not be friendly, now you got Homeland Security involved, and maybe Interpol, if someone pulls a scam. Also, Immigration would be involved if an "investor" is foreign and someone tried to run an EB5 investor visa scenario...

I can go on and on about the legal implications about this, but someone more knowledgeable should take over. I know all this from past business dealings and clients, so yeah, when you do promote cross border commerce, like real commerce, not buying a digital product like links or seo, but actual investments, creating corporations, etc, things become a headache for whoever owns the land that is running that show.

It's not worth the headache.

Probably why you haven't seen anyone at the top comment on this... But again, that's just me rambling on... don't take anything I say seriously...


Carry on...
You are absolutely wrong...

1.If we think like as you say ,all the webmasters forum(excluding wickedfire) have a JV Section and only a few have moderating etc..but not even 1 forum is under legal problem due to any scam taking part there ...or not any head ache for having the section...You are talking some thing very new..

For example , bhw - a single JV Thread has scammed around 15k USD ,but Diamond Damien(owner of the forum) does not even bother about it or he is not under ANY Legal problems...or probably he does not even know such thing is happening there..Can you say 1 example for your claim to be afraid ?

So how will the forum be responsible if any users are scamming ?


it's the responsibility of users of what ever they fall in...

What you are saying is like if a buyer on BST is scammed , according to your thought , wickedfire is responsible for that..but actually it's the seller..wickedfire may or may not take action against it , but ofcourse they are not under any legal issue...


p0ck3taces Said it correctly :

A JV section doesn't need to mean an investment section. It can be clearly laid out in the rules asking for investment is not allowed...

An example for this - wafo..

My opinion on this thread now :

I myself is an investor and have invested in various web opportunities and i would definitely like to see a JV Section on wickedfire..to invest more..
shounid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2012, 07:29 AM   #22
CCarter
Final Boss ®
 
CCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: @MercenaryCarter
Posts: 4,503
iTrader: 10 / 100%
CCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
You are absolutely wrong...

1.If we think like as you say ,all the webmasters forum(excluding wickedfire) have a JV Section and only a few have moderating etc..but not even 1 forum is under legal problem due to any scam taking part there ...or not any head ache for having the section...You are talking some thing very new..

For example , bhw - a single JV Thread has scammed around 15k USD ,but Diamond Damien(owner of the forum) does not even bother about it or he is not under ANY Legal problems...or probably he does not even know such thing is happening there..Can you say 1 example for your claim to be afraid ?

So how will the forum be responsible if any users are scamming ?


it's the responsibility of users of what ever they fall in...

What you are saying is like if a buyer on BST is scammed , according to your thought , wickedfire is responsible for that..but actually it's the seller..wickedfire may or may not take action against it , but ofcourse they are not under any legal issue...


p0ck3taces Said it correctly :

A JV section doesn't need to mean an investment section. It can be clearly laid out in the rules asking for investment is not allowed...

An example for this - wafo..

My opinion on this thread now :

I myself is an investor and have invested in various web opportunities and i would definitely like to see a JV Section on wickedfire..to invest more..
If I am ABSOLUTELY wrong, how come you did not address any of the actual legal consequences/concerns I mentioned specifically? I was pretty specific in my answers, you just gave examples of people breaking the law, and you clearly don't realize it. It's like saying, "well those guys haven't gone to jail yet after robbing that house so it must be okay."

I went line by line, and gave examples of JV without investment, but you completely ignored that, and went to the JV with investment portion, which again, I was very specific, either way. If you can actually show me step by step of why i am wrong, I will be more will to "take your word for it, as an investor".

All your literally said was "You are wrong, and I invested in web opportunities, and want to see a JV section, therefore you are ABSOLUTELY wrong." Very bold statement.

What where the characterisation of your "web opportunities"? That one of the most vague key phrases you stated, while I was more specific to legal consequences.

You know simply stating I am wrong,,, doesn't actually make me wrong, you know. p0ck3taces gave examples, i countered with legal consequences, and you counter with.... "you are ABSOLUTELY wrong." LMFAO, great debate and argument.

It sounds like you originated from BHW and WaFo... Maybe there is a "scammy" feeling there, maybe that's one of the reason you have deflected? Huh? I mean, there are JV threads there that the owners don't care about on BHW (by your own admission - so i guess you want to open WF to that level of scams) and WaFo, is well WaFo, after all. But yet you are here with your 2 posts... I have to wonder why you suggest to also turn this place into the hell holes those places are, after leaving there? My answers are constructed to protect members, whether they realize it or not, and the greatness that is this forum, what sets it apart from those shit holes you came out of.

We operate at a high level here. If I am wrong, you actually have to prove it. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass. When you come back to debate, I mean with legal citation, I'll proceed to show you case by case , scenario by scenario on why I am actually more on course to being correct than you are. You claim to be an "investor"... From BHW and WaFo... you should think about that statement, and find the illogic yourself. I think everyone reading that part sees and feels the BS in that statement, so I am not going to continue...

Carry on...
CCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2012, 08:14 AM   #23
shounid
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3
iTrader: 0 / 0%
shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid shounid
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
If I am ABSOLUTELY wrong, how come you did not address any of the actual legal consequences/concerns I mentioned specifically? I was pretty specific in my answers, you just gave examples of people breaking the law, and you clearly don't realize it. It's like saying, "well those guys haven't gone to jail yet after robbing that house so it must be okay."

I went line by line, and gave examples of JV without investment, but you completely ignored that, and went to the JV with investment portion, which again, I was very specific, either way. If you can actually show me step by step of why i am wrong, I will be more will to "take your word for it, as an investor".

All your literally said was "You are wrong, and I invested in web opportunities, and want to see a JV section, therefore you are ABSOLUTELY wrong." Very bold statement.

What where the characterisation of your "web opportunities"? That one of the most vague key phrases you stated, while I was more specific to legal consequences.

You know simply stating I am wrong,,, doesn't actually make me wrong, you know. p0ck3taces gave examples, i countered with legal consequences, and you counter with.... "you are ABSOLUTELY wrong." LMFAO, great debate and argument.

It sounds like you originated from BHW and WaFo... Maybe there is a "scammy" feeling there, maybe that's one of the reason you have deflected? Huh? I mean, there are JV threads there that the owners don't care about on BHW (by your own admission - so i guess you want to open WF to that level of scams) and WaFo, is well WaFo, after all. But yet you are here with your 2 posts... I have to wonder why you suggest to also turn this place into the hell holes those places are, after leaving there? My answers are constructed to protect members, whether they realize it or not, and the greatness that is this forum, what sets it apart from those shit holes you came out of.

We operate at a high level here. If I am wrong, you actually have to prove it. Otherwise you are talking out of your ass. When you come back to debate, I mean with legal citation, I'll proceed to show you case by case , scenario by scenario on why I am actually more on course to being correct than you are. You claim to be an "investor"... From BHW and WaFo... you should think about that statement, and find the illogic yourself. I think everyone reading that part sees and feels the BS in that statement, so I am not going to continue...

Carry on...

Quote:
All your literally said was "You are wrong, and I invested in web opportunities, and want to see a JV section, therefore you are ABSOLUTELY wrong." Very bold statement.
That's not all i said , but i told that also..I explained it's not illegal or head ache for the forum owner to have a JV Section..and i quoted examples for that..like all forums like bhw , wafo have jv sections and scams are also done by few artists , but more legit business are also taking part , but for the scam part , the owner of the forum is not under any legal condition or any "head ache"...

Quote:
You know simply stating I am wrong,
I also gave a brief explanation...after stating that you are wrong , and still i can say you are completely wrong in your logic..There has never been a case on forum owner for any scam taking in a forum ..LOL...If that's the case , forum owners have to quit their forums and look for other business opportunities..cause all major forums have at-least 1 scam happening daily and so 1 Legal case on the forum owners daily ?lol..

Quote:
You claim to be an "investor"... From BHW and WaFo... you should think about that statement, and find the illogic yourself. I think everyone reading that part sees and feels the BS in that statement, so I am not going to continue...
What's wrong with being an investor from bhw or wafo , there are many threads asking for investment there...and i'm into a few which seems like legit opportunities , and i don't find anything "illogical" You will not continue on this because now you don't have anything to answer this... Because there is nothing wrong in being an investor from bhw or wafo..and you have to explain me the BS in that statement...if you can't continue ...fuck off nobody wants your opinion without reasons..




Quote:
We operate at a high level here
Yes , I agree .I'm not talking any low quality of the forum , don't even know why you took this point..i never mentioned about quality or Level of the forum..

Ok , enough ..i will give you one statement for you to think:

If what you are saying is correct , then all the major forums like wafo , bhw , dp etc would not have a JV Section , or do you need more simpler explanation ?
shounid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2012, 11:59 AM   #24
CCarter
Final Boss ®
 
CCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: @MercenaryCarter
Posts: 4,503
iTrader: 10 / 100%
CCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
That's not all i said , but i told that also..I explained it's not illegal or head ache for the forum owner to have a JV Section [...] the owner of the forum is not under any legal condition or any "head ache"...
I never stated it was illegal, I stated it was a headache.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
There has never been a case on forum owner for any scam taking in a forum ..LOL...
ORLY? Quick Google, this is a case of a $10 million dollar lawsuit, involving forum owners and "employees" (they may have not been involved), and members of the actual forum:
10 Million Dollar lawsuit against forum owner & members - Admin Zone Forums

TLDR; Someone said the board made a statement that negatively impacted the bottomline of a competitor, (a person died and others gut sick). It stated a long debate. The competitor sued the members, subpoenaed the records, and made statements that some of the forum employees were proactive in the negative campaign.

I have not followed up with what happened to the case, you can if you would like, but here is one example of forums owners getting sued or being subpoenaed. Whether they won or not, is a completely different story. Getting sued is a headache.

Let's go down the yellow brick road, shall we? since you love BHW so much…

Here is a forum topic talking about how Digital Point's Owner is geting sued, on BHW: Digital Point Owner Sued for Cookie Stuffing

that links to this page:

Digital Point's Shawn Hogan Sued for Cookie Stuffing

that links to this page:

Courthouse News Service

WF thread talking about its something called RICO, if I am not correct:
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-s...ml#post1914688

You're statement of forum owners not getting used when scams are performed on their sites is incorrect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
If what you are saying is correct , then all the major forums like wafo , bhw , dp etc would not have a JV Section , or do you need more simpler explanation ?
Answer: Their idiots, and if they took the time to consult a lawyer on some of the activity going on in those forums, they would realize several problems. Right now they are playing ignorant.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
What's wrong with being an investor from bhw or wafo , there are many threads asking for investment there...and i'm into a few which seems like legit opportunities , and i don't find anything "illogical".
You're investing money… on threads in BHW and WaFo. If that is what you constitute being an investor…. Good luck brother. It's pretty clear by your statements you don't actually know any US investment laws.


Quote:
Originally Posted by shounid View Post
You will not continue on this because now you don't have anything to answer this... Because there is nothing wrong in being an investor from bhw or wafo..and you have to explain me the BS in that statement...if you can't continue ...fuck off nobody wants your opinion without reasons..
Yeah, let me explain to you what the BS in that statement… you're not an investor. If you go to BHW and WAFO for your investment opportunities… you should probably think about why it is you are on WF now. What investments have you made? How much money have you gotten back? Or are you one of those goes in this thread:

No Work For You.. Invest in already running business + Bonus

And being laughed at in this thread:

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-s...d-scammed.html

And that make you "An Investor". Is that your credentials? You invested in BHW and WAFO, now you're an investor and can blatantly disregards US law? But then again… I'm simple wrong, cause your a BHW investor. Can you please show me? Let's go step by step and ask you to rebut my original statements, where you stated I was ABSOLUTELY wrong:

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
You're not thinking about the legal implications of this. A JV, Joint Venture, is a business agreement between two companies or persons, which requires, if they are smart, contracts, entities to be created, etc. By having this section, you open up WF to the possibility of having someone, even if it's in the rules, cause people break the rules all the time, fucking it up. For example, as soon as you mention a specific investment to a foreign person regarding a USA business, entity, etc. You are breaking the law, IF you don't have a securities licensee involved. Did you know that? In fact, same goes with mentioning a specific investment with both parties being in the US. (If a business attorney can step in here and correct me, please go ahead, but this is rules being handed down from the latest immigration and Investor visa laws). There are tons of laws about this.

There is even a law, to the effect, that you cannot approach an individual about a specific investment, UNLESS you are a securities broker OR a controlling owner or executive of a company. If you are, then obviously lawyers are going to be involved if you are talking about moving or making serious money.
Do you agree or disagree? Please explain. Please tell me why I am wrong about SEC being involved, specifically, since again, you're an accredited investor. Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong, just because?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
If you tell someone you have a business opportunity without realizing the securities laws you are breaking, that's on you. But since you are jumping on WF in their JV section, WF can be subpoena-ed 7 years from now, from some stupid shit you said. I'm getting subpoenas for websites I designed in 2007, so yeah, that record "I have a X business opportunity", gets subpoenaed, and any records they want… again, big fucking headache.
Do you agree or disagree? Please explain. Please show me how me and several people getting subpoenaed for records for shit done 7 years ago, is not a headache. Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong? the subpoenas are imaginary?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
I don't know what the implications of creating a Super PAC are, and the rules, but I guarantee you there are, and inviting political trouble is not good idea. Also if you are thinking of charities, still more legal implications, since you are exchanging serious money, AND has a tax benefit, Which that last part is key. So now you got the IRS involved in case something goes wrong.
Do you agree or disagree about the IRS being involved in formation of charities, and records can be subpoenaed? Do you have any knowledge about the legal concerns of Super PAC? Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong still?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
Same scenario with the subpoenas and I would assume there is also legal problems with this place facilitating that conversation. Since there is a record of it on here, WF would be in a position to hand over the records in case something goes wrong. Also, if you are getting with a programmer/coder and are creating an entity with partnership, lawyers will be involved. If you are hiring them for employment, that's not a JV, there is monster.com for that.
Do you agree or disagree about the statement of subpoenas again? what about the satement of lawyers being involved in the creation of a partnership? And the hiring of employees not being a JV? Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
This is me shooting of the top of my head of all the scenario that can go wrong. A lawyer should really step in here and explain better some of these points.
Do you agree or disagree a lawyer should really step in here and explain?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
You really need to consider the legal ramifications of having a place where people are CONDONED to come together and form legal entities. You don't want that headache nor to be that place when anyone of the hundreds of government agencies from around the world come knocking on that door.

I had an investor portal… actually someone I knew had an investor portal, and their lawyers where being ver specific not to mention direct investments on the website. The scenario was that you had to first qualify the investor as being an investor with money then get a licensed broker involved to mention the entity, even if no actual money is being moved back and forth. It was an international thing, so there was a lot more government entities. Headaches… when you solve one 12 new ones pop up just that day.
Do you agree or disagree about the legal ramifications and having government agencies knocking on the door? What about specifically the direct investments on a website scenario? Have you had to qualify an investor before? Do you know the procedures, you should since you would have to been qualified to be an accredited investor… by SEC standards? Or do you consider investing in "web opportunities" not real business? Or are you investing in bullshit $1000 startup… from BHW and WAFO, and call your self an investor? Since you claim to be a one.
CCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2012, 12:00 PM   #25
CCarter
Final Boss ®
 
CCarter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: @MercenaryCarter
Posts: 4,503
iTrader: 10 / 100%
CCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond reputeCCarter has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
In BST there is buyer and seller, there is moderating, and also control at the payment level. The legal ramification if someone rips off someone for $100 is pretty tiny versus a JV where a big money entity gets screwed and they have a hard-on for this place. The SEC would be scrutinizing all the records, logs, all sorts of shit. You're really not considering the legal ramifications of what a JV section, where legal entities are being created, can do if ONLY ONE thing goes wrong.
Do you agree or disagree that the SEC would be scrutinizing the records? Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCarter View Post
If you owned this place, would you want to deal with any of the headaches I mentioned? Seems counter-productive to really making money. I don't own this place, nor speak for WF's owners, I'm just pointing out the massive problems I can spot with this idea in 10 minutes. It sounds like a good idea from one perspective, and it's pretty popular, but from a legal point… a nightmare in the making.
Do you agree or disagree that dealing with subpoenas would be a headache, and counter productive? Or am I ABSOLUTELY wrong still?

Please, explain to me how I am wrong. If you completely ignore my statement for a second time, I'll take that as an admission, that you can't rebut my statement, and aren't really an accredited investor, "you're a BHW and WaFo investor".
CCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2013, 08:18 AM   #26
IMerr
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Eric Marketing Firm , Support : +40312263387
Posts: 83
iTrader: 6 / 100%
IMerr has a spectacular aura about
I would appreciate this idea .
IMerr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2013, 02:59 AM   #27
showerfull
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 103
iTrader: 5 / 100%
showerfull has a spectacular aura about
That would be a good idea...tbh
showerfull is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Seo'd Websites Traffic Joint Venture internetmktr1 Affiliate Marketing 11 12-11-2013 03:03 PM
Looking For Joint Venture Opportunities tencentpiece Shooting The Shit 7 01-29-2012 12:47 AM
A joint venture lies within! Hyphen Design, Development & Programming 0 09-16-2011 02:18 AM
Possible Joint Venture stussy5555 Shooting The Shit 8 12-13-2009 03:15 AM
Seeking PHP Programmer - Joint Venture millen Design, Development & Programming 6 07-15-2008 08:36 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.2.9 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
WickedFire.com Copyright © 2016 - WickedFire is an international registered Trademark of Coastal Synergy LLC. You may not use any of our trademarks, copyrights, content, or images without a written approval by members of Coastal Synergy LLC. "Banners on this site that promote Wickedfire are satire unless clearly stamped as REAL".
Switch to Mobile Layout