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Old 06-25-2006, 01:53 AM   #1
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Content generation

I've looked into some of the various NLP (natural language processing) stuff floating around the net and have seen some decent stuff but its usually not to the caliber of creating any thing that a human wouldn't be able to distinguish as computer generated.

Anybody doing fun stuff with markov chains, POS taggers, wordnet, and the like? Any successes?

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Old 06-25-2006, 02:10 AM   #2
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I find whitehat much easier than any of that junk.
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Articlebot can work well but it's too expensive.
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Most content generators make bearly readable content for the visitors, so it's fair pointless. Best way is to simple find an article, and rewrite it yourself - if you are a fast typer you could probly do a 500 word article in 20 mins.
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I understand your stance donn, but its mostly a fun challenge I like entertaining. My take is that just about anything is possible, and if someone could create something that can truly autonomously rewrite content it would be a gold mine for that person. Never hurts to go after some "impossible" tasks just to see what you can do.
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I understand your stance donn, but its mostly a fun challenge I like entertaining. My take is that just about anything is possible, and if someone could create something that can truly autonomously rewrite content it would be a gold mine for that person. Never hurts to go after some "impossible" tasks just to see what you can do.
it's definitely possible, but the greater rewards come from articles that are relevant to users, and actually help people, not just rank well in search engines
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:21 AM   #7
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I agree, Mr. B. Impossible to me though. I do alright with my limited technical knowledge. All the reusers of the current crappy products are setting themselves up for failure. After I get my degree in CS I would even think of working with a linguist to attempt to do it. In short, I didn't mean "junk" in a pejorative way.
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donn -- agreed, I'm not talking about regurgitating the current crappy public offerings.

dave -- a rewrite of relevant info would still be relevant, right
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The question of plagiarism becomes moot if the page is completely dissimilar from all of its parts, right?
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donn -- agreed, I'm not talking about regurgitating the current crappy public offerings.

dave -- a rewrite of relevant info would still be relevant, right
the only thing content generators do is synonymise words, so the SE's think they're relevant, but very confusin if ur a normal person.
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That wouldn't be true if you could design a better system though, dave.
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That wouldn't be true if you could design a better system though, dave.
Well, doing it manually will always be the best way
No doubt about that.
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The idea sounds good as a money making scheme, but I've always stopped myself from researching deeper into that sort of things, 'cause I really hope I won't have to resort to filling the net with garbage in order to make a living from my online ventures...
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Content creation, generation and manipulation is something that fascinates me!

Internet marketing is surely a numbers game: more sites and more content generally means more clicks and/or sales.

But, creating a lot content is hard work. Imagine creating 150 articles for a new site? Pheww! This is why numerous content generators are hitting the market; to simplify and accelerate the process of content production. Currently, without considerable effort, the output of most content-generators is poor quality. However, with significant effort, you can generate reasonable quality articles quicker than manually writing them and much cheaper than outsourcing.

But it all depends on your goals and tactics. For instance, if you’re cloaking a site it’s unlikely you’ll be too bothered about quality but more concerned with avoiding duplicate content penalties.

Here’s one approach I use:

1. First create a nice looking site – more of a polished ‘mom-and-pop’ look than commercial!
2. Add about 20 - 50 quality articles.
3. Get backlinks via press releases, article marketing, directory submissions, link begging, intelligent comment spamming, etc
4. Add computer-generated content (several hundred pages).
5. Finally, effectively integrate contextual ads and affiliate links.
6. Replicate!

I consider the above a gray-hat strategy! Now, if you want an ‘unethical’ blackhat strategy, just ask...
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I think Brad hit the nail on the head - there are definately some tools out there that can give you some generated content, but it still takes work to review the output to make it readable. Is it cheaper in terms of time/money than having outsourcing the article writing? Depends I suppose on the volume you're dealing with.

If you're just doing it to add content and filler, that's another story though

I can also claim to have some interest in the process of the generation though. I did a bit of work with AI in undergrad, as well as a few algorithms for text parsing and the like, and its definately an interesting field. Not for the faint of heart though. But absolutly something I would be interested in if I had the free time.
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What exactly is a 'content generator' ?
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Sometimes I think it's good to know where the boundarys are. I don't think crappy content is a good idea but I like the idea of pushing the envelope a little to see how far you can go.
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What exactly is a 'content generator' ?
It's one of the programs discussed above, basically it generates an article of some sort based on keywords etc.. However the articles are usually unreadable to humans but are there to rank well in search engines. TBH I don't like the idea myself.
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Most content generators make bearly readable content for the visitors, so it's fair pointless. Best way is to simple find an article, and rewrite it yourself - if you are a fast typer you could probly do a 500 word article in 20 mins.
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I can't turn out a decent rewrite in that short amount of time. I strive to make the article unrecognizeable from the original and I just couldn't manage that in 20 mins. I also find that I need to seek out additional sources as one article just isn't enough to create an original piece.

How unique is your article from the original? Do you just replace words with other similar words and phrases or do you create a unique piece of writing?
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