What is stable in IM?

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schockergd

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As some of you older posters know, back in the day I made a good bit of coin off of google money rebills (Around $150k to be exact).

As fun as that was, the money stopped pretty abruptly and I never was able to get the campaigns running again like they were. (This was '09).

'10 came and went without me really finding any niche(s) to get into or really draw in a income till the last part when I developed a new plan to make some money. So far this year I've been doing better with my sites and bringing at least a moderate income (compared to rebills) in. However I realize this time around that things seem not to last very well in the online market. So my concern has been from day #1 of this new venture to try and make as much cash as I can, put it back and save it for diversification.

So, my question is this : What is perceived to be the more stable types of income online?

I love SEO and consider myself to be somewhat decent at it , however most people would agree that you're at the whim of Google to decide what they want to do with you. I've really been considering adsense niche sites since risk would be spread over hundreds if not thousands of sites....but it relies on adsense and SEO traffic via google, both of which could be turned off like a switch (And many of you have had bans dealing with your networks). I could easily get a network of 100 or so niche sites off the ground in a month , SEO them out, and like, but my question is , would it really be stable? Sure, adsense niche sites have worked for a good while, but it seems to be a really inflated market, and every newbie on here seems to be salivating over the idea of sites that make a dollar a day. Do most of you think & agree that adsense style niche sites will be around in a year, or four?

I've also considered CJ , Amazon and other niche sites, but I can't outsource and automate the niche research like I can with adsense.

I could try and build a 'big' site on some niche, SEO the heck out of it , but then I'm stuck in one vertical with 2-3 months spent on just one thing. By this thing I'm meaning starting a site/community complete with wikis, forums ,ect around a topic that I feel is under-promoted or similar.

PPC and other non SEO things are sort of off the table at the moment, I've got a little money in the back but not enough to try and play that game again, especially considering the amount of time & money I've spent on failures.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 


schockergd said:
I could try and build a 'big' site on some niche, SEO the heck out of it , but then I'm stuck in one vertical with 2-3 months spent on just one thing.
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Why is this a bad thing? A.D.D.? Maybe from an affiliates standpoint it's hard to stay interested or committed to a campaign when you don't see money flipping from your efforts but 2-3 months on a project to get it big is rather fast if you ask me. Though I'm an advertiser - sometimes I have to work a site to death for 3-4 months in testing alone before letting affiliates touch it, even then it can take 6 months to make an offer stick/get traction etc.

If you have this much experience already, why not build your own product/service to monetize and recruit yourself?
 
I guess it would be finding competent people to handle the daily activities.

I've built several products , but for one reason or another I just can't get traction on them, my last one was a conversion for a car that increases MPGs by 300% (Ebook on the process).
 
Well if you want stability you need to concentrate on things you can control. Maybe you make adsense sites (which is something you cant control) but also use those sites as a funnel to build niche oriented email lists (data that you can use over and over again) that you can send CPA offers to. Just an idea...
 
The most stable thing in IM is instability.

That aside, most of the people I know and myself do best when they focus on one vertical/niche/market/process instead of mixing it up too much.
ie dating, biz op etc..

People today are still crushing it with dating, lead gen, apps, on and on. Hardly any try to do it all- they dominate ONE.
 
You gotta own something. An offer, a network, a product, etc...
Otherwise you are at the whim of who knows what.

I have adsense sites that get deindexed for who knows fucking what and the money is gone.

I run traffic to networks and sometimes those offers end and the money is gone.

I dabble in email and sometimes my ips get blacklisted and the money is gone.

The most stable entities in my online portfolio are the sites that I own and I charge people to be a part of. As long as I deliver on my end, I (or the independent contractors that hawk my directories/services) can sit down and cold call until the sun comes up and I will make money that day.
 
dude... did you ever realize that what you did was just copy other people in 09 and run scams?

150k is not a lot either during those days... if that was in one month i'd say it was good

i'd say get a day job
 
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jsphfcll said:
dude... did you ever realize that what you did was just copy other people in 09 and run scams?

150k is not a lot either during those days... if that was in one month i'd say it was good

i'd say get a day job
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It's not what you want to hear, but this is pretty spot on.
 
one thing that i find is stable without completely outing myself is....

people with money who don't know shit about the internet.
 
jsphfcll said:
dude... did you ever realize that what you did was just copy other people in 09 and run scams?

150k is not a lot either during those days... if that was in one month i'd say it was good

i'd say get a day job
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+2 to this. Even as someone on the sidelines (i.e. never banked hard) it's hard to describe 150k as "a good bit of coin".

I say instead of looking for stability in IM, bank a few million and find stable places to invest in.
 
Push CPS, i.e. per sale. This forum is all about CPA, there is a world outside of it. There is traffic untouched by CPA's in it and good EPC's
 
You should get in the mindset of trying to start and run a business rather than bouncing from project to project and idea to idea. You need to come up with something that you could see yourself pursuing 12+ months from now (and that will be viable 12+ months from now). 100+ adsense micro niche sites is not a business, it's a source of income that can get crushed in a variety of ways at any given time.

As others have said, own the idea. Reduce your dependencies on networks/traffic sources/etc as much as possible. Make your ideas sustainable in case of catastrophe.
 
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