Arbi - what's good or bad about these approaches?

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Hi,

This is my first post :)

I got into arbitrage about a week ago. I've read lots of stuff, some of it conflicting. So I figured the best thing to do is to find some niches and have at it.

Here are 2 experiments I'm running. I have lots of question, so I guess I'll start here. Can you help me understand which of these approaches is right and why?

Experiment #1 -- I chose a keyword where:

- AdWords CPC is $3.08-$3.85
- 7 AdWords campaigns with no clicks
- 0 searches--Wasn't too worried about no searches because I was going to drive traffic to it with AdWords?
- 2 results--Thought it was good since there wouldn't be much competition for the page I make when it gets indexed?
- Subkeywords for adwords use have cpcs of $.00-$.10
- Bids are set at $.05
- 249 impressions today

Experiment #2 -- I chose a keyword where:

- AdWords CPC is $5.89-$7.36
- 6 AdWords campaigns with 2-3 clicks
- 108,750 searches
- < 5000 results
- KEI > 2,000,000
- subkeywords for adwords use have cpcs from several $ to $23!
- Bids are set at $.05
- 4 impressions today

What drives the impressions--is it picking keywords and subkeywords with lots of results?
 


My head hurts trying to understand your post. Arbitrage is about volume, more is better. Don't get too hung up on AdWords CPC trying to pick your niche. You don't care about KEI etc. That's for organic searches.

Just as a guideline I look for broad niches that have more than 1000 searches a day. You can optimize your landing page for the higher paying ads in that niche.
 
I'm thinking about shifting my arbi approach. Before I thought it was good to have thousands and thousands of keywords. Next campaign I do I'm going to research my keywords and find more targetted "buying" type keywords where the users that actually get to my arbi pages are really looking at buying or finding my offers that I promote.

I guess I would rather have less traffic that converts better than a bunch of costly crap traffic.
 
Hint: Use the content network and build lots of pages.

Find a free night and read all the arbi threads already here.
 
wrstroud said:
I'm thinking about shifting my arbi approach. Before I thought it was good to have thousands and thousands of keywords. Next campaign I do I'm going to research my keywords and find more targetted "buying" type keywords where the users that actually get to my arbi pages are really looking at buying or finding my offers that I promote.

I guess I would rather have less traffic that converts better than a bunch of costly crap traffic.
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This is arbitrage man. Screw quality keywords, instead work on designing a page that will have visitors clicking through your ads faster.
 
dude seriously use something like bidverister, they are way cheaper for traffic and delivers traffic. I have started using them in past few days and they do the job. They give you traffic for mass traffic generation. I use all the sites on their database. Currently I am getting about 30 hits from $2.00 and on top of that they offer you free $20 credit if you signup. Try it.
 
Onedollaridea said:
dude seriously use something like bidverister, they are way cheaper for traffic and delivers traffic. I have started using them in past few days and they do the job. They give you traffic for mass traffic generation. I use all the sites on their database. Currently I am getting about 30 hits from $2.00 and on top of that they offer you free $20 credit if you signup. Try it.
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What's the quality of traffic? I get traffic cheaper from Google.
 
pfgannon said:
This is arbitrage man. Screw quality keywords, instead work on designing a page that will have visitors clicking through your ads faster.
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I'm not so sure about that anymore. In fact I am questioning all the old standard ideas about arbi like:
-massive keyword lists
-crappy ugly pages to get user to click immediately
-totally useless content with just the right amount of keyword stuffing to pull the right ads
-no link leaks

I'm experimenting and testing more relevant arbi pages and mini sites that break all these rules but trying to do it in an automated way.

Some of my best campaigns only have 3 keywords on a decent looking page with unique content and subtle but not hidden links.

If anyone else is thinking or experimenting along the same lines PM me or post here.

Of course this being WF I could also get flamed for this post. Haha!
 
I'm doing the same.

I've turned my Arbi pages in to mini sites with fairly good content, good to look at (for Arbi pages), 3 to 5 keyword list, links out to home page, about us, search, terms etc.

The results have been good, some of my pages are turning over $1200 in profit per month.
 
Thanks for the confirmation BowlofBananas. I'm not anywhere near that successful but it seems our results come to a similar conclusion. The old methods no longer work as well as they once did. They were fine for arbi 1.0 type pages but Google is smarter than that.

My next step is trying to automate it so quality minisites can be generated quickly the same way that crappy old arbi pages used to be built but much better content quality.

Are you doing the same?
 
I do mine all by hand, I can't make scripts at all so I've had no other choice, but it's not too bad now that I've a routine for building them. Since they all look the same, it's only a case of slotting in the parts as required.
 
hey guys I have a mini abri website. It has about 10 articles, about us, disclaimer, contact us etc. I have just put it up last night so waiting for the results lol. I have linked all pages to each other. the other thing is I have always used between 2-5 keywords for affiliation marketing and abri. The more specific you are the better results you get. It called "laser driven marketing" .
 
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Onedollaridea said:
dude seriously use something like bidverister, they are way cheaper for traffic and delivers traffic. I have started using them in past few days and they do the job. They give you traffic for mass traffic generation. I use all the sites on their database. Currently I am getting about 30 hits from $2.00 and on top of that they offer you free $20 credit if you signup. Try it.
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Just wondering how much you make daily to tell someone not to use adwords?
 
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